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Quote from: Alan_Rovers on October 13, 2012, 10:22:12 pmNo silent majority you are wrong.If this was a minor scuffle why is there four pages on it???????As I said when this gets into the Free Press and families who are potential fans see it then it will make them think twice about coming to games. It isn't the first time it has happened this season and we have a hooligan issue at the moment which needs stamping out.If someone had fallen or stumbled over a seat and banged their head they could have died today. Would you have still called it a minor scuffle then.It's down to the club now to tell a few fans in the minority who are spoiling it for the majority to pi$$ off!!!!!!No I'm not. And I have much more experience in this area than you. So lets look at the points you are making.Firstly, because there are 4 pages on this issue then its a major disturbance? Erm, I don't see the connection, its either a major disturbance involving hundreds of supporters or its not, the length of the thread doesn't make it more serious than it is.We have a hooligan issue at the moment? Not according to the Safety Officers Association we don't, nor do we according to the local SAG or the local Police Liaison Officer. You need proof? Join me in my next meeting with them. Don't overreact is my stance.People falling over a seat and banging their head could have died? Whilst I would never wish harm on anybody I do think you're searching for a reason to support your argument. There's much more chance of people falling over and getting hurt in stadiums that hold 70 or 80,00 people when goals are scored, certainly not in an away end that's got 600 people in it and a handful are having a scuffle. Don't over dramatise the situation.Yes, if we can identify actual trouble makers, and believe you me the club, Police and Safety Officers know who these people are, then they will be dealt with. Lets keep our heads here.
No silent majority you are wrong.If this was a minor scuffle why is there four pages on it???????As I said when this gets into the Free Press and families who are potential fans see it then it will make them think twice about coming to games. It isn't the first time it has happened this season and we have a hooligan issue at the moment which needs stamping out.If someone had fallen or stumbled over a seat and banged their head they could have died today. Would you have still called it a minor scuffle then.It's down to the club now to tell a few fans in the minority who are spoiling it for the majority to pi$$ off!!!!!!
Quote from: silent majority on October 13, 2012, 10:34:01 pmQuote from: Alan_Rovers on October 13, 2012, 10:22:12 pmNo silent majority you are wrong.If this was a minor scuffle why is there four pages on it???????As I said when this gets into the Free Press and families who are potential fans see it then it will make them think twice about coming to games. It isn't the first time it has happened this season and we have a hooligan issue at the moment which needs stamping out.If someone had fallen or stumbled over a seat and banged their head they could have died today. Would you have still called it a minor scuffle then.It's down to the club now to tell a few fans in the minority who are spoiling it for the majority to pi$$ off!!!!!!No I'm not. And I have much more experience in this area than you. So lets look at the points you are making.Firstly, because there are 4 pages on this issue then its a major disturbance? Erm, I don't see the connection, its either a major disturbance involving hundreds of supporters or its not, the length of the thread doesn't make it more serious than it is.We have a hooligan issue at the moment? Not according to the Safety Officers Association we don't, nor do we according to the local SAG or the local Police Liaison Officer. You need proof? Join me in my next meeting with them. Don't overreact is my stance.People falling over a seat and banging their head could have died? Whilst I would never wish harm on anybody I do think you're searching for a reason to support your argument. There's much more chance of people falling over and getting hurt in stadiums that hold 70 or 80,00 people when goals are scored, certainly not in an away end that's got 600 people in it and a handful are having a scuffle. Don't over dramatise the situation.Yes, if we can identify actual trouble makers, and believe you me the club, Police and Safety Officers know who these people are, then they will be dealt with. Lets keep our heads here.SM you can make your points in the debate without being apparently both presumptive and condescending. I'm sure it was unintended as it has been on a number of your posts of late. Alan , Dagenham and me think these events are beginning to escalate of late and far from over-reacting he is concerned as are others and to dismiss him is absurd.
Quote from: hoolahoop on October 13, 2012, 10:59:27 pmQuote from: silent majority on October 13, 2012, 10:34:01 pmQuote from: Alan_Rovers on October 13, 2012, 10:22:12 pmNo silent majority you are wrong.If this was a minor scuffle why is there four pages on it???????As I said when this gets into the Free Press and families who are potential fans see it then it will make them think twice about coming to games. It isn't the first time it has happened this season and we have a hooligan issue at the moment which needs stamping out.If someone had fallen or stumbled over a seat and banged their head they could have died today. Would you have still called it a minor scuffle then.It's down to the club now to tell a few fans in the minority who are spoiling it for the majority to pi$$ off!!!!!!No I'm not. And I have much more experience in this area than you. So lets look at the points you are making.Firstly, because there are 4 pages on this issue then its a major disturbance? Erm, I don't see the connection, its either a major disturbance involving hundreds of supporters or its not, the length of the thread doesn't make it more serious than it is.We have a hooligan issue at the moment? Not according to the Safety Officers Association we don't, nor do we according to the local SAG or the local Police Liaison Officer. You need proof? Join me in my next meeting with them. Don't overreact is my stance.People falling over a seat and banging their head could have died? Whilst I would never wish harm on anybody I do think you're searching for a reason to support your argument. There's much more chance of people falling over and getting hurt in stadiums that hold 70 or 80,00 people when goals are scored, certainly not in an away end that's got 600 people in it and a handful are having a scuffle. Don't over dramatise the situation.Yes, if we can identify actual trouble makers, and believe you me the club, Police and Safety Officers know who these people are, then they will be dealt with. Lets keep our heads here.SM you can make your points in the debate without being apparently both presumptive and condescending. I'm sure it was unintended as it has been on a number of your posts of late. Alan , Dagenham and me think these events are beginning to escalate of late and far from over-reacting he is concerned as are others and to dismiss him is absurd.I disagree Hoola, and your falling into the same trap. I'm not presumptive or condescending but stating facts. Alan tells me I'm wrong but I'm condescending if I don't agree? I've been dealing with the Policing and Stewarding issues for the FSF for years and I've seen and heard it all. But I sit in meetings with the authorities where these issues are discussed and when I say that the SOFA and the local SAG think we don't have issues then we don't, lets not talk ourselves into a situation that doesn't exist.This small issue this afternoon is a minor exception, lets not create a storm around something that we don't or can't know all the details about.
Get fined by the FA? Why? Firstly this competition has nothing to do with the FA, so they have no right to get involved. If you meant the Football league then you may be correct but they won't be interested in a minor scuffle between a few fans and a couple of stewards.
Ouch SM won't be happy with that post if correct Nath
Interesting if thats the case, and not the first time I've known seating cause trouble. Personally I'm backing the bloke standing up - its a football match, people stand up, accept it or f&ck off! Come on... lets ave yer then yer fat arsed sitters!
Rovers fans were trying and failing to stop it the whole time, the one bloke who was grabbed by the throat was being verbally abused by fans at the back of the stand too, knock your teeth out etc.But he just wouldn't shut up the guy, too pissed. Just don't think we can blame the stewards on this occasion, even at the end near the toilets there were young lads speaking to the stewards and police like they were some kind of gangster.
I don't think it helps when certain individuals on this forum carry on this debate about whether or not they can or should stand at football matches.
Thank you Eagle Eye that was a good post and seems to reflect what most of us are saying on here i.e. there is no place for this behaviour anywhere and excusing it , pretending it was a minor incident, was caused by other clubs supporters etc. is simply not going to address the situation .There are some on here that think these so called 'minor' incidents are both acceptable and de rigeur when going to a game. Currently I would not take my youngster to an away game whilst these nobheads are getting away with it. In times of hardship , dwindling crowds etc we all need to make these environments as safe as possible for all without making them too sterile.The problem needs addressing not brushing under the carpet as some would seek to do.Good luck for the rest of the season btw..........
Quote from: Wellred on October 14, 2012, 10:04:50 amI don't think it helps when certain individuals on this forum carry on this debate about whether or not they can or should stand at football matches.Unless you have a debate, then you'll never change the legislation. And having a debate about the creation of safe standing areas is not the same as advocating illicit standing in seated areas. Personally I think standing at football matches is a relic of a bygone era, rather like muddy pitches, balls with laces and oversized wooden rattles. But I'm not opposed to the issues being debated.
Silent majority, have you attended any meeting with police before???? I'm not sure if you have told us yet.