Solution to VAR

[Bristol Red Rover]

Given there are cameras, I think a review of decisions should be done but only when it's blatently been a wrong call, like the ball going thrugh the side netting into the goal, and the goal line technology. The hairs breadth offsides, the slight touch on the arm etc have taken the game somewhere else, I don't like it.

With offsides anyway, the rule a while back of there needing to be daylight between the players made far more sense. Offside is an important rule but not at a microscopic level.

A slight aside about offside - I was listening to something about rules in days gone by when the ball could only be passed back and sideways, never forwards. It seems the offside rule is connected with that, allowing the ball to be played forwards and so opening up play, but still having some sense of the limit of the forward line. Like rugger.

[RoversAlias]

The "imperfections are part of football" argument doesn't wash for me. Nobody is saying that when Rovers get shafted by an incorrect call that costs us a win. That's what VAR is for. Making sure errors are not allowed to stand.

A clear line needs drawing in terms of the rules - the marginal offsides and handball where it grazes an elbow - but fixing costly errors is important.

If not for VAR, Man City would have unfairly advanced to the Champions League Quarter Finals last season due to an offside goal. Instead, Spurs got through and ended up in their first ever European Cup Final. Things like that justify VAR and one day it may help Rovers overcome potential injustice on the field in the same way.

[GazLaz]

Maybe it's how I'm wired up Gaz. I don't see the point in celebrating a goal if there's a strong chance it's going to be reviewed. And celebrations on seeing a video screen telling you you have scored, or the opposition hasn't scored are inevitably less visceral than an immediate reaction at the moment the action happens.

What percentage of goals are ruled out due to the VAR? I’m sure the percentage is that small that it shouldn’t affect your behavioural patterns.

[niteowler]

Well said Pilskin, spot on

[mjg]

Let’s celebrate it’s a goal , o wait it might not be , the moment has gone , the true enjoyment of football is human error, VAR is totally spoiling football and yes if it comes in our league I will NOT go again . I no longer watch match of the day, champions league or any England game, with this game spoiling system in place

[IDM]

So you may risk missing 90 mins of great entertainment because there was potential for your enjoyment to be ruined by one or two VAR decisions.?

Yesterday there would have been the Peterborough offside goal and the Gomes penalty/dive incident..

Both of which were very late in the game after a cracking Rovers performance.  You wouldn’t want to watch the game on principle.?

Sorry but there’s more important things to get wound up about..

[mjg]

I don’t care , one VAR decision is one to many , it goes both ways , i don’t want it to disallow a goal for my team or the other team , it spoils the game , and if it takes me giving up the sport I love and the team I love I will

[IDM]

Did you give up on your club when the rule on the back pass changed, when more subs were allowed, when denying obvious goal scoring opportunities had to be red cards.?!

I understand the arguments against VAR and there are elements I’m not that keen on, but to stop going to watch the club you support because of VAR is beyond belief..

Sure if we are ever in that situation and our games are often and repeatedly spoiled by VAR then yes, your point is more understandable but otherwise your point is very strange..

[mjg]

The linesman yes linesman not referees assistant hasn’t got many jobs to do , it’s his job to spot offside and if he misses it TOUGH human error is what makes the game that much better than the rest

[mjg]

But var will spoil it every game , remember this discussion with me and in the future I won’t tell you I told you so

[drfchound]

But var will spoil it every game , remember this discussion with me and in the future I won’t tell you I told you so

Of course you won’t because you won’t have been at the game.

[IDM]

The linesman yes linesman not referees assistant hasn’t got many jobs to do , it’s his job to spot offside and if he misses it TOUGH human error is what makes the game that much better than the rest

Offside is one of the VAR issues I have problems with.  Fair enough for clear and obvious errors, but a couple of cm over a few millisecond, as BST alluded to, should be left to the officials much like “umpires call” in cricket.

However an obvious mistake beyond that, should be corrected.  What would you have said if Charlton’s last goal in the play off semi final had been a good half yard offside.??

[since-1969]

I don’t care , one VAR decision is one to many , it goes both ways , i don’t want it to disallow a goal for my team or the other team , it spoils the game , and if it takes me giving up the sport I love and the team I love I will

VAR is here to stay only it’s implementation that  is in question . I say make it time limited to seconds not minutes . So the decision that are made can respect that it’s not in the best of any match to be brought into distribute by allowing referees to walk away from their part in the initial decision or over turning a goal or offside that was made . It should not come down to millimetres but what can reasonably be seen by the naked eye not a computer algorithm.

[mjg]

The excitement of football is the split second as the ball goes in the goal , if you have to wait to see if it is a goal the excitement as gone , meaning the enjoyment has gone , it will be every time the ball goes in the net because the defender is going to tell the referee to have a look . What a bloody farce

[drfchound]

The excitement of football is the split second as the ball goes in the goal , if you have to wait to see if it is a goal the excitement as gone , meaning the enjoyment has gone , it will be every time the ball goes in the net because the defender is going to tell the referee to have a look . What a bloody farce

I don’t think that anyone is disputing that.

[mjg]

GOODBYE football (ROVERS) it was nice knowing you

[IDM]

You’re going already.??

When did VAR start in league 1.?  I missed that one..

Neither of our goals yesterday would have warranted a VAR review..

You’re over reacting now.

[mjg]

When it does , don’t be sarky 🤓

[IDM]

[RedJ]

You are aware this is one of Mad Mick's monikers (regardless of how much he denies it it's f**king obvious when you remember one of his other accounts was mjgreg).

[RoversAlias]

This was a good discussion until the idiocy took over.

[IDM]

Here’s an idea for offside VAR.

If there’s a move where the linesman thinks an offside is close or marginal - don’t flag - like in the last World Cup.  However, if a goal is scored then the linesman should flag immediately and VAR can check.  In that way, it’s the same as a disallowed goal which may then be given on review.  That’s barely different to a referee over ruling citing non interference with play.

Here’s the difference though. If the linesman doesnt flag, then there is no VAR and no offside, even if he/she was mistaken.  Therefore with this idea, a goal previously given couldn’t be cancelled by VAR offside..

If it was an offside clearly, the linesman flags anyway.

With handball, VAR isn’t the issue, it’s the handball law where problems lie.

VAR can then only be used for obvious red card mistakes, and goal line technology..

Anything else, no VAR, tough.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I see VAR has gone well again today in the PL...

[IDM]

I see VAR has gone well again today in the PL...

What do you think to my thoughts on offside VAR BST.?  No flag = no review..

[Alan Southstand]

If we had VAR at our level, we’d be stopping the game endlessly, due to the incompetence of some/most of the officials that I’ve seen!

[Campsall rover]

Bin it as it causes more problems than it cures.
It’s not even getting used when it should be at times and it’s got to a point now where it’s destroying the entertainment.
Can’t see it ever being something that will enhance the game.

Said all along we only need goal line technology which should now be a priority in all four leagues and probably the 3 National leagues also.

[Campsall rover]

If we had VAR at our level, we’d be stopping the game endlessly, due to the incompetence of some/most of the officials that I’ve seen!

It would be a disaster and gates would shrink by at least 30/40% in a matter of months imo.

[Bristol Red Rover]

Here’s an idea for offside VAR.

If there’s a move where the linesman thinks an offside is close or marginal - don’t flag - like in the last World Cup.  However, if a goal is scored then the linesman should flag immediately and VAR can check.  In that way, it’s the same as a disallowed goal which may then be given on review.  That’s barely different to a referee over ruling citing non interference with play.

Here’s the difference though. If the linesman doesnt flag, then there is no VAR and no offside, even if he/she was mistaken.  Therefore with this idea, a goal previously given couldn’t be cancelled by VAR offside..

If it was an offside clearly, the linesman flags anyway.

With handball, VAR isn’t the issue, it’s the handball law where problems lie.

VAR can then only be used for obvious red card mistakes, and goal line technology..

Anything else, no VAR, tough.

In general that makes sense to me. The problem is that VAR HQ will naturally be pushing for more influence in the game, and with TV interest in such things, they'll get it. There could be several VAR "refs" on a game, constantly checking every detail with the options to roll the game back, or pause it.

Decisions will get quicker, but there'll be more of them.

Then what next in the tech revoluton?