England v Denmark

[StocksArmy]

Gallagher will start next game in place of TAA. I would bet my life on it. Had we performed better last night we could have given much needed rests to all of our big players in the last game. I just don't understand how a team so full of quality can perform as badly as that and that is why this will all fall at Southgates feet. Yet another manager who can't get a tune from such a talented group. The FA really are garbage at choosing a manager.

[Filo]

If Southgate would have taken another CB thats worth playing, like the lad from Everton or Tomori, Stones could play where Trent played

[MachoMadness]

If Southgate would have taken another CB thats worth playing, like the lad from Everton or Tomori, Stones could play where Trent played

Let's not forget the Ben White situation, something odd going on there.

[sedwardsdrfc]

Stones can do that for city because they have 80% possession. It’d be more of a disaster than TAA playing there. The problem is we are too defensive so playing defenders in midfield mad.

We’ve reverted to England of old who’d only dare play technical players in midfield and push them out wide instead. If Foden was Spanish he’d play left of a 3 in midfield. But he’s not 6ft and not going to stand on the centre half’s toes so we stick him left wing.

[steve@dcfd]

Players in the squad who like threading passes but have no pace. A centre forward who likes to come deep and thread passes out wide to runners going past him only Saka is doing that no body on the left. Foden Bellingham Kane and Eze even palmer if selected is the same type of player all want to be in the space just outside the 18 yd box. Congestion and no idea. Without Rashford or Grealish then Gordon must be selected(I’m not sure he’s the answer but has pace). Our best results over the last 2/3 years have not come with Foden Bellingham and Saka in the same side. These players are overrated at international level. I’ve stuck up for Southgate because his record but last night was awful and his substitutes were not right. We play again on Tuesday the selection needs to be right mixture of skill and pace not team full of intricate footballers

[drfcsteve]

The comments from the players I wonder if he’s lost the dressing room a bit. Walker saying they all want to play attacking football (but they’re not allowed?), Kane basically saying they don’t know what they’re doing?

[Herbert Anchovy]

At the 1986 World Cup England started off badly with a defeat to Portugal (who in those days were a very poor side) and a draw with Morocco. The system that Bobby Robson was insisting that we played wasn't working. Following the 2nd game, the players persuaded Robson that he needed to change things for the final group game against Poland so he dropped Mark Hateley for Peter Beardsley and instructed his full backs to play more like wing backs and thus increasing our attacking threat. It worked and we won 3-0. Hopefully, the players this time around may have the same gumption to do something similar.

[dickos1]

The comments from the players I wonder if he’s lost the dressing room a bit. Walker saying they all want to play attacking football (but they’re not allowed?), Kane basically saying they don’t know what they’re doing?

Walker didn’t say that at all

He said the manager wants us to play free flowing attacking football
Those were his exact words

[Chris Black come back]

At the 1986 World Cup England started off badly with a defeat to Portugal (who in those days were a very poor side) and a draw with Morocco. The system that Bobby Robson was insisting that we played wasn't working. Following the 2nd game, the players persuaded Robson that he needed to change things for the final group game against Poland so he dropped Mark Hateley for Peter Beardsley and instructed his full backs to play more like wing backs and thus increasing our attacking threat. It worked and we won 3-0. Hopefully, the players this time around may have the same gumption to do something similar.

That story was 1990 also / instead I think. They persuaded him to go to playing with a sweeper.

[mushRTID]

The comments from the players I wonder if he’s lost the dressing room a bit. Walker saying they all want to play attacking football (but they’re not allowed?), Kane basically saying they don’t know what they’re doing?

Walker didn’t say that at all

He said the manager wants us to play free flowing attacking football
Those were his exact words

The manager is failing then isnt he.

[Lesonthewest]

It's like watching us first half of last season.

No pace.
No press.

No-one taking any responsibility.

Bang on Billy, said exactly the same. Saka receiving the ball facing OUR goal, then defending our box, was liking watching Mollineux do the same for us 18 months ago.

[Alan Southstand]

If it was a game in the football league, the supporters would be saying “he’s lost the dressing room”!

[Herbert Anchovy]

At the 1986 World Cup England started off badly with a defeat to Portugal (who in those days were a very poor side) and a draw with Morocco. The system that Bobby Robson was insisting that we played wasn't working. Following the 2nd game, the players persuaded Robson that he needed to change things for the final group game against Poland so he dropped Mark Hateley for Peter Beardsley and instructed his full backs to play more like wing backs and thus increasing our attacking threat. It worked and we won 3-0. Hopefully, the players this time around may have the same gumption to do something similar.

That story was 1990 also / instead I think. They persuaded him to go to playing with a sweeper.

Ah, you're probably right there fella.

[tyke1962]

The comments from the players I wonder if he’s lost the dressing room a bit. Walker saying they all want to play attacking football (but they’re not allowed?), Kane basically saying they don’t know what they’re doing?

Walker didn’t say that at all

He said the manager wants us to play free flowing attacking football
Those were his exact words

No he doesn't .

[sedwardsdrfc]

Southgate certainly doesn’t want us playing attacking football. At best it’s control the game by possession. Even if that means just playing sideways and backwards.

[dickos1]

The comments from the players I wonder if he’s lost the dressing room a bit. Walker saying they all want to play attacking football (but they’re not allowed?), Kane basically saying they don’t know what they’re doing?

Walker didn’t say that at all

He said the manager wants us to play free flowing attacking football
Those were his exact words

No he doesn't .

No he doesn’t what?
I’m just correcting what Walker said

[ChrisBx]

Yesterday was poor from England, there's no getting away from that. Southgate simply cannot persist with Trent in midfield again. In my view, it was illogical from the start and it makes us a weaker side. Personally, I'd bring in Mainoo or drop Bellingham into a deeper starting position while bringing Foden central too. We also need to utilise Palmer who is simply too good to be on 0 minutes so far.

I'm also becoming increasingly concerned about our fitness levels. At times in both games, we've looked absolutely f**ked. Perhaps it's something to keep an eye on over the next game or so (hoping we progress much further!) Not having a fit left back is another issue, however Tyrick Mitchell is probably the only one we could have considered.

All that said, we're unbeaten and top of the group with qualification all but guaranteed. This is despite being nowhere near our best so far. There's much more to come from this squad and I'm still hopeful of a successful tournament. Most successful sides have poor moments in tournaments - it's about how Southgate and the players identify the issues and rectify them. Roll on Slovenia!

[selby]

Argentina were lucky to get out of their group in the world cup, got hammered in the game against Holland and won an iffy penalty against France in the final.
  Were they the best side in the world? did they get calls on decisions because of Messi and the authorities wanting the perfect finish for South America? definitely not to the first Question, I think there was pressure on the officials to the second, was it corrupt? probably, is anybody bothered probably not.
  It is very likely the best team in the competition will not win the Euro's Home advantage and a decent but not outstanding team in Germany 

[scawsby steve]

At the 1986 World Cup England started off badly with a defeat to Portugal (who in those days were a very poor side) and a draw with Morocco. The system that Bobby Robson was insisting that we played wasn't working. Following the 2nd game, the players persuaded Robson that he needed to change things for the final group game against Poland so he dropped Mark Hateley for Peter Beardsley and instructed his full backs to play more like wing backs and thus increasing our attacking threat. It worked and we won 3-0. Hopefully, the players this time around may have the same gumption to do something similar.

All those details are right, Herbert, apart from the reasons. Bobby Robson was forced into those changes because of an injury to Brian Robson, and a red card for Ray Wilkins. The changes worked with a Lineker hat trick against Poland, and another 3-0 thumping of Paraguay.

Then came the QF and Maradona's unbelievable duping of the officials. I honestly believe we'd have beaten Argentina in extra time, and might possibly have gone on to win the World Cup.

[Dagenham Rover]

Then came the QF and Maradona's unbelievable duping of the officials. I honestly believe we'd have beaten Argentina in extra time, and might possibly have gone on to win the World Cup.

If only they had VAR ......................................................   it would have still stood