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Mr1Croft

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Hate to say I told you so...
« on April 24, 2011, 02:41:45 am by Mr1Croft »
I really do!!!

I made a thread shortly after Christmas about a statistic I found upon searching the tables of last few seasons for a 'tradition' One I found was the mid-table curse. Which was rubbished by people on here.

2002/03 season; Wimbledon claimed 10th position
2003/04 season; Wimbledon relegated, Nottingham Forest claimed 14th
2004/05 season; Forest relegated, Millwall claimed 10th
2005/06 season; Millwall relegated, Luton claimed 10th
2006/07 season; Luton relegated, Colchester claimed 10th
2007/08 season; Colchester relegated, Charlton claimed 11th
2008/09 season; Charlton relegated, Sheffield Wednesday claimed 12th
2009/10 season; Sheffield Wednesday relegated, Doncaster Rovers claimed 12th

Out of those in a relegation scrap, we are the only ones who were mid-table last season. Can we be the team to stop the curse, 10th seems the most popular, yet it has dipped to other positions in recent years, should we go down, this would have occured for 10 seasons.

Surely its not so easy to ignore now?



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The Red Baron

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Re: Hate to say I told you so...
« Reply #1 on April 24, 2011, 06:32:55 am by The Red Baron »
Preston were 17th last season and the Blunts were 8th. Do those count as mid-table?

Just when I was feeling a little more confident your post has made me worry again! :S

jonnydog

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Re: Hate to say I told you so...
« Reply #2 on April 24, 2011, 06:55:12 am by jonnydog »
Quote from: \"Mr1Croft\" post=152972
I really do!!!

I made a thread shortly after Christmas about a statistic I found upon searching the tables of last few seasons for a 'tradition' One I found was the mid-table curse. Which was rubbished by people on here.

2002/03 season; Wimbledon claimed 10th position
2003/04 season; Wimbledon relegated, Nottingham Forest claimed 14th
2004/05 season; Forest relegated, Millwall claimed 10th
2005/06 season; Millwall relegated, Luton claimed 10th
2006/07 season; Luton relegated, Colchester claimed 10th
2007/08 season; Colchester relegated, Charlton claimed 11th
2008/09 season; Charlton relegated, Sheffield Wednesday claimed 12th
2009/10 season; Sheffield Wednesday relegated, Doncaster Rovers claimed 12th

Out of those in a relegation scrap, we are the only ones who were mid-table last season. Can we be the team to stop the curse, 10th seems the most popular, yet it has dipped to other positions in recent years, should we go down, this would have occured for 10 seasons.

Surely its not so easy to ignore now?



Very Spooky, just shows you a pattern can be found when assessed.
... Lets just hope come May 7th you aren't telling us you told us so.  ;)

CusworthRovers

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Re: Hate to say I told you so...
« Reply #3 on April 24, 2011, 07:43:57 am by CusworthRovers »
I am confident Donny will be safe at 5pm tomorrow......or safe barring a genuine miracle from Scunny

DonnyRTID

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Re: Hate to say I told you so...
« Reply #4 on April 24, 2011, 08:31:29 am by DonnyRTID »
Quote from: \"CusworthRovers\" post=152982
I am confident Donny will be safe at 5pm tomorrow......or safe barring a genuine miracle from Scunny


Agreed, if we can get a point tomorrow and Preston & Scunny lose,
 we will secure our place in the championship.

Dimples-D

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Re: Hate to say I told you so...
« Reply #5 on April 24, 2011, 08:35:19 am by Dimples-D »
It all means f*ck all, just like wearing certain items of clothing cos they are lucky, Friday 13th, walking under ladders, black cats etc etc etc... A load of cobblers..:lol:

mutleyrover

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Re: Hate to say I told you so...
« Reply #6 on April 24, 2011, 08:36:47 am by mutleyrover »
Have faith boys.  3 points at Jokewell tomorrow and the other results will not really matter!

Donnybob

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Wow - what incredible insight!
« Reply #7 on April 24, 2011, 09:23:02 am by Donnybob »
Proves absolutely nothing except sheep don't think a lot.

The teams who finish in the top 6 are either promoted or form the basis of a promotion push the following season.

The teams in the bottom 3 get relegated.

Err, now help me here Einstein, where might the next season's relegation candidates be found.

Dunno Boss, but it might be from that lot in between.

Ah, the mid-table teams. Yes, I think you have a point.

Well it's more than Preston got yesterday.

ravenrover

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Re: Wow - what incredible insight!
« Reply #8 on April 24, 2011, 12:03:21 pm by ravenrover »
Have to say that Scunnies 2 home games have me worried, that pitch.
We saw what a poor pitch can do to better teams QPR as my example.

Drover

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Re: Wow - what incredible insight!
« Reply #9 on April 24, 2011, 12:18:17 pm by Drover »
Quote from: \"ravenrover\" post=153014
Have to say that Scunnies 2 home games have me worried, that pitch.
We saw what a poor pitch can do to better teams QPR as my example.


Your right,but I think it's the small size of the pitch rather than the poor pitch which has an adverse effect on some away teams there.Same reason why they have a good record with strikers.Smaller pitch is bound to offer more scoring chances per game.

Donnybob

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Re: Hate to say I told you so...
« Reply #10 on April 24, 2011, 05:50:05 pm by Donnybob »
The only thing missing at the end of that load of bollox is the oft-used pronouncement - Fact!

According to http://www.soccervoice.com/groundsch.htm Scunny's pitch is 113 by 73 yards, thus it is no smaller than numerous other Championship pitches.

Compare that then to:

Chelsea, Stamford Bridge, 110 x 75 yards
Fulham, Craven Cottage, 110 x 75 yards
Liverpool, Anfield, 110 x 75 yards
Birmingham City, St. Andrews, 110 x 74 yards
Newcastle United, St. James’s Park, 110 x 73 yards
Tottenham Hotspur, White Hart Lane, 110 x 73 yards
Bolton Wanderers, Reebok Stadium, 110 x 72 yards
West Ham United, Boleyn Ground, 110 x 70 yards

To suggest the size of Scunny's pitch is a factor in their chances is a very poor argument based on zero research and a shed load of paranoia.

Spurs titchy little cabbage plot didn't exactly cause Real Madrid too many problems, did it?

Norfolk N Chance

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Re: Hate to say I told you so...
« Reply #11 on April 24, 2011, 06:04:06 pm by Norfolk N Chance »
Quote from: \"The Red Baron\" post=152978
Preston were 17th last season and the Blunts were 8th. Do those count as mid-table?

Just when I was feeling a little more confident your post has made me worry again! :S


Little random to say the least lol

Who knows if we go down but given there no exact simularities how can you suggest all cos they were in mid table!

Kenny_Senior

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Re: Hate to say I told you so...
« Reply #12 on April 24, 2011, 06:12:34 pm by Kenny_Senior »
What an absolutely meaningless thread. All it is is little coincidences that is made out to mean something in some kind of spooky way.

It's like all the coincidences that are being drawn up at the moment between Kate and Princess Diana. \"Oh, they're both getting/got married on the 29th, etc\". It means nothing.

Another coincidence is William's been inside both of them. Earth shattering stuff, eh!

ravenrover

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Re: Hate to say I told you so...
« Reply #13 on April 24, 2011, 09:21:46 pm by ravenrover »
Quote from: \"Donnybob\" post=153050
The only thing missing at the end of that load of bollox is the oft-used pronouncement - Fact!

According to http://www.soccervoice.com/groundsch.htm Scunny's pitch is 113 by 73 yards, thus it is no smaller than numerous other Championship pitches.

Compare that then to:

Chelsea, Stamford Bridge, 110 x 75 yards
Fulham, Craven Cottage, 110 x 75 yards
Liverpool, Anfield, 110 x 75 yards
Birmingham City, St. Andrews, 110 x 74 yards
Newcastle United, St. James’s Park, 110 x 73 yards
Tottenham Hotspur, White Hart Lane, 110 x 73 yards
Bolton Wanderers, Reebok Stadium, 110 x 72 yards
West Ham United, Boleyn Ground, 110 x 70 yards

To suggest the size of Scunny's pitch is a factor in their chances is a very poor argument based on zero research and a shed load of paranoia.

Spurs titchy little cabbage plot didn't exactly cause Real Madrid too many problems, did it?

I hope this was aimed at Drovers comment, my fear has nothing to do about the size of the pitch it is down to the quality of the pitch which resembles a cabbage patch rather than a football pitch.

Drover

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Re: Hate to say I told you so...
« Reply #14 on April 25, 2011, 07:10:25 pm by Drover »
Quote from: \"Donnybob\" post=153050
The only thing missing at the end of that load of bollox is the oft-used pronouncement - Fact!

According to http://www.soccervoice.com/groundsch.htm Scunny's pitch is 113 by 73 yards, thus it is no smaller than numerous other Championship pitches.

Compare that then to:

Chelsea, Stamford Bridge, 110 x 75 yards
Fulham, Craven Cottage, 110 x 75 yards
Liverpool, Anfield, 110 x 75 yards
Birmingham City, St. Andrews, 110 x 74 yards
Newcastle United, St. James’s Park, 110 x 73 yards
Tottenham Hotspur, White Hart Lane, 110 x 73 yards
Bolton Wanderers, Reebok Stadium, 110 x 72 yards
West Ham United, Boleyn Ground, 110 x 70 yards

To suggest the size of Scunny's pitch is a factor in their chances is a very poor argument based on zero research and a shed load of paranoia.

Spurs titchy little cabbage plot didn't exactly cause Real Madrid too many problems, did it?


It says their pitch is 111 x 73 yards not 113.But your quite right,the pitch is not as small has I thought,it must be the comparative small stands that give me that impression when I go there.I did not say I believed it was a factor in their chances all the time,just thought once in a while the occassional quality team may struggle with the small pitch but obviously thats totally wrong.It was'nt an argument,more just a concern Scunny could get some points has yet,Hardly call it a shed load of paranoia?but Im not worried about that now.A shed load of Paranoia is that I think you are picking on me and being harsh on me,trying to belittle me but don't know why,What have I done to you????

Donnybob

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Re: Hate to say I told you so...
« Reply #15 on April 25, 2011, 07:25:07 pm by Donnybob »
What have I done to you????

There you go again with that paranoia... ;-)

Oh, and say goodbye to Scunny for me.

Drover

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Re: Hate to say I told you so...
« Reply #16 on April 25, 2011, 08:26:56 pm by Drover »
Quote from: \"Donnybob\" post=153344
What have I done to you????

There you go again with that paranoia... ;-)

Oh, and say goodbye to Scunny for me.


:laugh: ;)

DMnumber4

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Re: Hate to say I told you so...
« Reply #17 on April 26, 2011, 12:08:24 am by DMnumber4 »
Quote from: \"Kenny_Senior\" post=153052
What an absolutely meaningless thread. All it is is little coincidences that is made out to mean something in some kind of spooky way.

It's like all the coincidences that are being drawn up at the moment between Kate and Princess Diana. \"Oh, they're both getting/got married on the 29th, etc\". It means nothing.

Another coincidence is William's been inside both of them. Earth shattering stuff, eh!


Quote of the day is that. Bloody Royals, always there when we don't want them, never there when we do want them! :unsure:

Mr1Croft

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Re: Hate to say I told you so...
« Reply #18 on April 29, 2011, 01:24:22 am by Mr1Croft »
Except from Forest, who claimed 14th and then were relegated. There is an interesting pattern formed, while I agree with what Donny Bob is saying that this means nothing, well in effect I never did say this meant anything; just thought I'd share something (which I tried to point out earlier this season) with other fans. \"Them in between\" Well between isn't really the middle is it? To me Mid-table is, well Middle of the table, strictly speaking it would be 12th and 13th, but more often we see midtable 10-14th.

Will we go down? Probably not, it would be a catastrophe if somehow we fell when Sheff United have been there all season.

DonnyNoel

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Re: Hate to say I told you so...
« Reply #19 on April 29, 2011, 09:07:13 am by DonnyNoel »
There's probably not enough teams involved for it to be considered a concrete pattern but it shows that some of the relatively smaller clubs (Luton, Millwall, Colchester, Scunny) can become a victim of their own success.

Season A - surprise package, good players get the team to within sight of the playoffs.
Summer - good players are poached by the more established CCC clubs.
Season B - problems.

Although the amount of more established clubs who have gone down to L1 recently suggests no one is safe from financial/behind the scenes incompetence.

jonnydog

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Re: Hate to say I told you so...
« Reply #20 on April 30, 2011, 11:25:03 pm by jonnydog »
Just to confirm.... Statistics, patterns, jinxs, superstitions, history means nothing... WE ARE SAFE...

RTIfkinD  :rtid:

RedJ

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Re: Hate to say I told you so...
« Reply #21 on April 30, 2011, 11:26:55 pm by RedJ »
FAIL.

jonnydog

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Re: Hate to say I told you so...
« Reply #22 on April 30, 2011, 11:32:10 pm by jonnydog »
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FAIL.


RJ, I'm still in donny centre celebrating so let me know when you've left my house so I can go home!!!

RTIFkinD  :rtid:

RedJ

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Re: Hate to say I told you so...
« Reply #23 on April 30, 2011, 11:35:23 pm by RedJ »
Quote from: \"jonnydog\" post=154580
Quote from: \"RedJ\" post=154576
FAIL.


RJ, I'm still in donny centre celebrating so let me know when you've left my house so I can go home!!!

RTIFkinD  :rtid:


Oh, I sleep in the closet when I go to yours ;)

jonnydog

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Re: Hate to say I told you so...
« Reply #24 on April 30, 2011, 11:45:19 pm by jonnydog »
Quote from: \"RedJ\" post=154581
Quote from: \"jonnydog\" post=154580
Quote from: \"RedJ\" post=154576
FAIL.


RJ, I'm still in donny centre celebrating so let me know when you've left my house so I can go home!!!

RTIFkinD  :rtid:


Oh, I sleep in the closet when I go to yours ;)


well, have a good un anyway!!! I'll be routing for you!

RedJ

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Re: Hate to say I told you so...
« Reply #25 on April 30, 2011, 11:51:11 pm by RedJ »
Quote from: \"jonnydog\" post=154582
Quote from: \"RedJ\" post=154581
Quote from: \"jonnydog\" post=154580
Quote from: \"RedJ\" post=154576
FAIL.


RJ, I'm still in donny centre celebrating so let me know when you've left my house so I can go home!!!

RTIFkinD  :rtid:


Oh, I sleep in the closet when I go to yours ;)


well, have a good un anyway!!! I'll be routing for you!


Oh, don't you worry, I'll have less trouble scoring than Sharp in front of an open goal ;)

 

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