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To my knowledge, the VSC matters section has been replaced with the VSC member section, non members should be allowed to view the members area but do not have posting privileges in there, non members can still post in the open forum if they have a query, like you have done here, there`s no closed shop as non members can still view whats being discussed
Just a query. Why has the VSC Matters section of this froum now been hidden from the view of all non-members? Before, if I had a question relating to the VSC I knew where I could ask it (and have done in the past) whereas now I do not? Seems a bit counter productive to me and only adds to the feeling of the 'closed shop'.
So does that mean the VSC now only represents its fully paid up members? It was things like this that led to me not paying my subcsription this year, too much focus on those who pay when IMO it should be about all fans whether paid up or not. We now have a section of a fans forum that only select fans can choose to see.I understand that the VSC wants more members, but that to me will just push people away even more. But if that's what people wish to do that is fine really, just don't complain when more feel they just don't want to be part of it.
Fundamentally subs are going towards gaining a bigger share in DRFC. So in effect its a win win, the club (or the directors of the club depending how you look at it) get your money and we the fans get a bigger ownership of our club. As we all know JR cannot go on as Chairman forever, and we have seen how much difference having a club owned by a fan can be. The only way of ensuring the club stays in the right hands is by helping the VSC raise its funds. I wasn't on the VSC board when the boxes were bought so all I can say is I imagine the VSC Board wanted to repay its members who fork out every year to keep the VSC going. Would the members rather see their money spent on shares, a community project or sponsoring a local Sunday team? Well if our members don't tell us we can only assume.
I feel proud knowing I've got shares in the club I support. All this for a small amount each year.
Quote from: Mr1Croft on April 19, 2012, 08:53:06 pmFundamentally subs are going towards gaining a bigger share in DRFC. So in effect its a win win, the club (or the directors of the club depending how you look at it) get your money and we the fans get a bigger ownership of our club. As we all know JR cannot go on as Chairman forever, and we have seen how much difference having a club owned by a fan can be. The only way of ensuring the club stays in the right hands is by helping the VSC raise its funds. I wasn't on the VSC board when the boxes were bought so all I can say is I imagine the VSC Board wanted to repay its members who fork out every year to keep the VSC going. Would the members rather see their money spent on shares, a community project or sponsoring a local Sunday team? Well if our members don't tell us we can only assume.John Ryan "only" owns 33% of the club now. The VSC didn't really have much of a say when he brought in Dick and Terry did they? It doesn't have a seat on the board anymore either. The VSC needs to harness the power that fans have. If people didn't attend matches then the club wouldn't exist.
I'm struggling to see what the incentives of the group are. Don't get me wrong if I can see where it's heading my subs will certainly be paid once again,
QuoteI'm struggling to see what the incentives of the group are. Don't get me wrong if I can see where it's heading my subs will certainly be paid once again,See the current Aims and Objectives. The VSC board needs fans and members to help shape it's aims and objectives moving forward, as no doubt some things will change if the fans wish it. But it's only right that the members vote to provide the mandate for the VSC board to act on.
The simple truth is that if you are amember you get to decide the rules of the club, if you don't pay then it is simply nothing to do with you.
Quote from: Barmby Rover on April 19, 2012, 09:20:30 pmThe simple truth is that if you are amember you get to decide the rules of the club, if you don't pay then it is simply nothing to do with you.And that's what I'm trying to figure out. If it's a club that wants simply nothing to do with people who don't pay then I'd have no interest in being involved at all. For me it should be about listening to the views of all supporters be they those who choose to provide cash and those that do not.
I wouldnt call the VSC box 'crap' , I thought it was a great idea.. I loved watching to see if anyone i knew had won the chance to expeience the whole box experience...Likewise the appeals, they wern't so much to rake in copious ammounts of cash, but were a way of bringing the fans together..No one with any sense would ever believe enough could be raised to buy a striker ect, but as a movement it was a great way of making the people feel as tho they were helping. How can that ever be a bad thing?
Quote from: jucyberry on April 20, 2012, 12:06:18 pmI wouldnt call the VSC box 'crap' , I thought it was a great idea.. I loved watching to see if anyone i knew had won the chance to expeience the whole box experience...Likewise the appeals, they wern't so much to rake in copious ammounts of cash, but were a way of bringing the fans together..No one with any sense would ever believe enough could be raised to buy a striker ect, but as a movement it was a great way of making the people feel as tho they were helping. How can that ever be a bad thing? Unless DRFC gave the VSC the boxes free of charge then there's little chance it was a fundraiser. It might be a nice day out, but that's not what a Trust is for. They were always having to push them on here, clearly struggling to sell the places. People don't buy in to the VSC so that they might win a place in a box for a match and I bet a high % of those are ST holders anyway. They hold, what 10 people? It was a daft decision, the cons (financial output) massively outweighed the pros. Be interesting to see what's disclosed in the accounts.For me (a lapsed member), they lost me when they kept mentioning about merging the VSC with the Supporters Club. The then people in charge didn't seem to grasp that a Trust is nothing like a Supporter Club. Supporters Clubs are there to run coaches, hold fundraisers, arrange events etc. I think the Loan Star appeal would have been better under their banner.A Trust is there to look at the long term future for the Club it is attached to. It works with a Supporters Club (and the Club). It supports projects, liaises with fans and tries to grow so that it can have a voice on the Board that is heard. From the noises coming out of the VSC now, I think its heading it a vastly better direction than ever before (not that I'm saying previous people didn't work hard - just not in the direction I'd have expected).