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Sammy Chung was King

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Is it time to put
« on March 07, 2023, 10:21:00 am by Sammy Chung was King »
George Miller back in the side? Will not starting have done him a bit of good?
There must be a way of the manager playing his formation with two up top and a creator behind.
The way he’s doing it at the minute isn’t working. We aren’t scoring goals. Get Miller and Lavery or even Agard up there. We need to be going for it against Harrogate, we need the win!
I would go 3-4-1-2


                      Mitchell

           Nelson.   Anderson.  Olowu

Brown.                                          Rowe

                  Lakin.       Biggins

                         Hurst

             G.Miller.          Lavery
« Last Edit: March 07, 2023, 10:31:31 am by Sammy Chung was King »



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Butchers Red

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Re: Is it time to put
« Reply #1 on March 07, 2023, 10:35:56 am by Butchers Red »
The lone striker issue is what kills DS and his system for me.

No-one, Haaland,Zlatan or even Shearer, playing up top solo and yards away from any support would be scoring regularly in our side - and with respect to both George and Lavery - they are not physical at all and rely on channel balls etc to use their pace and get on the end of things. It dosen't matter which of them - or even Agard - there's no chance for the guys.

But equally importantly, what about entertainment ?? In this system there is certainly precious little of that.

Getting out of this league is simple enough - with the right approach anyway - we desperately need an Andy Cook type of proper centre forward and then the likes of George and Lavery,playing off him would have a field day - add Hurst and Moly to that spearhead and we would piss this league.

Is it really so hard to see ??

Metalmicky

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Re: Is it time to put
« Reply #2 on March 07, 2023, 10:43:51 am by Metalmicky »
Is it time to............... use the thread already started about the Harrogate game...?

Reg of the Rovers

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Re: Is it time to put
« Reply #3 on March 07, 2023, 03:12:53 pm by Reg of the Rovers »
I like that line-up Sammy, that would be my starting team. Only time I can remember seeing Lavery and Miller together is second half at Mansfield and I thought they looked effective - if Miller had taken the chance that Lavery laid on a plate for him, and if we hadn't had a brain-fart and let in the Akins goal on the hour it could have been a different game. A run together is what they need to build up a proper strike partnership.

TheFunk

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Re: Is it time to put
« Reply #4 on March 07, 2023, 03:19:14 pm by TheFunk »
Didn't Miller and Lavery start together against Hartlepool and we were still dogshit. If Schofield insists on playing a supposed front 3 I hope he had them watching Liverpool on Sunday showing how it can work. We know it can work ourselves as McCann's team showed us. I don't care what system we play as that's not the problem. The real problem is the lack of ability of our players.

Reg of the Rovers

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Re: Is it time to put
« Reply #5 on March 07, 2023, 03:31:41 pm by Reg of the Rovers »
Didn't Miller and Lavery start together against Hartlepool and we were still dogshit. If Schofield insists on playing a supposed front 3 I hope he had them watching Liverpool on Sunday showing how it can work. We know it can work ourselves as McCann's team showed us. I don't care what system we play as that's not the problem. The real problem is the lack of ability of our players.
You're right, they did - and we definitely were! It didn't feel like a front two though, it was still the mega-defensive 5-2-2-1, which just drew pressure on. Liverpool were dynamic on the break, with a tight-formation front three. More reasonably we should be aiming at the Heffernan / Hayter type combo - not big or mega strong players, but busy and direct and a complimentary pair. It'll take time to build that relationship - a game and a half isn't enough to start to have the kind of understanding they'd need.

ForsolongaRover

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Re: Is it time to put
« Reply #6 on March 07, 2023, 03:34:00 pm by ForsolongaRover »
People have given up on suggesting that Rowe could add to the attacking potential. It is something that the HC obviously doesn’t think will work, but has he ever tried it?

pib

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Re: Is it time to put
« Reply #7 on March 07, 2023, 04:43:44 pm by pib »
The lone striker issue is what kills DS and his system for me.

No-one, Haaland,Zlatan or even Shearer, playing up top solo and yards away from any support would be scoring regularly in our side - and with respect to both George and Lavery - they are not physical at all and rely on channel balls etc to use their pace and get on the end of things. It dosen't matter which of them - or even Agard - there's no chance for the guys.

But equally importantly, what about entertainment ?? In this system there is certainly precious little of that.

Getting out of this league is simple enough - with the right approach anyway - we desperately need an Andy Cook type of proper centre forward and then the likes of George and Lavery,playing off him would have a field day - add Hurst and Moly to that spearhead and we would piss this league.

Is it really so hard to see ??

I think you can probably play effectively with one up front, but I'd think it would rely on other players providing the right support, the right runs being made, and patterns of play in the build-up being suited to that system.

I'd be interested to know from someone with a greater analytical understanding of how Rovers play how we measure up on the above metrics. Purely anecdotally, I'd imagine quite poorly.

Stockport a prime example on Saturday where we frequently got the ball into our attacking outlets, whether that be the wing-backs, Molyneux/Hurst or the central midfield two, and due to the lack of options in front of them they ended up passing backwards and we went from the attacking third all the way back to Mitchell or Anderson/Nelson. On the odd occasion Hurst carried the ball and made something happen, but we can't be reliant on one player creating everything by beating two or three players.

sedwardsdrfc

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Re: Is it time to put
« Reply #8 on March 07, 2023, 09:24:15 pm by sedwardsdrfc »
It’s obviously time to change something in the way we set up. But DS isn’t going to change for anything. His disappointed me as a young manager looking to make a career how can you be so inflexible.

Said in a thread a while ago that these coaches get their badges and regurgitate what they learnt from course about philosophy or processes while all broadly trying to play the same way. Then when they get a job they get rings run round them by the likes of Steve Evans.

He should look to the most successful lower league managers and see how flexible they are in approach to get a result.

 

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