Club Doncaster

[DonnyBazR0ver]

It’s not just last night though. It’s the last 2 years, day in, day out disappointment.

So, what has that to do with Club Doncaster? Nothing. By all means let's keep it related to the football on the many other threads. 

[Bentley Bullet]

DBR, had Rovers been massively successful on the pitch over the last two years, instead of massively unsuccessful, would the club have put the reason for the success down to Club Doncaster?

[DonnyBazR0ver]

DBR, had Rovers been massively successful on the pitch over the last two years, instead of massively unsuccessful, would the club have put the reason for the success down to Club Doncaster?

I doubt it. Club Doncaster has been operating for a number of years, certainly well before Fergie and McCann.

Even with success  I suspect TB, DB & GB would allow the manager/coaches & players to take all the plaudits.

I hope I've understood your question correctly?

[DonnyBazR0ver]

Interestingly, whilst looking back over the years to find information about the birth of Cub Doncaster, I came across this post from 2010

https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=72034.0

It wasn't too long after this when JR and the KM2, as they were known then, were looking at ways  of increasing revenue. If memory serves, when GB was brought on board and further ways of making the stadium complex generate more money were muted and a concept that became known as Club Doncaster was born.

There was such a furore about the rise in ST prices (they went up again after this) and even then, some familiar posters were saying the clubs marketing  was p*ss poor and we don't hear enough from the board about future plans!

https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=71171.0

Also interesting comments in the first thread above about the club being up for sale. No interested parties then or since

[WantleyDragon]

Without Club Doncaster the Rovers, Dons and Belles would each need to have their own operating staff, Ticket office, Commercial, Publicity, Admin', Groundstaff etc.  With CD there is just one set of staff doing the work for all three clubs.  There is a very significant (and very obvious) financial advantage to that which each club benefits from.

Why is that an advantage to Rovers, when the football club could just do it on their own without the Belles and Dons draining resources ?

Because then all three entities are funding one set of people between them instead of three sets of people in total.

Please tell me that you can understand that the cost of one set of people is lower than three sets of people.

No, Belles and Dons aren't funding anything, only a drain on resources.
The extra staff that comes with those clubs are also a drain.

You've still to explain how you know they are being funded and are a drain on resources.

Who's told you this?

OK. Let's say the Belles and Dons make a profit, ( highly unlikely) their profits go back into each individual club respectively, fair ?

What about the funds from the gym, car boot and pitches ?
Is that distributed evenly between 3 clubs? Or do Rovers get a bigger share ? Is that fair ?

My point is, if all 3 clubs were separate entities ( as they always were ) and Rovers ran the stadium, and collected all proceeds from said revenue streams, plus charged rent to the rugby club for use of the stadium.
Rovers would be in a FAR better position, granted Belles and Dons wouldn't be, but then I don't support them.

Right, so you've no idea if they are funded not. You've just made stuff up and kept posting it.

This is why people just end up ignoring you and you end up changing your user name again.

So you can't answer the questions ? Thought not

[WantleyDragon]

Without Club Doncaster the Rovers, Dons and Belles would each need to have their own operating staff, Ticket office, Commercial, Publicity, Admin', Groundstaff etc.  With CD there is just one set of staff doing the work for all three clubs.  There is a very significant (and very obvious) financial advantage to that which each club benefits from.

Why is that an advantage to Rovers, when the football club could just do it on their own without the Belles and Dons draining resources ?

Because then all three entities are funding one set of people between them instead of three sets of people in total.

Please tell me that you can understand that the cost of one set of people is lower than three sets of people.

No, Belles and Dons aren't funding anything, only a drain on resources.
The extra staff that comes with those clubs are also a drain.

Absolute poppycock.

And why should we spoon feed you when we've gone to the trouble of looking into and understanding all aspects of Club Doncaster, which go far further than just the Don's and Belle's participation.

You choose to criticise and make massive assumptions about things you say you know little about.

Gain an understanding first, then ask questions and only then can you put yourself in a position to criticise.

And, wtf has Club Doncaster got to do with the sh*t show last night? It's like blaming Patienceform for Rovers defeats.

So, again how is club doncaster a benefit to ROVERS ?

[wilts rover]

Without Club Doncaster the Rovers, Dons and Belles would each need to have their own operating staff, Ticket office, Commercial, Publicity, Admin', Groundstaff etc.  With CD there is just one set of staff doing the work for all three clubs.  There is a very significant (and very obvious) financial advantage to that which each club benefits from.

Why is that an advantage to Rovers, when the football club could just do it on their own without the Belles and Dons draining resources ?

Because then all three entities are funding one set of people between them instead of three sets of people in total.

Please tell me that you can understand that the cost of one set of people is lower than three sets of people.

No, Belles and Dons aren't funding anything, only a drain on resources.
The extra staff that comes with those clubs are also a drain.

Absolute poppycock.

And why should we spoon feed you when we've gone to the trouble of looking into and understanding all aspects of Club Doncaster, which go far further than just the Don's and Belle's participation.

You choose to criticise and make massive assumptions about things you say you know little about.

Gain an understanding first, then ask questions and only then can you put yourself in a position to criticise.

And, wtf has Club Doncaster got to do with the sh*t show last night? It's like blaming Patienceform for Rovers defeats.

So, again how is club doncaster a benefit to ROVERS ?

It keeps them running.

[drfchound]

Interestingly, whilst looking back over the years to find information about the birth of Cub Doncaster, I came across this post from 2010

https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=72034.0

It wasn't too long after this when JR and the KM2, as they were known then, were looking at ways  of increasing revenue. If memory serves, when GB was brought on board and further ways of making the stadium complex generate more money were muted and a concept that became known as Club Doncaster was born.

There was such a furore about the rise in ST prices (they went up again after this) and even then, some familiar posters were saying the clubs marketing  was p*ss poor and we don't hear enough from the board about future plans!

https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=71171.0

Also interesting comments in the first thread above about the club being up for sale. No interested parties then or since

I always find it interesting to read stuff that was written a few years ago.
I noticed how many of those posters aren’t writing on the forum these days.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

Without Club Doncaster the Rovers, Dons and Belles would each need to have their own operating staff, Ticket office, Commercial, Publicity, Admin', Groundstaff etc.  With CD there is just one set of staff doing the work for all three clubs.  There is a very significant (and very obvious) financial advantage to that which each club benefits from.

Why is that an advantage to Rovers, when the football club could just do it on their own without the Belles and Dons draining resources ?

Because then all three entities are funding one set of people between them instead of three sets of people in total.

Please tell me that you can understand that the cost of one set of people is lower than three sets of people.

No, Belles and Dons aren't funding anything, only a drain on resources.
The extra staff that comes with those clubs are also a drain.

Absolute poppycock.

And why should we spoon feed you when we've gone to the trouble of looking into and understanding all aspects of Club Doncaster, which go far further than just the Don's and Belle's participation.

You choose to criticise and make massive assumptions about things you say you know little about.

Gain an understanding first, then ask questions and only then can you put yourself in a position to criticise.

And, wtf has Club Doncaster got to do with the sh*t show last night? It's like blaming Patienceform for Rovers defeats.

So, again how is club doncaster a benefit to ROVERS ?

Nice try. Well within your remit to do some research then ask questions. Try researching Club Doncaster Foundation and Club Doncaster Sports College.

[vaya]

Without Club Doncaster the Rovers, Dons and Belles would each need to have their own operating staff, Ticket office, Commercial, Publicity, Admin', Groundstaff etc.  With CD there is just one set of staff doing the work for all three clubs.  There is a very significant (and very obvious) financial advantage to that which each club benefits from.

Why is that an advantage to Rovers, when the football club could just do it on their own without the Belles and Dons draining resources ?

Because then all three entities are funding one set of people between them instead of three sets of people in total.

Please tell me that you can understand that the cost of one set of people is lower than three sets of people.

No, Belles and Dons aren't funding anything, only a drain on resources.
The extra staff that comes with those clubs are also a drain.

You've still to explain how you know they are being funded and are a drain on resources.

Who's told you this?

OK. Let's say the Belles and Dons make a profit, ( highly unlikely) their profits go back into each individual club respectively, fair ?

What about the funds from the gym, car boot and pitches ?
Is that distributed evenly between 3 clubs? Or do Rovers get a bigger share ? Is that fair ?

My point is, if all 3 clubs were separate entities ( as they always were ) and Rovers ran the stadium, and collected all proceeds from said revenue streams, plus charged rent to the rugby club for use of the stadium.
Rovers would be in a FAR better position, granted Belles and Dons wouldn't be, but then I don't support them.

Right, so you've no idea if they are funded not. You've just made stuff up and kept posting it.

This is why people just end up ignoring you and you end up changing your user name again.

So you can't answer the questions ? Thought not

Still waiting for you to explain how much worthless shares are worth.

[EasyforDennis]

I will hold my hand up and say I was very dubious about Club Doncaster (probably because I didn't really understand everything involved) but now I don't see what all the fuss is about.
If CD is a profitable, expanding organisation whose profits go to funding DRFC then I cannot see a problem.
What I am less happy about is now with the money from CD putting us on a sustainable footing TB feels the need to withdraw his financial contribution.
I remember years ago at a MTO meeting TB saying, eventually we will find a level at which we are comfortable. It certainly looks like he is happy where we are and we have reached that level.

[Bentley Bullet]

The trouble with that is, if TB is happy where we are now, having reached our level, the fan base will decrease resulting in us being above our level, financially. The result of that would be to move down to a lower level....... And so on.

[i_ateallthepies]

The trouble with that is, if TB is happy where we are now, having reached our level, the fan base will decrease resulting in us being above our level, financially. The result of that would be to move down to a lower level....... And so on.

Which is precisely why I contest the claim that the club has become sustainable, they certainly cannot know that the club will maintain it's revenues from ticket sales.  The best they can claim on the financial front is that the club has broken even.  Next season and every other season to come will be a new start financially and breaking even will depend on all income streams including ticket sales irrespective of the level we are playing at.  And given our very recent history it would seem the club masters don't consider the level we play at to be a priority.

[Sammy Chung was King]

Club Doncaster is one of the few things going well, it isn’t a problem.
Our problems lie on the pitch and having an inexperienced manager, that is playing a very negative formation,that isn’t working .
It’s ok to have a way of playing but if you see it’s not working , you have to adapt to what you have.

I see no fire in the players bellies. Refusing to get beat. We are rolling over. The manager needs to get his head out of dreamland, and get into the real world. The board have made the same mistake they did with McSheffrey and for some reason thought giving a baby in managers terms the job, madness. They aren’t saving money appointing cheap they are losing money.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

I will hold my hand up and say I was very dubious about Club Doncaster (probably because I didn't really understand everything involved) but now I don't see what all the fuss is about.
If CD is a profitable, expanding organisation whose profits go to funding DRFC then I cannot see a problem.
What I am less happy about is now with the money from CD putting us on a sustainable footing TB feels the need to withdraw his financial contribution.
I remember years ago at a MTO meeting TB saying, eventually we will find a level at which we are comfortable. It certainly looks like he is happy where we are and we have reached that level.

Well that's the conundrum. TB provides the insurance should the budgeting not add up. I can understand the feeling that he, and the other owners, should want to be more proactive than reactive however, even if he was to say 'I'll put in £1m a year, the outcome could be the same come the end of year accounts when there's a shortfall (or worse as it did back then when we eventually had to cut our cloth accordingly)

Going back to that post from 2010, it stands up to my understanding that the three owners agreed to divi up up to £1m each per season, hence the reference to £6m in two seasons.

However, unfortunately and sadly it became unsustainable for JR and we lost DW (RIP) along the way, so TB was left holding the baby. Club Dobcaster has made up some of that shortfall. However, until recently it's widely believed income comes from the following main sources.

Fans (ticket sales & commercial/retail)
Owners contribution
Club Doncaster
EFL loyalty payments, prize money etc
TV money Inc cut from iFollow

Now, I always felt the contributions from us the fans and the owners was a reasonably balanced partnership in that annual ticket sales etc were in the region of £3.5m and the owners around £1m each. Now of course, ticket sales etc are much less both with reduced prices (again, TB fully committed to making the footy affordable for all) and reduced attendances.

TB's comments at the meet the owners about bringing other fans have been scrutinised but I guess he was really saying, over a long period of time I've done my bit but I could do with some help if we could bring in more through the turnstiles. (Basically the same message JR was delivering in 2010 onwards but in different ways)

Of course, given our current plight, then that isn't very likely, very soon.

I have an idea I've been brewing for sometime which might help close the gap in the perception of things and go some way to rekindling the partnership by incentivising both fans and owners alike to contribute, which I'm considering discussing with the club.

In the meantime, non of the above is likely to help or wash much with some of our fan base but nobody, other than the owners and us, are going to change things for us.

[BVB]

Without Club Doncaster the Rovers, Dons and Belles would each need to have their own operating staff, Ticket office, Commercial, Publicity, Admin', Groundstaff etc.  With CD there is just one set of staff doing the work for all three clubs.  There is a very significant (and very obvious) financial advantage to that which each club benefits from.

Why is that an advantage to Rovers, when the football club could just do it on their own without the Belles and Dons draining resources ?

Because then all three entities are funding one set of people between them instead of three sets of people in total.

Please tell me that you can understand that the cost of one set of people is lower than three sets of people.

No, Belles and Dons aren't funding anything, only a drain on resources.
The extra staff that comes with those clubs are also a drain.

Belles and Dons are set their own financial targets which they have to cover themselves,  mostly through arranging their own separate sponsorship deals.
They also have to cover their own costs - the facilities do not come free.
They also use volunteers for many roles, thereby saving money (and also work) for themselves and Club Don.
Belles players don’t get paid.
Hardly a drain.
if there is a drain on Rovers’ income, then it is a function of their own performances. You’d be better off targeting your angst in that direction rather than shooting off into the dark.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Increasing the prices to what we did in the championship was a stupid mistake aswell. It knocked the crowds we'd built up simply because it was too expensive to watch a game in this area. We could have kicked on with 10k+ crowds had we not priced so many out.

As for now, club Doncaster is not the cause of our failures on the pitch. Poor strategy, poor management and failure to add funding on top of the success of club Doncaster are much bigger issues.