Managers

[DonnyOsmond]

When was the last time we were able to say what our style of football was?

[sedwardsdrfc]

At times under Moore I think we could see what he wanted from us. At other times not so much.

Last time consistently was McCann and it’s no coincidence that was our best season for ages either

[Chris Black come back]

There were clearly some very good results and performances under Moore but my abiding memory of his football was painfully predictable passing out from the back, which more often than not left us immediately under pressure or out of possession. Also the fact that we never had a striker who was either fit or league standard.

[sedwardsdrfc]

There were clearly some very good results and performances under Moore but my abiding memory of his football was painfully predictable passing out from the back, which more often than not left us immediately under pressure or out of possession. Also the fact that we never had a striker who was either fit or league standard.

It was and that's what i remember as well. But it was a style and plan. Something where you could say with good coaching eventually the players will be able to play out of the press and with a couple of passes be in a dangerous position. It's what loads of teams try to do higher up the divisions.

SOD took a while to get to a point where the football was enjoyable but you could see glimmers that with more coaching and maybe a few better players we'd be the real deal. I'd say it was the same with Moore although i'm not putting them in the same league.

At the moment we're rubbish and i can't see how more coaching will help because there's no plan that we just need to get better at executing.

[Campsall rover]

Didn’t realise that Neil Harris was doing so bad, wasn’t he the one everyone was clamouring for

Gillingham are skint. Scully has run out of money and they are seriously struggling.
Lost their best players this summer after relegation.

[roversdude]

He bombed most of their players out CR at the end of the season

[Jonathan]

Harris was apparently the kind of experienced manager that we should have appointed to keep us up. But he took Gillingham down.

He tore into his own players (when quite obviously grandstanding) and gained some admiration for talking straight on here. But of course we don’t like it when ours do that and it shows a lack of accountability.

Funny game isn’t it.

[roversdude]

Harris was apparently the kind of experienced manager that we should have appointed to keep us up. But he took Gillingham down.

He tore into his own players (when quite obviously grandstanding) and gained some admiration for talking straight on here. But of course we don’t like it when ours do that and it shows a lack of accountability.

Funny game isn’t it.

Exactly my point Jonathan

[Panda]

Harris was apparently the kind of experienced manager that we should have appointed to keep us up. But he took Gillingham down.

He tore into his own players (when quite obviously grandstanding) and gained some admiration for talking straight on here. But of course we don’t like it when ours do that and it shows a lack of accountability.

Funny game isn’t it.

This is a fair and well-made point.

Take Keith Hill at Scunny for example. I'm sure if they gave their U18's manager the job last season instead of Hill then their fans wouldn't have been happy yet and experienced manager in Hill took them down anyway.

I acknowledge that i believed giving GM the job was a mistake but i also acknowledge that i believed an experienced manager would have done a lot better for us last season when, as Jonathan points out with the Harris example - this often is not necessarily the case.

The ongoing argument with GM is that we don't seem to have improved a great deal overall whereas with some young managers given a chance by clubs this improvement is clear to see. GM, in addition to 6 months of last season has now had a summer, about 8 league games and 3 cup games and many of us are still none the wiser. However, yes. Fans like myself should accept that appointing an experienced manager can also go tits up and it does so for a lot of clubs.

Therefore, not saying it will happen but just say we got rid of GM and appointed Copps a boss. Some fans will be moaning and saying it is the cheap option but truth is nobody knows how he would do and replacing GM with an experienced boss could end up leaving us in a worse position.

[Sammy Chung was King]

The Lincoln result is a step in the right direction. Players that we haven’t had for some time on the pitch and contributing.
It can only make us stronger. It doesn’t matter how good the side Lincoln put out, we went there and won.

On the manager it’s about getting the right man. We have a manager at the minute that I thought was the wrong choice, but I want him to do well because he’s our manager. We could very easily win the next three league games and the pressure eases on him.

He’s walking a tightrope because of last season, and the squad he has which should be around the play off places, at a minimum.
He isn’t getting the best from what he has available, he struggled with the same thing last season. He has better options this season.

We should be aiming for promotion, we can’t keep downgrading what is needed just to keep him in his job. He has to meet what is needed to do that. Standards have to be upgraded not downgraded. Good result against Lincoln, hopefully builds some confidence after a blip in results and performance.

[pib]

I have to say I'm surprised it hasn't worked with Harris at Gillingham so far. I was one of the people who thought that was a good move for them. He seems a very Gillingham-y manager and has a lot of experience in L1 and the Championship.

I don't think that necessarily means we went down the right route with GM, that would be a bit tenuous, but take the point nonetheless that an experienced manager that seems a good fit won't always work out. You only have to look at Wellens in his time here to prove that.

Having said all that about Neil Harris, Gillingham's "shots taken per goal scored" stats are completely off the charts. Like not even slightly... they're right off on their own in a whole different part of the graph to everyone else. I've not watched them myself but that might indicate that they're doing a lot right in terms of their performances and creating chances, but they've just been woefully profligate so far in terms of converting them. If they sort that out, they'll likely improve a lot.

As much as I feel GM is failing to deliver what I would hope/expect him to, I suspect it's too early in the season for the board to consider a change, so the next month or so could be very important for him. Last night's win means very little, but we have a mixture of different challenges coming up and we need to see improvements in the performances.

As far as I know Crawley are a possession team, but seem to be struggling, so it'll be interesting to see how we handle that. Rochdale are struggling too, as are Hartlepool, and then the rest of the games in October (Orient, Carlisle, Crewe, Stevenage and Gillingham) will all be good tests of where we're at in different ways.

[glosterred]

Now Liam Rosenior has now been relieved of his interim managers job at Derby County but could stay on in another role.

Paul Warne an early favourite to replace him



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[moses]

And Paul Warne is being linked with all and sundry including Derby.

[RugbyRover]

I can't see the snake lasting much longer either

[roversdude]

Which one

[RugbyRover]

Which one

McSnake. The one who started our demise. Lost the last four 

[EasyforDennis]

One of our best managers in recent times. Shame he left in the way he did.

[sedwardsdrfc]

Warne is supposed to be in for the Huddersfield job.

On Harris he's not very inspiring but i think with this squad you'd back him to get playoffs at least. Last season it was more that we we're clearly going down with GM but a manager who has done the job before to a decent level might have squeezed out an extra win or draw. Which might have kept us up.

[rich1471]

Warne is confirmed as the new Derby manager

[Chris Black come back]

That’s a massive hit for Rotherham. They had a model that worked and a squad built around that model. They either get carbon copy manager somehow or they have to radically reshape squad towards something more normal. Slim chances of them making this work you would have thought.

[Sammy Chung was King]

Warne has probably done as much as he can at Rotherham, though Derby doesn’t look a great move, he obviously fancies the challenge of rebuilding them.

[Colemans Left Hook]

Warne is confirmed as the new Derby manager

this explains why

"Warne, who also had two spells with the club as a player, will replace interim manager Liam Rosenior at Derby."

they got out of jail on Saturday they were 1-0 at half time to Wycombe and going nowhere until 2 late goals from "Hurryhaine"  got them out of it - if they had lost that there chances of top spot would have been nil.

losing 2-0 away at not so mighty Lincoln was a shocker

They have a lot of senior journeymen (lack of pace ) but 6 out of their next seven matches are very winnable ( the other is Ipswich away on Friday 21st Oct) so when they win most of these to the world it will appear he is doing a good job - when in reality they have been playing the rabble - 

it is quite easy in this league to get a run of 6 "hard" (as the Ladbroke advert says ) matches then a run against the poorer teams and your  position in this league can be very misleading at the moment.

at least he can't take Rotherhams star striker with him   - Rotherham might even give  that person the job temporarily ??

second thoughts Wellens ???