Everton

[Branton Rover]

Not really been following it closely but what have they actually done exactly, other than creative accountancy? If they are guilty of 1 financial breach equates to -10 points. How many points deduction will Man City receive for their alleged discrepancies? Imo I don’t think the FA have the balls to take on Manchester City’s ownership
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[drfchound]

I think I heard it right on the news.
Something like they are allowed to lose £100m over three seasons but they have lost £20m more than that so have broken the financial rules.
There are are other PL clubs under investigation for similar offences, noteably Man City.

[roversdude]

How can a business be allowed to lose £100m per year jeez.
Bet the other clubs are bricking it

[essexrover]

How can a business be allowed to lose £100m per year jeez.
Bet the other clubs are bricking it

It's actually over three years, but still ridiculous !

[ForsolongaRover]

Not really been following it closely but what have they actually done exactly, other than creative accountancy? If they are guilty of 1 financial breach equates to -10 points. How many points deduction will Man City receive for their alleged discrepancies? Imo I don’t think the FA have the balls to take on Manchester City’s ownership
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https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11679/12804623/man-city-premier-league-charges-explained-what-are-they-what-could-punishment-be-whats-the-timescale
- is an Article on the subject. I expect that there will be a fairly elaborate defence to each, all of which will have to be examined to verify the underlying facts. You can then add can add the  possibility of deliberate obfuscation to muddy the waters. There will no doubt introduce legal arguments about the rules themselves and you can multiply this by as much as 100+. So lots of investigation to examine the credibility of the defence (legal and factual) which is probably still going on before it reaches the stage of a Hearing and Decision which will be appealed. The PL lawyers and financial professionals  will need one eye on how that might be handled as they prepare for Stage 1. And you can bet that these two clubs will have an outline plan for their strategy at the Appeal hearing mapped out from the start.

[rich1471]

They were allowed to put down the loss of money due to player sales in COVID that did not happen but Everton over exaggerated the players values

[sedwardsdrfc]

Doesn’t feel right how quickly it seems to have happened for Everton when the most obvious example of it is City who have over 100 charges but still haven’t had any punishment.

For fairness I’d like all historic cases to be resolved on the same date. Points and punishments for all offenders issued in the same season then draw a line under it and do a much better job of policing it in the present from then on.

Really hope city get a huge punishment like relegation to national league but I can’t see it. It’ll be a case of if you can afford the best accountants and lawyers you can do what you want.

[i_ateallthepies]

Doesn’t feel right how quickly it seems to have happened for Everton when the most obvious example of it is City who have over 100 charges but still haven’t had any punishment.

For fairness I’d like all historic cases to be resolved on the same date. Points and punishments for all offenders issued in the same season then draw a line under it and do a much better job of policing it in the present from then on.

Really hope city get a huge punishment like relegation to national league but I can’t see it. It’ll be a case of if you can afford the best accountants and lawyers you can do what you want.

Agreed, sedwards.  Alternatively, the strategy may be to establish precedent on one of the less wealthy clubs and then use it on the big boys.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

Doesn’t feel right how quickly it seems to have happened for Everton when the most obvious example of it is City who have over 100 charges but still haven’t had any punishment.

For fairness I’d like all historic cases to be resolved on the same date. Points and punishments for all offenders issued in the same season then draw a line under it and do a much better job of policing it in the present from then on.

Really hope city get a huge punishment like relegation to national league but I can’t see it. It’ll be a case of if you can afford the best accountants and lawyers you can do what you want.

Good points. I really think the whole FFP concept and the financial monitoring processes need a complete rethink however, this would have an impact on world football and I doubt FIFA will be quick in addressing this very soon.

Unfortunately, as it stands, those who want to gain advantage by exploiting loopholes will always be ahead of the authorities, unless the whole rules are simplified and 'real time' monitoring can be achieved.

The forensic financial reporting and investigations take way too long to bring clubs to account and sanction them in the relevant period. Punishments are not fitting the crimes.

As always, prevention is better than cure.

[dickos1]

Doesn’t feel right how quickly it seems to have happened for Everton when the most obvious example of it is City who have over 100 charges but still haven’t had any punishment.

For fairness I’d like all historic cases to be resolved on the same date. Points and punishments for all offenders issued in the same season then draw a line under it and do a much better job of policing it in the present from then on.

Really hope city get a huge punishment like relegation to national league but I can’t see it. It’ll be a case of if you can afford the best accountants and lawyers you can do what you want.

Everton only had one charge though.
As you say Man City have 140 charges.
The investigation into those 140 charges is obviously going to take longer than 1 charge.

[belton rover]

If Everton have been punished for losing too much money during a period where they have been fighting relegation continuously, then what does that say about Man City and football in general? They have won everything and are simply a winning machine. When such incredible success can’t at least balance the books, there is something very, very wrong.
I think we are becoming closer and closer to the game imploding.

[roversdude]

Can imagine Leicester, Southampton and Leeds are lining up to take action

[ravenrover]

Leicester! who cheated fair play or whatever it is called, to get promotion from Champ to PL and then went on to win a title and received a fine!
I'm no Everton fan but it looks to me loke they have been hung out to dry as an advance warning of what is to come
Bournemouth who did the same only got a fine!

[ForsolongaRover]

Doesn’t feel right how quickly it seems to have happened for Everton when the most obvious example of it is City who have over 100 charges but still haven’t had any punishment.

For fairness I’d like all historic cases to be resolved on the same date. Points and punishments for all offenders issued in the same season then draw a line under it and do a much better job of policing it in the present from then on.

Really hope city get a huge punishment like relegation to national league but I can’t see it. It’ll be a case of if you can afford the best accountants and lawyers you can do what you want.

Agreed, sedwards.  Alternatively, the strategy may be to establish precedent on one of the less wealthy clubs and then use it on the big boys.

The Scots did it Rangers a few years back!

[DonnyBazR0ver]

The whole thing is a minefield with different ways of falsifying income to cook the books to enable higher spending limits vs expenditure.

False sponsorships from spoof offshore companies is a means clubs, not just Man City, including Sheff Wednesday, have used to cook the books plus also inflating the value of assests, eg players values and stadiums etc.

Amongst other things, I think there needs to be a redefinition of what legitimate income should be v those that aren't.

There's already talk of increasing the prize money to elite clubs, which will just increase the incentive for the corrupt and widen the gap from top to bottom.

Sporting integrity was lost sometime ago and unless we see Man City, Chelsea and others severely punished and the rules change, there will be more relegations decided in the court room than on the pitch.

[TheFunk]

Apparently some of Man City's charges include things such as the grass being too long and the soft drinks being flat. So not all charges are financial.

[rich1471]

Apparently some of Man City's charges include things such as the grass being too long and the soft drinks being flat. So not all charges are financial.

is that true the grass is to long did they get out a ruler and measure it