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[danumdon]

Interesting to see labour have agreed with this move.  I'm sure bst will say they've run out of ideas also then?

Have you got a link to that. I haven't seen it.

I saw it pop up on twitter so have had to look for it.  Found it at the below link from parliament.  I'm quite surprised how tough labour appear to want to be on immigration.

https://twitter.com/jrc1921/status/1661482036778135552?t=tnWL8rIWsrn0b7TET8C6ng&s=19

Thanks BFYP.

That's a very, very bad call from Labour.

I'm torn, I see your original point in a way but I'm not convinced it should be an open door for students plus families.

Politically labour probably has more to gain from the move than objecting it.  But I don't see how minimising immigration aligns with some of the other things they have said and this is a problem with labour strategy a little, it feels a bit disjointed and contradictory at times.

Sounds a bit more like trying to out Tory the Tories every day. You know the more i hear from The leadership and the front bench the more i think they really are just making it up as they go along.

Why would you try to "out do" a Tory party that has demonstrated for long enough that they are clean out of policies that will or would have a bearing on improving the lot of your average Brit, never mind overseas students.

Just what kind of people now run the Labour Party policy development unit? it now looks like its got to the point where they don't even need to treat the populace with any aspirational or radical policies because of the state of the current political climate.

Does anyone have one iota of a clue what they are likely to present to the nation if they take control?

[BillyStubbsTears]

The problem Labour has is that the one and only way they get to lose next year is if the Tory's can hit them with "Remember how much Corbyn 'hated England'? Starmer is as bad."

I put 'hated England' in quotes because this is a brilliantly effective political trap.

Any truly honest person would accept that there are aspects of their national character and history to be proud of, and others not to be proud of. But the Right does a job of equating ANY criticism of country as treachery and hating of the country. Corbyn was too wrapped up in his own brand of politics to even understand that. So he dived into the trap at every opportunity (would he kneel before the Queen, would he trust our security services word over Putin's on the Skripal attack, would he criticise Putin in Syria when it might divert attention from what Britain had done in Iraq, etc etc).

By the time he'd finished, Corbyn was dead easy to brand as a hater of England.

Starmer's been absolutely determined not to fall into those traps. The argument is that, on a topic where the Right and the Right wing press dominate the agenda (immigrants are bad, therefore anyone who supports immigrants is an enemy of England) it's impossible to have a nuanced debate. So Labour has to be seen to be hard on the subject, in order to shut it down as a potential Tory attack line.

Do I like that. Absolutely not. But genuinely, what is the alternative?

[Sprotyrover]

I said it before Labour do not want to be the next Government, they are very good at spending other people’s money and there are no Tory piggy banks left to plunder, plus they will find our Credit is maxed out.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I said it before Labour do not want to be the next Government, they are very good at spending other people’s money and there are no Tory piggy banks left to plunder, plus they will find our Credit is maxed out.

All of which shows how little you know of either politics or economics. Just trotting out tired, right wing lines that were never true even when they were fresh.

[Sprotyrover]

The current crowd on the Labour front bench would do well on the 70’s show the Comedians

[BillyStubbsTears]

Goodness, is that the time?