Retained List Confirmed

[craigdrfc]

Ravenhill, Jones and  Seaman are total wastes of money and I see no reason if offering them anything. Every other decision is bang on the money.

I think Jones and possibly Seaman will try and get themselves another club. Both will probably know they wont get much game time here.

[Ryaldinhio]

Let's hope there's conversations ongoing to mutually end Taylors millstone of a deal. Puts in to context how decent Tomlin's decision was to retire - he could have gone off injured and played golf on our wage bill. Hopefully Taylor will do the same and the club can negotiate him out. Every pound we spend on him is a pound wasted.

Why should he?  How would you react if injured at work your employer wanted to sack you?  These aren't premier league footballers with millions in the bank.

I hope he gets fit and comes back for us, having chatted to him he wants nothing more than to be playing each week, very different to those who aren't motivated by the sport any more.

Good idea, let's keep a player that is rarely fit enough to play, and when he manages the odd game is abjectly poor. He might still talk a good game, but his legs are long gone. If I wasn't able to do my job 90% of the time I would expect to lose my job, as would we all.

Even if the reason you couldn't do your job was because you were injured at work?

Daft statement.

Bleeding hearts aside, I don't think anyone can make a good footballing case to keep Taylor. He's lost his pace, his shooting is unbelievably poor, his end product on delivery is unbelievably poor, I can't remember his last goal, his last assist, his last meaningful contribution. He makes a few bang-average performances a season. I can't understand where this view that we owe him a living comes from, he's taking up decent wages we could spend on an actual player. He's been a crock since he joined and that gets worse each year. He needs to go.

100% agree

The only worrying thing for me of all the media in the last week was McCann mentioning Taylor as a character. So we will keep paying him 4k a week, 200k next yr to play a handful of games?

No one at the club is on anywhere near 4 grand a week.
Where is that coming from?

It was in the players wages list in the Free Press before Xmas. Taylor was top on £4,000, Clayton was second on £3,500, most others were £2,500 - £1,800

https://salarysport.com/football/sky-bet-league-two/doncaster-rovers/

[Ryaldinhio]

Let's hope there's conversations ongoing to mutually end Taylors millstone of a deal. Puts in to context how decent Tomlin's decision was to retire - he could have gone off injured and played golf on our wage bill. Hopefully Taylor will do the same and the club can negotiate him out. Every pound we spend on him is a pound wasted.

Why should he?  How would you react if injured at work your employer wanted to sack you?  These aren't premier league footballers with millions in the bank.

I hope he gets fit and comes back for us, having chatted to him he wants nothing more than to be playing each week, very different to those who aren't motivated by the sport any more.

Good idea, let's keep a player that is rarely fit enough to play, and when he manages the odd game is abjectly poor. He might still talk a good game, but his legs are long gone. If I wasn't able to do my job 90% of the time I would expect to lose my job, as would we all.

Even if the reason you couldn't do your job was because you were injured at work?

Daft statement.

Bleeding hearts aside, I don't think anyone can make a good footballing case to keep Taylor. He's lost his pace, his shooting is unbelievably poor, his end product on delivery is unbelievably poor, I can't remember his last goal, his last assist, his last meaningful contribution. He makes a few bang-average performances a season. I can't understand where this view that we owe him a living comes from, he's taking up decent wages we could spend on an actual player. He's been a crock since he joined and that gets worse each year. He needs to go.

100% agree

The only worrying thing for me of all the media in the last week was McCann mentioning Taylor as a character. So we will keep paying him 4k a week, 200k next yr to play a handful of games?

He has contract for another year like Griffiths and Lavery you just can’t get rid of players. If Taylor can get fit then we might see a good player again.

I understand that, I haven't said we can get rid, I said we will keep paying him.

I agree if we can get him fit he could be a good player but I can't see it.

[dickos1]

Let's hope there's conversations ongoing to mutually end Taylors millstone of a deal. Puts in to context how decent Tomlin's decision was to retire - he could have gone off injured and played golf on our wage bill. Hopefully Taylor will do the same and the club can negotiate him out. Every pound we spend on him is a pound wasted.

Why should he?  How would you react if injured at work your employer wanted to sack you?  These aren't premier league footballers with millions in the bank.

I hope he gets fit and comes back for us, having chatted to him he wants nothing more than to be playing each week, very different to those who aren't motivated by the sport any more.

Good idea, let's keep a player that is rarely fit enough to play, and when he manages the odd game is abjectly poor. He might still talk a good game, but his legs are long gone. If I wasn't able to do my job 90% of the time I would expect to lose my job, as would we all.

Even if the reason you couldn't do your job was because you were injured at work?

Daft statement.

Bleeding hearts aside, I don't think anyone can make a good footballing case to keep Taylor. He's lost his pace, his shooting is unbelievably poor, his end product on delivery is unbelievably poor, I can't remember his last goal, his last assist, his last meaningful contribution. He makes a few bang-average performances a season. I can't understand where this view that we owe him a living comes from, he's taking up decent wages we could spend on an actual player. He's been a crock since he joined and that gets worse each year. He needs to go.

100% agree

The only worrying thing for me of all the media in the last week was McCann mentioning Taylor as a character. So we will keep paying him 4k a week, 200k next yr to play a handful of games?

No one at the club is on anywhere near 4 grand a week.
Where is that coming from?

It was in the players wages list in the Free Press before Xmas. Taylor was top on £4,000, Clayton was second on £3,500, most others were £2,500 - £1,800

https://salarysport.com/football/sky-bet-league-two/doncaster-rovers/

Made up rubbish that,
Obviously Barlow wasn’t on almost a grand a week more than Anderson

[idler]

Ravenhill, Jones and  Seaman are total wastes of money and I see no reason if offering them anything. Every other decision is bang on the money.

Maybe Grant think that (a) he can improve them and (b) they can be useful players in his squad. Sadly no player played to his full potential last season. I would hope and expect our new management team to get at least 25% more out of all last season’s squad.

[DearneValleyRover]

We haven’t started pre season yet and GM has stated the players need to be supremely fit, it wouldn’t surprise me if some of the contracted players are transfer listed before the season starts

[Campsall rover]

Let's hope there's conversations ongoing to mutually end Taylors millstone of a deal. Puts in to context how decent Tomlin's decision was to retire - he could have gone off injured and played golf on our wage bill. Hopefully Taylor will do the same and the club can negotiate him out. Every pound we spend on him is a pound wasted.

Why should he?  How would you react if injured at work your employer wanted to sack you?  These aren't premier league footballers with millions in the bank.

I hope he gets fit and comes back for us, having chatted to him he wants nothing more than to be playing each week, very different to those who aren't motivated by the sport any more.

Good idea, let's keep a player that is rarely fit enough to play, and when he manages the odd game is abjectly poor. He might still talk a good game, but his legs are long gone. If I wasn't able to do my job 90% of the time I would expect to lose my job, as would we all.

Even if the reason you couldn't do your job was because you were injured at work?

Daft statement.

Bleeding hearts aside, I don't think anyone can make a good footballing case to keep Taylor. He's lost his pace, his shooting is unbelievably poor, his end product on delivery is unbelievably poor, I can't remember his last goal, his last assist, his last meaningful contribution. He makes a few bang-average performances a season. I can't understand where this view that we owe him a living comes from, he's taking up decent wages we could spend on an actual player. He's been a crock since he joined and that gets worse each year. He needs to go.

100% agree

The only worrying thing for me of all the media in the last week was McCann mentioning Taylor as a character. So we will keep paying him 4k a week, 200k next yr to play a handful of games?

No one at the club is on anywhere near 4 grand a week.
Where is that coming from?

It was in the players wages list in the Free Press before Xmas. Taylor was top on £4,000, Clayton was second on £3,500, most others were £2,500 - £1,800

https://salarysport.com/football/sky-bet-league-two/doncaster-rovers/

That is as dickos said total made up rubbish. 100% it is
Whoever printed that wants a serious look at himself. 
I hope the club have said something to the Free press about it because it is embarrassing that our local rag can publish such utter made up tripe.
Yes I think rag is the right word.
Shocking lazy journalism of the highest order.

[StocksArmy]

Ravenhill, Jones and  Seaman are total wastes of money and I see no reason if offering them anything. Every other decision is bang on the money.

Maybe Grant think that (a) he can improve them and (b) they can be useful players in his squad. Sadly no player played to his full potential last season. I would hope and expect our new management team to get at least 25% more out of all last season’s squad.

He obviously thinks he can improve them but I guarentee none of them will be his first choice. I personally dont think any of them are L2 standard. At a push maybe Seaman but not for a promotion chasing team. I hope i eat my hat this time next year.

[Campsall rover]

Bit surprised Ravenhill and Seaman have been offered new deals to be honest.
Grant has obviously seen something in them. No more than squad players unless they improve massively.

Just don’t see Liam being physically strong enough. Yes he likes a tackle but he is still very lightweight in physique.

Seaman is not good enough as an out and out full back.
As a wing back he has possibilities but only as a back up at this level.
At present he is lower National League Club level imo.

[Draytonian III]

If Jones does leave and finds another club I think it will be a higher ranked club than Mitchell’s new club, mainly because he’s a better player. Just like Maorsi and Lawler, Shrewsbury first choice and Dundee second choice

[roversdude]

Had Ravenhill already been offered a deal before GM returned as it seemed to happen quickly

[dickos1]

We need back up for every position, I don’t understand how people can’t see that. We’re signing 8 quality players and these players will be back up, given an opportunity to impress when they get their chance. You can’t have 25 players that are all top quality league 1 and 2 players.

[StocksArmy]

We need back up for every position, I don’t understand how people can’t see that. We’re signing 8 quality players and these players will be back up, given an opportunity to impress when they get their chance. You can’t have 25 players that are all top quality league 1 and 2 players.

Nobody is saying that. We are saying from what we have seen from these players we see them as National League standard back up players which wont get us where we want to be if we are again blighted by injuries. Anyone who believes these are good L2 backup players has been drinking too much juice whilst watching our games. Too many people on here forgive the players for the last 2 seasons and put all the blame on the fact that they were managed poorly. The same people who have banged on about recruiting poorly but now McCann is the manager they support the decision to give them a chance. Its a fickle sport is football. My mind wont be changed on these players until I see them perform consistently against good teams in this league. Thats IF they get their chance in the team.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

Let's hope there's conversations ongoing to mutually end Taylors millstone of a deal. Puts in to context how decent Tomlin's decision was to retire - he could have gone off injured and played golf on our wage bill. Hopefully Taylor will do the same and the club can negotiate him out. Every pound we spend on him is a pound wasted.

Why should he?  How would you react if injured at work your employer wanted to sack you?  These aren't premier league footballers with millions in the bank.

I hope he gets fit and comes back for us, having chatted to him he wants nothing more than to be playing each week, very different to those who aren't motivated by the sport any more.

Good idea, let's keep a player that is rarely fit enough to play, and when he manages the odd game is abjectly poor. He might still talk a good game, but his legs are long gone. If I wasn't able to do my job 90% of the time I would expect to lose my job, as would we all.

Even if the reason you couldn't do your job was because you were injured at work?

Daft statement.

Bleeding hearts aside, I don't think anyone can make a good footballing case to keep Taylor. He's lost his pace, his shooting is unbelievably poor, his end product on delivery is unbelievably poor, I can't remember his last goal, his last assist, his last meaningful contribution. He makes a few bang-average performances a season. I can't understand where this view that we owe him a living comes from, he's taking up decent wages we could spend on an actual player. He's been a crock since he joined and that gets worse each year. He needs to go.

100% agree

The only worrying thing for me of all the media in the last week was McCann mentioning Taylor as a character. So we will keep paying him 4k a week, 200k next yr to play a handful of games?

No one at the club is on anywhere near 4 grand a week.
Where is that coming from?

It was in the players wages list in the Free Press before Xmas. Taylor was top on £4,000, Clayton was second on £3,500, most others were £2,500 - £1,800

https://salarysport.com/football/sky-bet-league-two/doncaster-rovers/

That is as dickos said total made up rubbish. 100% it is
Whoever printed that wants a serious look at himself. 
I hope the club have said something to the Free press about it because it is embarrassing that our local rag can publish such utter made up tripe.
Yes I think rag is the right word.
Shocking lazy journalism of the highest order.

It's not a locally produced article. It's a nationally produced item of clickbait published by each paper in the group and made to look of local interest.

Similar articles include top attendances, where your club ranks etc.

[graingrover]

Reading this thread as a fairly typical Viokings forum one you can see why John Ryan is trying to turn moaners into supporters .

[Campsall rover]

Let's hope there's conversations ongoing to mutually end Taylors millstone of a deal. Puts in to context how decent Tomlin's decision was to retire - he could have gone off injured and played golf on our wage bill. Hopefully Taylor will do the same and the club can negotiate him out. Every pound we spend on him is a pound wasted.

Why should he?  How would you react if injured at work your employer wanted to sack you?  These aren't premier league footballers with millions in the bank.

I hope he gets fit and comes back for us, having chatted to him he wants nothing more than to be playing each week, very different to those who aren't motivated by the sport any more.

Good idea, let's keep a player that is rarely fit enough to play, and when he manages the odd game is abjectly poor. He might still talk a good game, but his legs are long gone. If I wasn't able to do my job 90% of the time I would expect to lose my job, as would we all.

Even if the reason you couldn't do your job was because you were injured at work?

Daft statement.

Bleeding hearts aside, I don't think anyone can make a good footballing case to keep Taylor. He's lost his pace, his shooting is unbelievably poor, his end product on delivery is unbelievably poor, I can't remember his last goal, his last assist, his last meaningful contribution. He makes a few bang-average performances a season. I can't understand where this view that we owe him a living comes from, he's taking up decent wages we could spend on an actual player. He's been a crock since he joined and that gets worse each year. He needs to go.

100% agree

The only worrying thing for me of all the media in the last week was McCann mentioning Taylor as a character. So we will keep paying him 4k a week, 200k next yr to play a handful of games?

No one at the club is on anywhere near 4 grand a week.
Where is that coming from?

It was in the players wages list in the Free Press before Xmas. Taylor was top on £4,000, Clayton was second on £3,500, most others were £2,500 - £1,800

https://salarysport.com/football/sky-bet-league-two/doncaster-rovers/

That is as dickos said total made up rubbish. 100% it is
Whoever printed that wants a serious look at himself. 
I hope the club have said something to the Free press about it because it is embarrassing that our local rag can publish such utter made up tripe.
Yes I think rag is the right word.
Shocking lazy journalism of the highest order.

It's not a locally produced article. It's a nationally produced item of clickbait published by each paper in the group and made to look of local interest.

Similar articles include top attendances, where your club ranks etc.

Whatever it is it is total rubbish.
They should check the facts before publishing it.  Wherever it originated from.

Some of the players would be looking at those figures with aghast.  They would be thinking if only !!!

[sedwardsdrfc]

I don’t mind him offering Seaman, Jones and Ravenhill new deals. The wage offered would be low so they may well decide not to take it. Remember everyone who played under DS looked awful it wasn’t really about individuals.

Seaman can be cover at full back and winger for both sides of the pitch which over a season is very handy. Jones imo is a decent number 2 but expect he will leave. Ravenhill needs to go have a good loan laying 90min every week. Then he could be a player we are glad we kept

[Sammy Chung was King]

I have faith in the new manager but for me those three’s wages could pay for one better quality player that might make the difference. We need a squad where people are uncertain if they will start unless they perform well.

 Those three put no real pressure on a player that is starting games. Wasted money in my opinion. Sure McCann knows what he’s doing.

[ncRover]

Remember we’ve got League, FA cup, League cup and Papa John’s trophy Sammy. That and the inevitable injuries.

[number19]

Has anyone seen any news on last seasons rejects? Don't think I've seen them crop up anywhere which isn't too surprising.

Senior players released at the end of their contract
Kieran Agard
Aidan Barlow
Jonathan Mitchell
Ro-Shaun Williams

Released but invited back for pre-season training
Ollie Younger

Senior players made available for transfer
Reo Griffiths
Caolan Lavery

[RugbyRover]

Has anyone seen any news on last seasons rejects? Don't think I've seen them crop up anywhere which isn't too surprising.

Senior players released at the end of their contract
Kieran Agard
Aidan Barlow
Jonathan Mitchell
Ro-Shaun Williams

Released but invited back for pre-season training
Ollie Younger

Senior players made available for transfer
Reo Griffiths
Caolan Lavery

I thought I saw Mitchell outside the ground trying to catch a Bus but.........

[danumdon]

I think quite a few in this thread need to get real with their opinions on some of last seasons players.

We can't have a squad of 25 players who are all of the same high standard, for one we can't afford it and you can also guarantee that within a couple of months the atmosphere and moral in the squad would be shattered because players not feeling they are getting the rub of the green.

GM is no mug, he knows that to build a squad with harmony and discipline in its midst you will always have better players supplemented by players who you hope can reach the same level as the first choice and challenge them for the position.

The remaining players who are retained from last season, primarily as squad players need to be given a fresh start under the new regime. They know that we know they mostly underperformed last season due to a combination of team tactics and players not hitting their straps. I'd say virtually every player from last season know in their heart they underperformed and would now be busting a gut to prove the manager was right in keeping them.

There's a very good possibility that they will all perform to a much higher standard this coming season under the new regime.

The squad looks to have a decent quota of players who will perform under GM, all will benefit.

[Colin C No.3]

As alluded to by danumdon, we’re a Lg2 club whose manager has to ‘pad out’ his squad with players (aka Charlie Seaman, Liam Ravenhill) that have shown glimpses of potential & realise this is a make or break season for them when they’re called on to play.

We have cup competitions (some more important than others regarding potential revenue) where we may need to rest players if we’re in a good position in the league, so it makes sense to have ‘decent players’ to call on in those situations.

It’s still only June & I think most supporters are pleased (you’ll always get the usual negative poster graingrover) with the type of player Grant has thus far brought in.

We’ve been told there are more to come & if we can compliment the squad with ‘useful loanees’ (i.e. not some speed merchant whose hair makes up a third of his total body weight!) then I feel we’re more than good to go.

P.S. Reading my post back I wasn’t inferring graingrover was one of the sites moaners! I was referring to a post he had made earlier regarding ‘negative posts’.

My advice is don’t take them ‘as read’, skim read & move on as I do with the DFP.

[Alan Southstand]

We’ve been told there are more to come & if we can compliment the squad with ‘useful loanees’ (i.e. not some speed merchant whose hair makes up a third of his total body weight!) then I feel we’re more than good to go.

Where have we been told there are more to come? I’ve seen GM quoted as saying up to 8, but maybe that was reference to contracted players.
I think we possibly may need a couple more, but I’ve seen nothing to suggest that’s going to happen.

There have been murmurings of no ‘marquee’ signings, to date, but others have deflected this by suggesting Wood is a marquee signing. He probably would have been if he’d been a few years younger, maybe.
We’ve been pretty good at sorting players that fit where we’ve had a weakness and that gives me some comfort, but there’s always room for a bit of extra quality in any lower league side and some of our competitors seem to have addressed that issue, to a fair degree.
In summary, good progress made so far, but room for a bit of gloss, maybe towards the end of pre-season?