Time for the owners and Chairmain

[Copps is Magic]

Baldwin stated what the budget was at the start of the season, the 14th highest in the league. I've posted on here before that (although this amount is pegged to our average att which is around the 14th highest) I thought that was too low. Undoubtedly, it was rectified a little in January and probably didn't finish the 14th highest.

So it wasn't, or shouldn't, have been a surprise to anyone. Especially not Wellens. The fact is, Wellens left us well below 14th and rationalised that budget by spending it on the likes of Barlow and Gardner.

In my opinion, he's been a bit of gobshite since he left, and he should keep his beak out of it.

How did Evatt a big mate of GMC know and say in the press that Gary had to work with limited finances does that make GMC a gob shite as you put it or does the truth really hurt.

Read again. I am stating a fact and an opinion that are not intended to contradict each other. The budget is low this season and I still think Wellens should keep his mouth out of it. Both are true.

Same applies to GM, he does not have a bottom two budget, so perhaps he should stop mouthing off to his 'mates' in football as well.

[Chris Black come back]

I don’t buy into the conspiracy theories about the budget or the post-departure words of past managers, but what really hasn’t helped this tired debate and the overall issue of transparency was the decision seven years ago to stop publishing full accounts for Doncaster Rovers Limited and only abbreviated accounts.

This means that the section on player wage costs is no longer public. The last time this was public was in our accounts for 2014/15 season when our wage cost was £3.7m. Most clubs publish this information and we are now something of an outlier, and helps in itself to generate many of these conspiracy theories.

Reverting to publishing this in the form most clubs do, would be a helpful move all round I think.

[Campsall rover]

Wellens was a disaster.
He had no man management skills. His language on the touch line was appalling.
He was full of himself. Nothing was ever his fault.

He is showing his true self with his comments after he left.

Strange when he was appointed he said the club was well run and was happy with the budget.

Yes got unlucky with the injured 6 but no excuse for not getting the others in the squad 100% match fit.
That was his job. To recruit well, to get them fit & create a proper team spirit in the dressing room.
He did none of those and left GM with the unenviable task of picking up the pieces.

I wanted Wellens. But hindsight eh. He was a disaster. His success at Orient will be temporary.
He is a flawed character imo.

Just my opinion of course. There are some who will think I am talking rubbish.
That’s what this forums for, opinions.

[ravenrover]

Jesus wept. All managers are responsible to work with the budget they have and of course, he and the board will try to stretch that budget as best they can!

However, neither Wellens, GMc or the board could have foreseen that a high proportion of that budget was going to remain unavailable on the treatment table for most of the season!

With those players available more often, it's a different story. Stop looking beyond what is obvious and making things up.

Are we talking at cross purposes here I wonder? I am talking about the budget for new players. Players that are already contracted hardly come into that equation hence his comments about trying to free up more funds to spend by getti g players off the payroll. Hardly making things up

There's only one budget. New and existing players are paid out of the same pot.

I agree but RW or any other manager has no control over contracted player salaries hence why I am saying the budget available to him or any other manager for new additions

[silent majority]

Jesus wept. All managers are responsible to work with the budget they have and of course, he and the board will try to stretch that budget as best they can!

However, neither Wellens, GMc or the board could have foreseen that a high proportion of that budget was going to remain unavailable on the treatment table for most of the season!

With those players available more often, it's a different story. Stop looking beyond what is obvious and making things up.

That’s why Richie wasn’t a hypocrite Martin,he believed and was told players would be available to him for preseason and they were not. He was also told to acquire more players he would have to let go of other players and he couldn’t they wouldn’t go. So he found out what he thought was enough to get the players he wanted was not enough. It also shown as the seasons progressed we couldn’t get the quality league one players we needed with the money that was available. Even GMC who was given extra in the January transfer window had to spread it about and none of them have proved to be good League one standard. He also jumped for Agard we couldn’t turn that one away but never played him and he’s injured now so was GMC an hypocrite for saying that.

You really need to read what I wrote. No matter how you want to look at it, he did say he was happy with the budget, and now he says he wasn't. Muddying the waters by throwing in other detail doesn't affect that.

[DonnyOsmond]

I don’t buy into the conspiracy theories about the budget or the post-departure words of past managers, but what really hasn’t helped this tired debate and the overall issue of transparency was the decision seven years ago to stop publishing full accounts for Doncaster Rovers Limited and only abbreviated accounts.

This means that the section on player wage costs is no longer public. The last time this was public was in our accounts for 2014/15 season when our wage cost was £3.7m. Most clubs publish this information and we are now something of an outlier, and helps in itself to generate many of these conspiracy theories.

Reverting to publishing this in the form most clubs do, would be a helpful move all round I think.

Can probs tell if Dickov was bullshitting from that then. I doubt it'll go down the following season when the players that left were Bennett, McCombe, Wabara, Furman, Theo Robinson and Bywater replaced with Andy Williams, Stuckmann, Chaplow, N'Guessan, ATS and MacKenzie.

[Sammy Chung was King]

If you believe that we had a top ten budget this season , you’ve been lying to yourself. No way any of the managers this have had good funding.
Paul Dickov had decent funding. Yes it wasn’t as high as other championship clubs, but he was allowed to sign Tamas, Meite etc on top of his budget.

The others the funding has got less and less as the years have gone on. We are led to believe club Doncaster is a success. But the funding is reducing.

[drfchound]

I think that the club line was that we had the 14th biggest budget in the division, not a top ten one.

[Campsall rover]

If you believe that we had a top ten budget this season , you’ve been lying to yourself. No way any of the managers this have had good funding.
Paul Dickov had decent funding. Yes it wasn’t as high as other championship clubs, but he was allowed to sign Tamas, Meite etc on top of his budget.

The others the funding has got less and less as the years have gone on. We are led to believe club Doncaster is a success. But the funding is reducing.

SCK of course the funding has reduced in the last 2 years. We have had a Covid pandemic.
The gates were closed at the ground. The revenue the club had from gate receipts zero, commercial income massively reduced, club Doncaster income massively reduced.
If the club had not reduced the budget then we would in all probability be in administration now.

There are going to be many clubs in financial difficulty over the next couple of years because the are over borrowed and in considerable debt. DRFC are not going to be one of those clubs.

I think an awful lot of people have forgotten about the pandemic already and the financial consequences that it caused.
Fortunately we have a board who are caring for the future of our beloved football club.
The downside is the reduced budget and the wrong choice of manager to manage that budget has ended in relegation to league 2.
This will be a temporary. The budget will be increased next season because the club finances will allow that to be a prudent decision.

Give the board credit when credit is due. Their sole purpose over the last 2 years has been to make sure we will have a football club that is financially viable and will be here in 5 yrs 10 yrs 20 yrs time.

We can now build again from a stable position even though it is from a league lower than we would all wish to be in.

Get the recruitment right this summer we will be in league 1 again in 2023/24

[DonnyBazR0ver]

I don’t buy into the conspiracy theories about the budget or the post-departure words of past managers, but what really hasn’t helped this tired debate and the overall issue of transparency was the decision seven years ago to stop publishing full accounts for Doncaster Rovers Limited and only abbreviated accounts.

This means that the section on player wage costs is no longer public. The last time this was public was in our accounts for 2014/15 season when our wage cost was £3.7m. Most clubs publish this information and we are now something of an outlier, and helps in itself to generate many of these conspiracy theories.

Reverting to publishing this in the form most clubs do, would be a helpful move all round I think.

The debate will rage on, just as it did in JR'S days too, as accounts only come afterwards, so the budget for upcoming or current seasons will always remain subject to speculation, unless the board want to tell every other club/agent/player how much they have to spend.

Then of course, how the budget is spent will always be debated without ever knowing details of player wages, fees, loan fees, transfer fees etc.

So again, folk will just go round in circles and get nowhere.

In some eyes, because they perceive TB to have lots of ready cash, it'll never be enough.

[roversdude]

Correct DBR I’ve read some of the numpty comments on FB really slagging him and then the next breath stating he should put more money into the team. There was one comment that even blamed him for the demise of the town

[Donny Exile in York]

I don’t buy into the conspiracy theories about the budget or the post-departure words of past managers, but what really hasn’t helped this tired debate and the overall issue of transparency was the decision seven years ago to stop publishing full accounts for Doncaster Rovers Limited and only abbreviated accounts.

This means that the section on player wage costs is no longer public. The last time this was public was in our accounts for 2014/15 season when our wage cost was £3.7m. Most clubs publish this information and we are now something of an outlier, and helps in itself to generate many of these conspiracy theories.

Reverting to publishing this in the form most clubs do, would be a helpful move all round I think.

Can probs tell if Dickov was bullshitting from that then. I doubt it'll go down the following season when the players that left were Bennett, McCombe, Wabara, Furman, Theo Robinson and Bywater replaced with Andy Williams, Stuckmann, Chaplow, N'Guessan, ATS and MacKenzie.

How on earth can you summise that Dickov was probably bullshitting from the lack of transparency arising then. I find it interesting that the lack of transparency commenced post Ryan leaving and Blunt becoming Chairman!