Coppinger

[Tommy A]

In my opinion this leaves Copps in a very difficult position.

The man that he brought in and who he was defending strongly off (on) microphone only a couple of weeks ago has had to be sacked.

Doesn't feel like he wanted to sack him to me.

A new manager will hopefully be experienced and therefore know more than Copps about the players he wants etc.

So what does Copps bring to the party?

Fab player but doesn't have the right attributes for the job he's in.

[keyser_soze]

Copps was brought in to be the continuity between managers. Whether he is the right man for the job or not aside, it doesn't make sense for him to fall on his sword when his guy gets the chop, as he needs to manage the transition to the new manager.

I do get the impression from the stuff he's been posting on social media that he felt Schofield would come good given time. Maybe he would have, but the consequences of him not doing having spent TB's war chest are too much to risk it.

[normal rules]

Imagine if we had appointed a quality manager instead of Schofield . Things could have been much different . And that’s down to coppinger. Continuity is not what rovers need. It’s a clean slate with no baggage

[Canadian Rover]

Stop!

Please stop the witch hunt! We have fired the manager. We will bring in an experienced manager and number two of that I am certain.

We have a loyal knowledgeable head of football who is qualified, knows the area, club and community. He is loved and respected by all. This is the anniversary of him hanging up his boots with the club he loved and continues to serve.

He's a bridge between the management , directors, youth team and players.

He's newer, he's learning and yeah his first appointment didn't work out.

But please please please leave the man to do his work.

Better days are ahead.

[roversdude]

Agree NR we need something totally away from halfway through Moores tenure

[DonnyBazR0ver]

Stop!

Please stop the witch hunt! We have fired the manager. We will bring in an experienced manager and number two of that I am certain.

We have a loyal knowledge head of football who is qualified, knows the area, club and community. He is loved and respected by all. This is the anniversary of him hanging up his boots with the club he loved and continues to serve.

He's a bridge between the management , directors, youth team and players.

He's newer, he's learning and yeah his first appointment didn't work out.

But please please please leave the man to do his work.

Better days are ahead.

Well said.

Just my take on things. Copps only knows too well it's a results business and the role he's committed to includes the hiring and firing of the head coach. I believe he convinced the board to give DS until the end of the season however, the odds were stacked against DS with some of his decision making on top of the increasing injury list and the wrath of the fans.

Copps was right to stick up for Schofield, particularly in the face of some of the unsavoury attacks on him however, that shouldn't affect Copps ability to oversee the football operation where there's little room for sentiment. This has been a great learning experience.

[normal rules]

Copps is afforded a level of leeway no one else would get at this club. Schofield played hundreds of games of football as a pro. That does not translate into being an effective manager . And in the case of copps as HOF, I’ll say the same is true. I have seen and heard nothing from copps as HOF that inspires me in the way he did with a ball
At his feet . And it sounds like he still wont accept that DS was no good for DRFC in the long term . And so by not accepting this , he side swipes the accountability that should be attached to that managerial appointment. The next appointment had better turn out well otherwise all that slack he gets cut will soon disappear.

[dickos1]

Every club makes appointments that aren’t successful. I don’t understand why folk are saying because copps appointed him he needs to leave.
It’s just nonsense

[normal rules]

Every club makes appointments that aren’t successful. I don’t understand why folk are saying because copps appointed him he needs to leave.
It’s just nonsense

Unless I’m Mistaken HOF also includes oversight of scouting , talent identification and recruitment of players and managers. The acquisition of DS seems flawed at every level. Players recruited since JC has been in post also seem flawed. If it is Mcann to be next manager, he did ok previously without a HOF. He doesn’t need one .

[Tommy A]

Every club makes appointments that aren’t successful. I don’t understand why folk are saying because copps appointed him he needs to leave.
It’s just nonsense

Unless I’m Mistaken HOF also includes oversight of scouting , talent identification and recruitment of players and managers. The acquisition of DS seems flawed at every level. Players recruited since JC has been in post also seem flawed. If it is Mcann to be next manager, he did ok previously with a HOF. He doesn’t need one .

This was my original point really.

I'm not necessarily saying he has to go and I'm certainly not contucting a "witch hunt" but I think it's fair to question what the role of the HOF is alongside an experienced manager.

[dickos1]

Head of football is just a link between the board and the football side.
The board aren’t football people so it’s a sensible approach.
One poor season doesn’t mean we have to change everything

[In the box]

Every club makes appointments that aren’t successful. I don’t understand why folk are saying because copps appointed him he needs to leave.
It’s just nonsense

Butler, Wellens Mcsheffery or Schofield  which one do you mean ?

[Campsall rover]

Every club makes appointments that aren’t successful. I don’t understand why folk are saying because copps appointed him he needs to leave.
It’s just nonsense

So long as Copps was in agreement that DS had to go.
If he still wants DS to stay then his position becomes untenable also.

[Tommy A]

Head of football is just a link between the board and the football side.
The board aren’t football people so it’s a sensible approach.
One poor season doesn’t mean we have to change everything

So those people who are saying that he is in charge of recruitment are wrong?

[DD]

Copps should move aside and become “Club Ambassador” - meet & greet in players lounge etc.
The club cannot afford a HOF & manager - it doubles the wage bill.

[danumdon]

Head of football is just a link between the board and the football side.
The board aren’t football people so it’s a sensible approach.
One poor season doesn’t mean we have to change everything

But this is the thing, we do need to change and if you are making a change make it a proper one which in this case should include a clear out of all vestiges of this failed regime.

Ive always said that James should never have taken this type of role, as a club legend he should of been shielded from the firing line, this job with the reduced and sustainable budget just threw him to the wolves. Im sure a more suitable job could and should be found for him, he should not be the fall guy for the failed coach and poor player acquisition, we all know who should be falling on his sward, if we want to ever be successful again then that needs to happen.

[dickos1]

Every club makes appointments that aren’t successful. I don’t understand why folk are saying because copps appointed him he needs to leave.
It’s just nonsense

Butler, Wellens Mcsheffery or Schofield  which one do you mean ?

Well as copps only appointed one of them, you should be able to work it out

[dickos1]

Head of football is just a link between the board and the football side.
The board aren’t football people so it’s a sensible approach.
One poor season doesn’t mean we have to change everything

So those people who are saying that he is in charge of recruitment are wrong?

He’s involved in recruitment he’s not in charge of it

[dickos1]

Head of football is just a link between the board and the football side.
The board aren’t football people so it’s a sensible approach.
One poor season doesn’t mean we have to change everything

But this is the thing, we do need to change and if you are making a change make it a proper one which in this case should include a clear out of all vestiges of this failed regime.

Ive always said that James should never have taken this type of role, as a club legend he should of been shielded from the firing line, this job with the reduced and sustainable budget just threw him to the wolves. Im sure a more suitable job could and should be found for him, he should not be the fall guy for the failed coach and poor player acquisition, we all know who should be falling on his sward, if we want to ever be successful again then that needs to happen.

It’s rubbish though, majority of clubs every season every season sack their manager. It doesn’t mean everything else needs to be changed 

[GazLaz]

Head of football is just a link between the board and the football side.
The board aren’t football people so it’s a sensible approach.
One poor season doesn’t mean we have to change everything

So those people who are saying that he is in charge of recruitment are wrong?

He’s involved in recruitment he’s not in charge of it

Who is?

[pib]

Head of football is just a link between the board and the football side.
The board aren’t football people so it’s a sensible approach.
One poor season doesn’t mean we have to change everything

So those people who are saying that he is in charge of recruitment are wrong?

He’s involved in recruitment he’s not in charge of it

Who is?

I can't answer this, but I did hear Schofield in his post-Walsall interview mention a "head of recruitment" - I did find that curious as I wasn't aware we had one. And the way he said it did suggest this was a separate role/person to the HOF. I can't find any reference to a Head of Recruitment on the club's website, nearest role would be Head Scout, which is Michael Cairney:

https://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/teams/first-team/coaching-staff/michael-cairney/

[steve@dcfd]

Listening to DS last interview with radio sheffield he said there are group of people involved manager, HOF, recruitment, even the sports scientist as his say. If DS didn’t want the player he would say no. So it’s done by committee it appears.
Therefore bringing in an experienced manager I would suspect that would stop he should have the final say and if he knows players he will get in touch with them.

[danumdon]

Head of football is just a link between the board and the football side.
The board aren’t football people so it’s a sensible approach.
One poor season doesn’t mean we have to change everything

But this is the thing, we do need to change and if you are making a change make it a proper one which in this case should include a clear out of all vestiges of this failed regime.

Ive always said that James should never have taken this type of role, as a club legend he should of been shielded from the firing line, this job with the reduced and sustainable budget just threw him to the wolves. Im sure a more suitable job could and should be found for him, he should not be the fall guy for the failed coach and poor player acquisition, we all know who should be falling on his sward, if we want to ever be successful again then that needs to happen.

It’s rubbish though, majority of clubs every season every season sack their manager. It doesn’t mean everything else needs to be changed 

I think you'll find that plenty on here don't think its rubbish, and are well aware that behind the scenes has been an utter disaster for us going back to before McCann was last here.

This whole sorry episode has not been the sole project of a young and inexperienced coach, plenty of others have a major bearing on our failure, when are their P45's being produced?

[dickos1]

Head of football is just a link between the board and the football side.
The board aren’t football people so it’s a sensible approach.
One poor season doesn’t mean we have to change everything

But this is the thing, we do need to change and if you are making a change make it a proper one which in this case should include a clear out of all vestiges of this failed regime.

Ive always said that James should never have taken this type of role, as a club legend he should of been shielded from the firing line, this job with the reduced and sustainable budget just threw him to the wolves. Im sure a more suitable job could and should be found for him, he should not be the fall guy for the failed coach and poor player acquisition, we all know who should be falling on his sward, if we want to ever be successful again then that needs to happen.

It’s rubbish though, majority of clubs every season every season sack their manager. It doesn’t mean everything else needs to be changed 

I think you'll find that plenty on here don't think its rubbish, and are well aware that behind the scenes has been an utter disaster for us going back to before McCann was last here.

This whole sorry episode has not been the sole project of a young and inexperienced coach, plenty of others have a major bearing on our failure, when are their P45's being produced?

Coppinger has been in his role about a year, so he’s had nothing to do with anything before mccann was here last.

[danumdon]

Head of football is just a link between the board and the football side.
The board aren’t football people so it’s a sensible approach.
One poor season doesn’t mean we have to change everything

But this is the thing, we do need to change and if you are making a change make it a proper one which in this case should include a clear out of all vestiges of this failed regime.

Ive always said that James should never have taken this type of role, as a club legend he should of been shielded from the firing line, this job with the reduced and sustainable budget just threw him to the wolves. Im sure a more suitable job could and should be found for him, he should not be the fall guy for the failed coach and poor player acquisition, we all know who should be falling on his sward, if we want to ever be successful again then that needs to happen.

It’s rubbish though, majority of clubs every season every season sack their manager. It doesn’t mean everything else needs to be changed 

I think you'll find that plenty on here don't think its rubbish, and are well aware that behind the scenes has been an utter disaster for us going back to before McCann was last here.

This whole sorry episode has not been the sole project of a young and inexperienced coach, plenty of others have a major bearing on our failure, when are their P45's being produced?

Coppinger has been in his role about a year, so he’s had nothing to do with anything before mccann was here last.

Did you actually read my post?

Most  would of deduced that I was talking about individuals other than JC.

[dickos1]

There’s a recruitment team that decide on targets and which ones to pursue,
Then the head coach gets the final decision

[dickos1]

Head of football is just a link between the board and the football side.
The board aren’t football people so it’s a sensible approach.
One poor season doesn’t mean we have to change everything

But this is the thing, we do need to change and if you are making a change make it a proper one which in this case should include a clear out of all vestiges of this failed regime.

Ive always said that James should never have taken this type of role, as a club legend he should of been shielded from the firing line, this job with the reduced and sustainable budget just threw him to the wolves. Im sure a more suitable job could and should be found for him, he should not be the fall guy for the failed coach and poor player acquisition, we all know who should be falling on his sward, if we want to ever be successful again then that needs to happen.

It’s rubbish though, majority of clubs every season every season sack their manager. It doesn’t mean everything else needs to be changed 

I think you'll find that plenty on here don't think its rubbish, and are well aware that behind the scenes has been an utter disaster for us going back to before McCann was last here.

This whole sorry episode has not been the sole project of a young and inexperienced coach, plenty of others have a major bearing on our failure, when are their P45's being produced?

Coppinger has been in his role about a year, so he’s had nothing to do with anything before mccann was here last.

Did you actually read my post?

Most  would of deduced that I was talking about individuals other than JC.

I was talking about coppinger and you replied to that