Exit Poll

[Campsall rover]

If that exit poll is correct then i under estimated by a very long way the majority the Conservatives would get.
I said 15/25 overall majority yesterday. An 86 majority would be massive.

It shows that the Brexit issue has dominated and more than 52% obviously want Brexit to happen now.
If that isn’t the case then Corbyn is even more unpopular than even i
thought he was.
IMO it’s a bit of both of the above that has lost Labour this election.

What people have been telling me and these are traditional Labour voters, is he is the worst Labour leader since Michael Foot.

Corbyn is simply not electable. The British public are not stupid.

[DonnyOsmond]

If that exit poll is correct then i under estimated by a very long way the majority the Conservatives would get.
I said 15/25 overall majority yesterday. An 86 majority would be massive.

It shows that the Brexit issue has dominated and more than 52% obviously want Brexit to happen.
If that isn’t the case then Corbyn is even more unpopular than even i
thought he was.
IMO it’s a bit of both of the above that has lost Labour this election.

What people have been telling me and these are traditional Labour voters, is he is the worst Labour leader since Michael Foot.

Corbyn is simply not electable. The British public are not stupid.

The British public are easily swayed by right wing media smears.

Corbyn hasn't done or said anything as bad as Boris has but one of them is going to end up the PM, despite having at some point insulted 90% of the population.

[Ldr]

Thoughts?

https://twitter.com/CarolineFlintMP/status/1205258899416334336?s=19

[drfchound]

If that exit poll is correct then i under estimated by a very long way the majority the Conservatives would get.
I said 15/25 overall majority yesterday. An 86 majority would be massive.

It shows that the Brexit issue has dominated and more than 52% obviously want Brexit to happen.
If that isn’t the case then Corbyn is even more unpopular than even i
thought he was.
IMO it’s a bit of both of the above that has lost Labour this election.

What people have been telling me and these are traditional Labour voters, is he is the worst Labour leader since Michael Foot.

Corbyn is simply not electable. The British public are not stupid.

The British public are easily swayed by right wing media smears.

Corbyn hasn't done or said anything as bad as Boris has but one of them is going to end up the PM, despite having at some point insulted 90% of the population.

Surely no one can defend Corbyns position in this defeat for Labour.

[Ldr]

If that exit poll is correct then i under estimated by a very long way the majority the Conservatives would get.
I said 15/25 overall majority yesterday. An 86 majority would be massive.

It shows that the Brexit issue has dominated and more than 52% obviously want Brexit to happen.
If that isn’t the case then Corbyn is even more unpopular than even i
thought he was.
IMO it’s a bit of both of the above that has lost Labour this election.

What people have been telling me and these are traditional Labour voters, is he is the worst Labour leader since Michael Foot.

Corbyn is simply not electable. The British public are not stupid.

The British public are easily swayed by right wing media smears.

Corbyn hasn't done or said anything as bad as Boris has but one of them is going to end up the PM, despite having at some point insulted 90% of the population.

Surely no one can defend Corbyns position in this defeat for Labour.

Only the blinkered Hound

[Campsall rover]

If that exit poll is correct then i under estimated by a very long way the majority the Conservatives would get.
I said 15/25 overall majority yesterday. An 86 majority would be massive.

It shows that the Brexit issue has dominated and more than 52% obviously want Brexit to happen.
If that isn’t the case then Corbyn is even more unpopular than even i
thought he was.
IMO it’s a bit of both of the above that has lost Labour this election.

What people have been telling me and these are traditional Labour voters, is he is the worst Labour leader since Michael Foot.

Corbyn is simply not electable. The British public are not stupid.

The British public are easily swayed by right wing media smears.

Corbyn hasn't done or said anything as bad as Boris has but one of them is going to end up the PM, despite having at some point insulted 90% of the population.

Come on are you seriously blaming the media for this disastrous result for Labour.
Always assuming this exit poll is accurate.

[DonnyOsmond]

If that exit poll is correct then i under estimated by a very long way the majority the Conservatives would get.
I said 15/25 overall majority yesterday. An 86 majority would be massive.

It shows that the Brexit issue has dominated and more than 52% obviously want Brexit to happen.
If that isn’t the case then Corbyn is even more unpopular than even i
thought he was.
IMO it’s a bit of both of the above that has lost Labour this election.

What people have been telling me and these are traditional Labour voters, is he is the worst Labour leader since Michael Foot.

Corbyn is simply not electable. The British public are not stupid.

The British public are easily swayed by right wing media smears.

Corbyn hasn't done or said anything as bad as Boris has but one of them is going to end up the PM, despite having at some point insulted 90% of the population.

Surely no one can defend Corbyns position in this defeat for Labour.

He should go but Boris is worse than Corbyn ever was and people are too blind to see that.

[drfchound]

If that exit poll is correct then i under estimated by a very long way the majority the Conservatives would get.
I said 15/25 overall majority yesterday. An 86 majority would be massive.

It shows that the Brexit issue has dominated and more than 52% obviously want Brexit to happen.
If that isn’t the case then Corbyn is even more unpopular than even i
thought he was.
IMO it’s a bit of both of the above that has lost Labour this election.

What people have been telling me and these are traditional Labour voters, is he is the worst Labour leader since Michael Foot.

Corbyn is simply not electable. The British public are not stupid.

The British public are easily swayed by right wing media smears.

Corbyn hasn't done or said anything as bad as Boris has but one of them is going to end up the PM, despite having at some point insulted 90% of the population.

Surely no one can defend Corbyns position in this defeat for Labour.

He should go but Boris is worse than Corbyn ever was and people are too blind to see that.

Not everyone would agree with that DO.
You can’t assume that so many people are stupid.

[Colemans Left Hook]

that Conservative winner at Blyth  Valley actually has a winning speech written not very long very tempting not to have one written

[SydneyRover]

when you look at how many in the UK read the least trusted newspapers nothings impossible

[Campsall rover]

Looks like Caroline Flint will lose in Don Valley based on Blyth.

When was the last time the Conservatives had one of the 3 Doncaster seats.

Has it ever happened? Genuine question as i don’t know.

[bpoolrover]

But Sydney yes it might influence some people but the majority didn’t have any faith in corbyn or McDonnell or momentum, you need stop blaming others for being tricked and look at the party you vote for

[SydneyRover]

the effects of this election 'win' will continue for some time so you could start a list of all the things promised and tick them off as the weeks and years drag on.

[Ldr]

Looks like Caroline Flint will lose in Don Valley based on Blyth.

When was the last time the Conservatives had one of the 3 Doncaster seats.

Has it ever happened? Genuine question as i don’t know.

Doncaster has been conservative in the past but not in the current constituency make up I believe

[SydneyRover]

Wasn't flint pro-brexit?

[scawsby steve]

Looks like Caroline Flint will lose in Don Valley based on Blyth.

When was the last time the Conservatives had one of the 3 Doncaster seats.

Has it ever happened? Genuine question as i don’t know.

Yes Campsall. Anthony Barber was MP for Doncaster for 13 years, 1951 to 1964. He then lost the seat to Harold Walker.

Barber later went on to be Chancellor of the Exchequer.

[Campsall rover]

Looks like Caroline Flint will lose in Don Valley based on Blyth.

When was the last time the Conservatives had one of the 3 Doncaster seats.

Has it ever happened? Genuine question as i don’t know.

Yes Campsall. Anthony Barber was MP for Doncaster for 13 years, 1951 to 1964. He then lost the seat to Harold Walker.

Barber later went on to be Chancellor of the Exchequer.

Yes of course. Thanks SS  before my time in Doncaster.  I was -4 yrs old to 9 yrs old during that period. Remember Barber though as Chancellor.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Looks like Caroline Flint will lose in Don Valley based on Blyth.

When was the last time the Conservatives had one of the 3 Doncaster seats.

Has it ever happened? Genuine question as i don’t know.

Yes Campsall. Anthony Barber was MP for Doncaster for 13 years, 1951 to 1964. He then lost the seat to Harold Walker.

Barber later went on to be Chancellor of the Exchequer.

He did.

Worst Chancellor since Churchill. He was a catastrophe. Cut interest rates while the economy was booming and that led to the disastrous inflation of the mid-70s (which, ironically, folk blame Labour for because they won the election 9 months after his mistake, and had the worst of the inflation to deal with.)

The Barber Boom is textbook disastrous economic management. Yet folk still think the Tories are economically sensible.

[Campsall rover]

Looks like Caroline Flint will lose in Don Valley based on Blyth.

When was the last time the Conservatives had one of the 3 Doncaster seats.

Has it ever happened? Genuine question as i don’t know.

Yes Campsall. Anthony Barber was MP for Doncaster for 13 years, 1951 to 1964. He then lost the seat to Harold Walker.

Barber later went on to be Chancellor of the Exchequer.

He did.

Worst Chancellor since Churchill. He was a catastrophe. Cut interest rates while the economy was booming and that led to the disastrous inflation of the mid-70s (which, ironically, folk blame Labour for because they won the election 9 months after his mistake, and had the worst of the inflation to deal with.)

The Barber Boom is textbook disastrous economic management. Yet folk still think the Tories are economically sensible.

That was 45 years ago BST.

I am curious as to which economic policies actually work consistently.
I don’t think any do on a consistent basis looking back on the last 46 years which is my adult life.
Both parties have messed up haven’t they. What works, really works.
What i know that doesn’t work is hard left wing policies and hard right wing policies. Anything extreme is economically dangerous.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Campsall.

Sensible Keynesian economics works well. Always has done.

Govt economic policy needs to act in the opposite direction to private industry.

When business is booming, take some of the heat out by increasing taxes and interest rates and reducing Govt spending. Otherwise inflation takes off and there's a crash.

When industry is struggling, Govt needs to reduce taxes and increase spending to keep the economy afloat.

It's really not rocket science. It's a hand on the tiller, keeping the ship from veering off course.

But the 4 biggest Govt economic policy mistakes of the past 50 years have all been Tory Chancellors going against this. That's not partisan. It's just a fact.

Barber in 73 and Lawson in 88 stoking the flames of already strong economies, leading to booms and crashes. Howe in 81 massively raising interest rates and cutting spending in the depths of a recession, causing unemployment to treble and stay high for 20 years. And Osborne's idiotic Austerity, cutting Govt spending as we were shakily getting to our feet after the Global Financial Crash, giving us a decade of depressed growth.

Macroeconomists tear out their hair about those four massive policy mistakes. Yet the Tories retain this reputation for being better on the economy than Labour.