Revolution

[Sammy Chung was King]

The data analyst’s must be good at their jobs, ours obviously haven’t been to bring up so many dud signings.
Supporters rep’s seem to love having the inside info and not being able to share it. But when questioned on what they do, do, they don’t like it.

I don’t see any representation of our fans coming from those who have been in the job.
Devaluing fellow supporters opinions as though they are better than others. A reality check is needed. Remember what you are there for and it’s not yourself.

[since-1969]

I think things like this need to be put to the club. It has been clear for a while that we are lagging far behind on the data/analytics front which is starting to take over the sport. Appointments like Graham Younger proved that we aren't where we need to be.

Does SM or anyone know if there is any scope to get this point made to Baldwin or Blunt?

I'd just like to add that both Gaz and myself met up with Gavin some months ago and explored lots of these topics and subject areas. So, its fair to say that Gavin has been looking at changing the structure and the mode of thinking around the club.

I'm sure more of that will become apparent once changes have been implemented.

Gavin was very confident in Wellens and the signings made yet it didn’t take long before he was denying a relegation threat . So when it began to turn sour he then gave the same support of confidence to McSheffrey, Gavin to be sure didn’t fully for see how the season would end but results don’t lie Particularly after so many players being brought in .
The common denominator is that Gavin Baldwin was assured that both managers knew their own minds and that their player choices were sound . So what actually happened? Who’s judgment was a fault and how will this be rectified next season . With another exodus players about to be confirmed , who’s judgment will  be relying on and is next seat going to be another consolation one !!!

[selby]

  Seems to me that as long as everyone has some individual to blame and they go everything will be ok.
   The main contributors to our demise are the players themselves, not many can be proud of their efforts for the last eighteen months for whatever reason, Smith, Olowu, and Rowe about the only ones who have looked interested in performing and looking like they care, add Bostock to them when he plays.
  We have as a whole club at first team level been poor for eighteen months, and three managers and support staff have tried everything to arrest the slide with no success.
  There is one constant, and that is a number of players not being good enough, bothered enough, and care enough to be better, and we have teams with smaller budgets above us in the table who get those things right.
  There is only one answer and that is a big reset in the playing staff, and if the present management recognise that, which I think they do, then they have the inside information of the club  and therefore are in the best position to put things right.
  Anybody else will be just starting from cold again and stuck with players he will not want or know.

[normal rules]

The new person to blame soon will be coppinger the head of football.
Poison chalice.

[Draytonian III]

The data analyst’s must be good at their jobs, ours obviously haven’t been to bring up so many dud signings.
Supporters rep’s seem to love having the inside info and not being able to share it. But when questioned on what they do, do, they don’t like it.

I don’t see any representation of our fans coming from those who have been in the job.
Devaluing fellow supporters opinions as though they are better than others. A reality check is needed. Remember what you are there for and it’s not yourself.

I think you might be a tad jealous of that second paragraph

[silent majority]

The data analyst’s must be good at their jobs, ours obviously haven’t been to bring up so many dud signings.
Supporters rep’s seem to love having the inside info and not being able to share it. But when questioned on what they do, do, they don’t like it.

I don’t see any representation of our fans coming from those who have been in the job.
Devaluing fellow supporters opinions as though they are better than others. A reality check is needed. Remember what you are there for and it’s not yourself.

You write some real tosh at times.

[Sammy Chung was King]

I don’t.

[NickDRFC]

SWCK
No-one is saying to use them blindly. The point is that if you don't use them intelligently and other clubs do, you're immediately at a disadvantage.

If you want to get the most efficiency out of your car, you'd be daft to ignore the trip computer data. That doesn't mean you don't have to use the steering wheel as well while you're driving.

Let’s be straight. Every club used data. Whoever uses it best has the advantage. Most clubs use it at face value (dangerous) and think they are being smart and others pay lip service to it and when it comes down to making big decisions they revert to type.

If you have systems in place it can create accountability, you can see how and when you go wrong clearly and adjust the way you work.

“Football” people are reluctant to embrace it fully because then they would feel out of control. The non ex players/ managers are the ones having the real success running football clubs now.

That's a very interesting point, that football people are the ones who would be reluctant.

I know Gavin would give this his support because its something that has cropped up in conversation a few times. I can't speak for DB though, I've not discussed football issues with him as such.

If David Blunt is in charge of the football side of the club and Gavin Baldwin has nothing to do with it, why haven’t you discussed football issues with Blunt? Surely that’s who the supporters representative should be speaking to?

You think I should be discussing football issues?

A couple of things;

1) I'm not the only supporter rep.
2) Football issues are NOT our area of responsibility.

Yet you’ve discussed football issues with Gavin Baldwin?

Yes of course I do, but its not an official request or part of my remit. Yes, we ask for an understanding of where the club is going and, just like other supporters, we show a great deal of interest. General interest is good to know so we can relay some of that back, but what happens on the pitch can't be affected by us and nor should it be.

I can request changes to season ticket pricing, stewarding issues, and activities off the pitch, etc.  But footballing issues, what happens on that green stuff, isn't part of it.

And even if it was, who's opinion would I represent? None of you can agree from one Saturday to the next, so what would you expect me to suggest?

I know you like to be contrary to all my posts Nick, but this is a weird one, even for you.

I don’t think it’s about suggesting anything, it’s about getting some answers or at the very least something to relay back to the fans. I’m not someone who thinks there should be relentless press releases or that we should need to know the inner workings of the club but the last 18 months have been an absolute clusterf**k on that green stuff and we’ve heard next to nothing which is extremely frustrating.

My post was never intended as a personal slight against you or any other supporters representative, more a general thought that if David Blunt is in charge of the football side of things that I’m surprised that there’s never any dialogue between him and a supporters representative and surely there would be some value in having some?

[Sammy Chung was King]

If Blunt has been making a lot of the football decisions, then he has failed in his job. You don’t have to sack him, give him another job more suited to his skills.
Football decisions need to be made by football men. Business may be his strong point.

The board needs to be quick thinking, innovative and right as much as possible.
If they aren’t going to sell, is it time to get younger, more enthusiastic representative’s to do those jobs?, so Terry etc can either step back from things and allow them to have a go.

[Ronnie Dovers]

If someone knows otherwise then please correct me, but reading between the lines here it feels like we have a chairman who at best is stubborn and unwilling to engage with outside opinions, who is holding us back. But he's stays mostly in the shadows.

Then we have Gavin, who does an excellent job, seems very engaging and open to hearing ideas on how we could improve. But ultimately he doesn't make the final decision, the chairman does. But because he's the one in the public spotlight, he's taking the flak from a decent chunk of our supporters anyway.

So is the chairman the problem?

[PDX_Rover]

Yes. In a word.

[drfc1951]

If Blunt has been making a lot of the football decisions, then he has failed in his job. You don’t have to sack him, give him another job more suited to his skills.
Football decisions need to be made by football men. Business may be his strong point.

Apparently Blunt played profesional football for Bradford PA in the 60s

The board needs to be quick thinking, innovative and right as much as possible.
If they aren’t going to sell, is it time to get younger, more enthusiastic representative’s to do those jobs?, so Terry etc can either step back from things and allow them to have a go.

[Bessie Red]

If Blunt has been making a lot of the football decisions, then he has failed in his job. You don’t have to sack him, give him another job more suited to his skills.
Football decisions need to be made by football men. Business may be his strong point.

Apparently Blunt played profesional football for Bradford PA in the 60s

The board needs to be quick thinking, innovative and right as much as possible.
If they aren’t going to sell, is it time to get younger, more enthusiastic representative’s to do those jobs?, so Terry etc can either step back from things and allow them to have a go.

He played in just 2 games for BPA, that his full professional football career!!

[Donny Exile in York]

If Blunt has been making a lot of the football decisions, then he has failed in his job. You don’t have to sack him, give him another job more suited to his skills.
Football decisions need to be made by football men. Business may be his strong point.

Apparently Blunt played profesional football for Bradford PA in the 60s

The board needs to be quick thinking, innovative and right as much as possible.
If they aren’t going to sell, is it time to get younger, more enthusiastic representative’s to do those jobs?, so Terry etc can either step back from things and allow them to have a go.

He played in just 2 games for BPA, that his full professional football career!!

What exactly does he do? His communication with the fans this season other than an annual meet the fans event is pathetic. Anonymous and his defeaning silence demonstrates to the fans just how slow and lacking dynamism our recruitment has been, including the last Summer transfer window, plodding process to recruit managers etc etc. Time to go.

[Sammy Chung was King]

If anything at least Baldwin comes out and gives an opinion. He gets stick but the chairman should really be talking to the press.
It has led unfairly at times, to him getting criticism. He has made a few boo boo’s but he’s human.

All I would say is tell the fans how it is and they will accept it as long as they know the situation.

[ravenrover]

How many club Chairmen make public statements?

[DonnyBazR0ver]

Sounds like there's a few up for a public stoning on Saturday.

Owner, Chairman, CEO, Manager, Assistant, Physio, Club Doctor.

£10 a stone and all proceeds go towards summer signings!

[drfchound]

How much is a bag of gravel please.

[Sammy Chung was King]

Del-boy is selling paving slabs I heard

[Canadian Rover]

So the revolution has started!! We are likely announcing a HOF next week.

Oh...and guess what HOF there are NO plans for an U23s next season according to the interview with GMC. So there ya go HOF you've been told how the structure of the club is going to be from GMC.

Also Fej has just had surgery again - sounds like he's gonna be kept around like Joe Wright was until he recovers.

[sedwardsdrfc]

To be fair to GM he’s only said there are no plans. It’s not his place to make those plans it’s the new guy job not his.

Would see it less that GM is dictating than the HoF doesn’t exist so there is no one to make the plan.

[WarwickRover]

No revolution today or tomorrow. Perhaps  having a deep understanding of the club is valued more.

[Alan Southstand]

No revolution - just evolution, of sorts.