Lisa Nandy

[scawsby steve]

Good on yer, girl. Another Labour MP with some morals and principles.

Keith won't like that.

[drfchound]

Someone will be along soon SS to tell us that she happened to see them on her way to the shop or that she wasn’t really there as the picture is a photoshopped fake.

[wilts rover]

Also two other shadow ministers, Imran Hussain (Bradford) and Navendu Mishra (Stockport) visted CWU pickets in their constituencies. As they should.

[danumdon]

Interesting to see what Keith does now, he's set the precedence and will look really foolish if he buckles.

Backed himself into a corner when he didn't need to, playing the big i am, wally.

[tyke1962]

It will be interesting to see how this plays out and if a challenge to Keith's authority materialises .

If it grows then a Leadership challenge may be forthcoming .

Seems pretty clear to me that frustration is beginning to mount with Keith's " fattening the pig on market day " strategy .

[ravenrover]

Attended with permission from hierarchy, also did no media interviews

[scawsby steve]

Attended with permission from hierarchy, also did no media interviews

I'll bet that permission was granted with gritted teeth.

If there's one man who won't be agreeing with these strikes, it's Keith.

[MachoMadness]

Kieth launched his leadership campaign with a video saying he was a "proud trade unionist". Don't suppose that was a... Lie? Was it?

If he has u turned on his picket line ban before it completely disintegrated, then good. But the damage is already done. Kieth looks slippery, hypocritical, and out of touch.

[SydneyRover]

Vote for truss then is the answer MM

[scawsby steve]

Vote for truss then is the answer MM

No it isn't. The answer is to get rid of Keith and elect someone who cares about working class people.

[SydneyRover]

Vote for truss then is the answer MM

No it isn't. The answer is to get rid of Keith and elect someone who cares about working class people.

excellent comment Steve, you've had 12 years, what's your plan who's your champion, please don't say Burnham again ffs

[MachoMadness]

Nope, won't be doing that either syd. But then I'm not going to vote for a labour party that backs "the right" of people to strike (just so long as they don't actually go on strike). Or one that's riddled with racism and toxic factionalism, but sweeps it under the carpet because they can get away with it. Or one that continually breaks manifesto pledges that the leader was elected on, that attacks the Tories from the right on the economy, playing into the austerity narrative, that refuses to commit to binning the racist Rwanda policy if they ever get into power... Need I go on?

We get all that from the Tories. I'm not going to vote for any party that is functionally no different from them just because they happen to wear red rosettes.

[scawsby steve]

Vote for truss then is the answer MM

No it isn't. The answer is to get rid of Keith and elect someone who cares about working class people.

excellent comment Steve, you've had 12 years, what's your plan who's your champion, please don't say Burnham again ffs

Burnham's not available, otherwise he'd be a shoe-in nowadays, and everyone knows it.

A good start would be to look at all those who have shown support for the picket lines. They've all got more principles and backbone than Keith.

[SydneyRover]

Vote for truss then is the answer MM

No it isn't. The answer is to get rid of Keith and elect someone who cares about working class people.

excellent comment Steve, you've had 12 years, what's your plan who's your champion, please don't say Burnham again ffs

Burnham's not available, otherwise he'd be a shoe-in nowadays, and everyone knows it.

A good start would be to look at all those who have shown support for the picket lines. They've all got more principles and backbone than Keith.

Burnham was neither available nor the man you and others thought he was last time he was put up by the forum.

Still no plan or contender then Steve, this is the problem of forum chat and reality, on here your comments have no consequences because you don't have to get it right or keep any promises you make. It's a tad different in the real world where a political leader was elected to win government, where were all the champions of the left then? It's similar to playing Tenable on the couch you can always do better that the contestants because you have no pressure and you don't lose a go because you made the wrong call.

Maybe a slightly better way would be to be inside the tent pissing out so labour can gain government and you can change voting system, if you still don't like what you see then change the leader or vote for another party and still make it count.

[SydneyRover]

Nope, won't be doing that either syd. But then I'm not going to vote for a labour party that backs "the right" of people to strike (just so long as they don't actually go on strike). Or one that's riddled with racism and toxic factionalism, but sweeps it under the carpet because they can get away with it. Or one that continually breaks manifesto pledges that the leader was elected on, that attacks the Tories from the right on the economy, playing into the austerity narrative, that refuses to commit to binning the racist Rwanda policy if they ever get into power... Need I go on?

We get all that from the Tories. I'm not going to vote for any party that is functionally no different from them just because they happen to wear red rosettes.

Maybe you should list what you want from a party MM, you are going to be continually disappointed with unrealistic parameters.

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Maybe you could show where in the past a party that has stated and delivered everything upon being elected.

[SydneyRover]

And this I guess is where reality bites, getting ones politics from the media which probably 95% of voters do is totally different from the real politic of being on the ground, living it and being part of it. If you think it is hard on the forum it is infinitely more difficult doing it.

[albie]

Nandy was parroting out the line about Labour MP's staying away from picket lines on recent media appearances, so I reckon that there is a bit of shapeshifting going off here.

Union money being withdrawn will see Keith out of the door sharpish, and LN is prepping for that.

[wilts rover]

Nope, won't be doing that either syd. But then I'm not going to vote for a labour party that backs "the right" of people to strike (just so long as they don't actually go on strike). Or one that's riddled with racism and toxic factionalism, but sweeps it under the carpet because they can get away with it. Or one that continually breaks manifesto pledges that the leader was elected on, that attacks the Tories from the right on the economy, playing into the austerity narrative, that refuses to commit to binning the racist Rwanda policy if they ever get into power... Need I go on?

We get all that from the Tories. I'm not going to vote for any party that is functionally no different from them just because they happen to wear red rosettes.

Yvette Copper said it's Labour policy to scrap Rwanda plan:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/labour-will-scrap-rwanda-policy-and-target-gangs-says-yvette-cooper-v2bkl5std

[MachoMadness]

Fair enough wilts. If that is the Labour line. Starmer himself in the link below was clear as mud on the matter, so is that Labours official position? Or is the position, as Starmer suggests, that the main problem with the plan is that it's just not efficiently managed? With the best will in the world, I honestly can't say. And the fact there is doubt there is troubling.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-61208118

Anyway, this isn't really what the thread is about. Just using it as an example of Starmer's office continually muddling what should be bread and butter issues for the labour party. See: https://twitter.com/steamedhamms/status/1554111302682959872?t=YO3vo6ZgSgOILwZiuFm4Eg&s=19

[SydneyRover]

Here's one that predates that report

''Labour Party denounces Johnson's plan to send asylum seekers to Rwanda
Labour leader Keir Starmer calls government’s plan ‘unworkable,’ ‘extortionate’ for taxpayers''

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/world/labour-party-denounces-johnsons-plan-to-send-asylum-seekers-to-rwanda/2563923

[scawsby steve]

And this I guess is where reality bites, getting ones politics from the media which probably 95% of voters do is totally different from the real politic of being on the ground, living it and being part of it. If you think it is hard on the forum it is infinitely more difficult doing it.

You're lecturing us about getting our politics from the media? You, who spends your entire life inside the pages of the Guardian?

Oh the irony.

[SydneyRover]

not lecturing Steve informing, those that have never done any on the the ground, have you? do you leave the armchair often, hehe, Id be surprised you get to vote most times.