This isn't the Brexit I voted for (part 4)...

[wilts rover]

In the least surprising news to date - official Treasury figures presented in the budget (but curiously not mentioned by the chancellor in his speech) confirm there is not nor ever will be a £350m per week Brexit dividend.

Instead Brexit has (so far) cost every British taxpayer £1200.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/budget-rushi-sunak-treasury-figures-brexit-dividend-a9395476.html

[drfchound]

I can’t believe that anyone actually did believe that it was true.......and then voted to leave off the back of that.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I can’t believe that anyone actually did believe that it was true.......and then voted to leave off the back of that.

Well they did.

7 days before the referendum, there was an opinion poll that found 48% of people thought we paid £350m/week to the EU and that we'd get that back.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nearly-half-of-britons-believe-vote-leaves-false-350-million-a-week-to-the-eu-claim-a7085016.html

And the liars who lyingly lied about that are now running the country and No.10.

[drfchound]

I can’t believe that anyone actually did believe that it was true.......and then voted to leave off the back of that.

Well they did.

7 days before the referendum, there was an opinion poll that found 48% of people thought we paid £350m/week to the EU and that we'd get that back.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nearly-half-of-britons-believe-vote-leaves-false-350-million-a-week-to-the-eu-claim-a7085016.html

And the liars who lyingly lied about that are now running the country and No.10.

BST, for clarity, perhaps I should have written “I am amazed” rather that “I can’t believe” in that post of mine that you quoted.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Hound.

I'd hazard a guess that there's a strong linkage between that 47% and the people who insist that they knew what they were voting for.

[SydneyRover]

With those odds I think it would be fair to say that some on here had believed it and than voted for them, it would be good to hear their side of the story, anyone?

[tyke1962]

Hound.

I'd hazard a guess that there's a strong linkage between that 47% and the people who insist that they knew what they were voting for.

Still singing the same song Billy I see , trash the leave voters .

The elitist voices of the Labour Party , we know what's best for you plebs !!! .

You've had a referendum result go against you and walloped at the last GE ............ and yet ???

Since 1975 there was no vote on our government's outsourcing of their powers to Brussels whilst not giving the electorate so much as a word on the matter .

The electorate hold the power and lend it to our politicians for five years and then we consider their record and decide whether they are worthy of another five years or we give it to someone else .

For 41 years we had our borders , economic policy and laws forced upon us by unelected bureaucrats in Brussels and we didn't get so much as a single vote .

Now many currently inside the Labour Party and their metropolitan members might not care for this country too much , their social fabric and it's sovereignty but clearly the working class in the heartlands do .

You might want to start building some bridges Billy if you want rid of the Tories because for me personally and the exchanges we've had you are alienating the working class even further if you are indeed the classic Labour Party member of today .

You've had a kicking Billy and you still don't know why .

I'll give you a clue ........

You might want to look at yourselves and what you've become around here .

[wilts rover]

Sorry tyke you are wrong about one major point there. Class was not a major defining factor in either the EU referendum or the 2019 GE - it was age.

Your actual people at work voted to remain and voted Labour/Lib Dem/Green. Pensioners voted to leave and Tory*

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2016/06/27/how-britain-voted
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/12/17/how-britain-voted-2019-general-election

I also would like to make it clear I am not 'trashing' anyone by these posts. Good people voted the way they did for their own reasons. All I am doing is highlighting how they were lied to - and how the promises they were made will not be honoured. I look forward to other people posting how the country has benefited now we have left although i do fear I may be waiting sometime. 60 years was it according to the Tree-Frog?

*please don't tell me you did not vote like this - its a generalisation taken from the stats OK!

[Glyn_Wigley]

Hound.

I'd hazard a guess that there's a strong linkage between that 47% and the people who insist that they knew what they were voting for.

Still singing the same song Billy I see , trash the leave voters .

The elitist voices of the Labour Party , we know what's best for you plebs !!! .

You've had a referendum result go against you and walloped at the last GE ............ and yet ???

Since 1975 there was no vote on our government's outsourcing of their powers to Brussels whilst not giving the electorate so much as a word on the matter .

The electorate hold the power and lend it to our politicians for five years and then we consider their record and decide whether they are worthy of another five years or we give it to someone else .

For 41 years we had our borders , economic policy and laws forced upon us by unelected bureaucrats in Brussels and we didn't get so much as a single vote .

Now many currently inside the Labour Party and their metropolitan members might not care for this country too much , their social fabric and it's sovereignty but clearly the working class in the heartlands do .

You might want to start building some bridges Billy if you want rid of the Tories because for me personally and the exchanges we've had you are alienating the working class even further if you are indeed the classic Labour Party member of today .

You've had a kicking Billy and you still don't know why .

I'll give you a clue ........

You might want to look at yourselves and what you've become around here .

How many of the UK's bureaucrats have you been lucky enough to be able to vote for? I've not been able to vote for any at all.

[SydneyRover]

Hound.

I'd hazard a guess that there's a strong linkage between that 47% and the people who insist that they knew what they were voting for.

Still singing the same song Billy I see , trash the leave voters .

The elitist voices of the Labour Party , we know what's best for you plebs !!! .

You've had a referendum result go against you and walloped at the last GE ............ and yet ???

Since 1975 there was no vote on our government's outsourcing of their powers to Brussels whilst not giving the electorate so much as a word on the matter .

The electorate hold the power and lend it to our politicians for five years and then we consider their record and decide whether they are worthy of another five years or we give it to someone else .

For 41 years we had our borders , economic policy and laws forced upon us by unelected bureaucrats in Brussels and we didn't get so much as a single vote .

Now many currently inside the Labour Party and their metropolitan members might not care for this country too much , their social fabric and it's sovereignty but clearly the working class in the heartlands do .

You might want to start building some bridges Billy if you want rid of the Tories because for me personally and the exchanges we've had you are alienating the working class even further if you are indeed the classic Labour Party member of today .

You've had a kicking Billy and you still don't know why .

I'll give you a clue ........

You might want to look at yourselves and what you've become around here .

Tyke you appear to have your own song sheet that ignores the previous 10 years and refuses to accept what you voted for has resulted in the mess the UK is in, with all due respects of course.

[Not Now Kato]

Hound.

I'd hazard a guess that there's a strong linkage between that 47% and the people who insist that they knew what they were voting for.

Still singing the same song Billy I see , trash the leave voters .

The elitist voices of the Labour Party , we know what's best for you plebs !!! .

You've had a referendum result go against you and walloped at the last GE ............ and yet ???

Since 1975 there was no vote on our government's outsourcing of their powers to Brussels whilst not giving the electorate so much as a word on the matter .

The electorate hold the power and lend it to our politicians for five years and then we consider their record and decide whether they are worthy of another five years or we give it to someone else .

For 41 years we had our borders , economic policy and laws forced upon us by unelected bureaucrats in Brussels and we didn't get so much as a single vote .

Now many currently inside the Labour Party and their metropolitan members might not care for this country too much , their social fabric and it's sovereignty but clearly the working class in the heartlands do .

You might want to start building some bridges Billy if you want rid of the Tories because for me personally and the exchanges we've had you are alienating the working class even further if you are indeed the classic Labour Party member of today .

You've had a kicking Billy and you still don't know why .

I'll give you a clue ........

You might want to look at yourselves and what you've become around here .

I see there's still people not only believing the lies of the leave campaigns, they're actually still perpetuating them!
 
No wonder this country is screwed!

[phil old leake]

It was a vote. Some won some lost. We all need to stop bitching and do our best to make it work

[MachoMadness]

Sometimes, pointing out the giant glaring holes in a plan is a way of making it work.

[IDM]

Knowing how it was going to work was/is a fundamental issue which should have been determined before the vote..

[BillyStubbsTears]

It was a vote. Some won some lost. We all need to stop bitching and do our best to make it work

"Bitching".

Let me check the dictionary.

Is that, "Looking at evidence of the effect of the vote as it comes in, comparing it to what folk had predicted what would happen, and asking Leave voters to reflect on whether they might have been led up the garden path, and whether they should ponder that the next time the same people ask them to vote for them?"

That "bitching"? Or do you have a different definition?

[SydneyRover]

Here you can see if what you voted for is up for negotiation:

''Britain will have to guarantee “uniform implementation” of Brussels’s state subsidy rules while the European court of justice will hand down rulings to British courts, under the EU’s vision of the future relationship with the UK.

A 441-page treaty draft, obtained by the Guardian, spells out in full legal text for the first time the demands that Brussels will make of David Frost, the UK’s chief negotiator, in the next round of talks''

''The document stipulates that where there are disputes on state aid rules, the European court of justice in Luxembourg will be the arbiter of EU law and issue binding rulings to the British courts to implement''

''The draft treaty also insists that the UK will have to guarantee “non regression” on EU regulations on labour and social protection despite its withdrawal from the bloc''

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/mar/13/brexit-eu-demands-uk-negotiations-draft-treaty

[Ldr]

Nope, all good

[foxbat]

still a lot of work to prove to people that they were completely conned.
and we understand it's not easy to 'man up' and admit it.

[Not Now Kato]

It was a vote. Some won some lost. We all need to stop bitching and do our best to make it work

It would help if we knew exactly what we were supposed to make work before we could do our best to make it so!
 
Any clues?