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Quote from: MrFrost on November 10, 2012, 07:14:23 pmQuote from: pubteam on November 10, 2012, 07:13:11 pmQuote from: Barmby Rover on November 10, 2012, 07:05:00 pmFor the first time ever in ten years I have not listened to or attended a Rovers game. I was talking this morning saying that we were going to lose as we were playing a footballing side, and it seems to be right. Without a decent holding midfield player in the mould of Stock/Wellens we are unable to control play sufficiently to keep an opposition out of the game. We are still lacking that sort of player, or a manager who is able to get people to play that way in my opinionI think that's unfair, and I'm not surprised to see you say you didn't go or listen to the game, as it shows in that post.The fact that AFCB are a footballing side brought it out of us IMO. We passed it very well and put some neat moves together, but just lacked that final ball and cutting edge in the final third. We passed it better than them at times, and our central midfield two of Harper and Clingan were arguably the best players on the field.See my point that fans who have followed us through thick and thin are losing interest. This goes further to support what i'm saying.What ARE you saying?I was talking about the performance, not about people losing interest.
Quote from: pubteam on November 10, 2012, 07:13:11 pmQuote from: Barmby Rover on November 10, 2012, 07:05:00 pmFor the first time ever in ten years I have not listened to or attended a Rovers game. I was talking this morning saying that we were going to lose as we were playing a footballing side, and it seems to be right. Without a decent holding midfield player in the mould of Stock/Wellens we are unable to control play sufficiently to keep an opposition out of the game. We are still lacking that sort of player, or a manager who is able to get people to play that way in my opinionI think that's unfair, and I'm not surprised to see you say you didn't go or listen to the game, as it shows in that post.The fact that AFCB are a footballing side brought it out of us IMO. We passed it very well and put some neat moves together, but just lacked that final ball and cutting edge in the final third. We passed it better than them at times, and our central midfield two of Harper and Clingan were arguably the best players on the field.See my point that fans who have followed us through thick and thin are losing interest. This goes further to support what i'm saying.
Quote from: Barmby Rover on November 10, 2012, 07:05:00 pmFor the first time ever in ten years I have not listened to or attended a Rovers game. I was talking this morning saying that we were going to lose as we were playing a footballing side, and it seems to be right. Without a decent holding midfield player in the mould of Stock/Wellens we are unable to control play sufficiently to keep an opposition out of the game. We are still lacking that sort of player, or a manager who is able to get people to play that way in my opinionI think that's unfair, and I'm not surprised to see you say you didn't go or listen to the game, as it shows in that post.The fact that AFCB are a footballing side brought it out of us IMO. We passed it very well and put some neat moves together, but just lacked that final ball and cutting edge in the final third. We passed it better than them at times, and our central midfield two of Harper and Clingan were arguably the best players on the field.
For the first time ever in ten years I have not listened to or attended a Rovers game. I was talking this morning saying that we were going to lose as we were playing a footballing side, and it seems to be right. Without a decent holding midfield player in the mould of Stock/Wellens we are unable to control play sufficiently to keep an opposition out of the game. We are still lacking that sort of player, or a manager who is able to get people to play that way in my opinion
Quote from: pubteam on November 10, 2012, 07:18:25 pmQuote from: MrFrost on November 10, 2012, 07:14:23 pmQuote from: pubteam on November 10, 2012, 07:13:11 pmQuote from: Barmby Rover on November 10, 2012, 07:05:00 pmFor the first time ever in ten years I have not listened to or attended a Rovers game. I was talking this morning saying that we were going to lose as we were playing a footballing side, and it seems to be right. Without a decent holding midfield player in the mould of Stock/Wellens we are unable to control play sufficiently to keep an opposition out of the game. We are still lacking that sort of player, or a manager who is able to get people to play that way in my opinionI think that's unfair, and I'm not surprised to see you say you didn't go or listen to the game, as it shows in that post.The fact that AFCB are a footballing side brought it out of us IMO. We passed it very well and put some neat moves together, but just lacked that final ball and cutting edge in the final third. We passed it better than them at times, and our central midfield two of Harper and Clingan were arguably the best players on the field.See my point that fans who have followed us through thick and thin are losing interest. This goes further to support what i'm saying.What ARE you saying?I was talking about the performance, not about people losing interest.I was mentioning the post you quoted.
Quote from: MrFrost on November 10, 2012, 07:22:23 pmQuote from: pubteam on November 10, 2012, 07:18:25 pmQuote from: MrFrost on November 10, 2012, 07:14:23 pmQuote from: pubteam on November 10, 2012, 07:13:11 pmQuote from: Barmby Rover on November 10, 2012, 07:05:00 pmFor the first time ever in ten years I have not listened to or attended a Rovers game. I was talking this morning saying that we were going to lose as we were playing a footballing side, and it seems to be right. Without a decent holding midfield player in the mould of Stock/Wellens we are unable to control play sufficiently to keep an opposition out of the game. We are still lacking that sort of player, or a manager who is able to get people to play that way in my opinionI think that's unfair, and I'm not surprised to see you say you didn't go or listen to the game, as it shows in that post.The fact that AFCB are a footballing side brought it out of us IMO. We passed it very well and put some neat moves together, but just lacked that final ball and cutting edge in the final third. We passed it better than them at times, and our central midfield two of Harper and Clingan were arguably the best players on the field.See my point that fans who have followed us through thick and thin are losing interest. This goes further to support what i'm saying.What ARE you saying?I was talking about the performance, not about people losing interest.I was mentioning the post you quoted.What can you do though if people are losing interest? Nobody can make them regain their interest and go to games. And don't just say "play well and win", because you just can't expect that every week. Football doesn't work like that.
How is it an alarming rate?
Quote from: pubteam on November 10, 2012, 07:25:07 pmQuote from: MrFrost on November 10, 2012, 07:22:23 pmQuote from: pubteam on November 10, 2012, 07:18:25 pmQuote from: MrFrost on November 10, 2012, 07:14:23 pmQuote from: pubteam on November 10, 2012, 07:13:11 pmQuote from: Barmby Rover on November 10, 2012, 07:05:00 pmFor the first time ever in ten years I have not listened to or attended a Rovers game. I was talking this morning saying that we were going to lose as we were playing a footballing side, and it seems to be right. Without a decent holding midfield player in the mould of Stock/Wellens we are unable to control play sufficiently to keep an opposition out of the game. We are still lacking that sort of player, or a manager who is able to get people to play that way in my opinionI think that's unfair, and I'm not surprised to see you say you didn't go or listen to the game, as it shows in that post.The fact that AFCB are a footballing side brought it out of us IMO. We passed it very well and put some neat moves together, but just lacked that final ball and cutting edge in the final third. We passed it better than them at times, and our central midfield two of Harper and Clingan were arguably the best players on the field.See my point that fans who have followed us through thick and thin are losing interest. This goes further to support what i'm saying.What ARE you saying?I was talking about the performance, not about people losing interest.I was mentioning the post you quoted.What can you do though if people are losing interest? Nobody can make them regain their interest and go to games. And don't just say "play well and win", because you just can't expect that every week. Football doesn't work like that.Lower prices, better marketing, anything that is proactive to win back the fans we have lost. All to easy to shrug your shoulders. End of the day DRFC is a business that is losing it's customers at an alarming rate.
Quote from: MrFrost on November 10, 2012, 07:28:03 pmQuote from: pubteam on November 10, 2012, 07:25:07 pmQuote from: MrFrost on November 10, 2012, 07:22:23 pmQuote from: pubteam on November 10, 2012, 07:18:25 pmQuote from: MrFrost on November 10, 2012, 07:14:23 pmQuote from: pubteam on November 10, 2012, 07:13:11 pmQuote from: Barmby Rover on November 10, 2012, 07:05:00 pmFor the first time ever in ten years I have not listened to or attended a Rovers game. I was talking this morning saying that we were going to lose as we were playing a footballing side, and it seems to be right. Without a decent holding midfield player in the mould of Stock/Wellens we are unable to control play sufficiently to keep an opposition out of the game. We are still lacking that sort of player, or a manager who is able to get people to play that way in my opinionI think that's unfair, and I'm not surprised to see you say you didn't go or listen to the game, as it shows in that post.The fact that AFCB are a footballing side brought it out of us IMO. We passed it very well and put some neat moves together, but just lacked that final ball and cutting edge in the final third. We passed it better than them at times, and our central midfield two of Harper and Clingan were arguably the best players on the field.See my point that fans who have followed us through thick and thin are losing interest. This goes further to support what i'm saying.What ARE you saying?I was talking about the performance, not about people losing interest.I was mentioning the post you quoted.What can you do though if people are losing interest? Nobody can make them regain their interest and go to games. And don't just say "play well and win", because you just can't expect that every week. Football doesn't work like that.Lower prices, better marketing, anything that is proactive to win back the fans we have lost. All to easy to shrug your shoulders. End of the day DRFC is a business that is losing it's customers at an alarming rate.But prices aren't to do with Rovers. It's to do with football in general. I'm sure the club would love to charge £10 to get in every game, but it wouldn't make financial sense. Instead of losing customers at an alarming rate, it'd be losing money. And I don't see why people like JR and Watson should be expected to fund any shortfall.I'm sure if the club lowered prices and accepted that they're going to have to bring in cheaper, lower quality players, people would moan that they had no ambition and weren't trying to improve on the field.I do agree about marketing though. Even simple things like Twitter aren't used to as great effect as they could be to promote the club.
Quote from: pubteam on November 10, 2012, 07:34:02 pmQuote from: MrFrost on November 10, 2012, 07:28:03 pmQuote from: pubteam on November 10, 2012, 07:25:07 pmQuote from: MrFrost on November 10, 2012, 07:22:23 pmQuote from: pubteam on November 10, 2012, 07:18:25 pmQuote from: MrFrost on November 10, 2012, 07:14:23 pmQuote from: pubteam on November 10, 2012, 07:13:11 pmQuote from: Barmby Rover on November 10, 2012, 07:05:00 pmFor the first time ever in ten years I have not listened to or attended a Rovers game. I was talking this morning saying that we were going to lose as we were playing a footballing side, and it seems to be right. Without a decent holding midfield player in the mould of Stock/Wellens we are unable to control play sufficiently to keep an opposition out of the game. We are still lacking that sort of player, or a manager who is able to get people to play that way in my opinionI think that's unfair, and I'm not surprised to see you say you didn't go or listen to the game, as it shows in that post.The fact that AFCB are a footballing side brought it out of us IMO. We passed it very well and put some neat moves together, but just lacked that final ball and cutting edge in the final third. We passed it better than them at times, and our central midfield two of Harper and Clingan were arguably the best players on the field.See my point that fans who have followed us through thick and thin are losing interest. This goes further to support what i'm saying.What ARE you saying?I was talking about the performance, not about people losing interest.I was mentioning the post you quoted.What can you do though if people are losing interest? Nobody can make them regain their interest and go to games. And don't just say "play well and win", because you just can't expect that every week. Football doesn't work like that.Lower prices, better marketing, anything that is proactive to win back the fans we have lost. All to easy to shrug your shoulders. End of the day DRFC is a business that is losing it's customers at an alarming rate.But prices aren't to do with Rovers. It's to do with football in general. I'm sure the club would love to charge £10 to get in every game, but it wouldn't make financial sense. Instead of losing customers at an alarming rate, it'd be losing money. And I don't see why people like JR and Watson should be expected to fund any shortfall.I'm sure if the club lowered prices and accepted that they're going to have to bring in cheaper, lower quality players, people would moan that they had no ambition and weren't trying to improve on the field.I do agree about marketing though. Even simple things like Twitter aren't used to as great effect as they could be to promote the club.That depends how many fans £10 a ticket would bring in. Has the potential to bring in more revenue. As the Swansea game a few years ago proved. Whether that could be maintained on a long term basis is not clear.Despite everything else, and the hard work going on with the VSC and the club, the marketing at DRFC is shocking. And the social media side.We also have zero presence in the town itself.
Would have had a point out of it but for Mr Calamity between the sticks again though,
Quote from: MrFrost on November 10, 2012, 07:36:29 pmQuote from: pubteam on November 10, 2012, 07:34:02 pmQuote from: MrFrost on November 10, 2012, 07:28:03 pmQuote from: pubteam on November 10, 2012, 07:25:07 pmQuote from: MrFrost on November 10, 2012, 07:22:23 pmQuote from: pubteam on November 10, 2012, 07:18:25 pmQuote from: MrFrost on November 10, 2012, 07:14:23 pmQuote from: pubteam on November 10, 2012, 07:13:11 pmQuote from: Barmby Rover on November 10, 2012, 07:05:00 pmFor the first time ever in ten years I have not listened to or attended a Rovers game. I was talking this morning saying that we were going to lose as we were playing a footballing side, and it seems to be right. Without a decent holding midfield player in the mould of Stock/Wellens we are unable to control play sufficiently to keep an opposition out of the game. We are still lacking that sort of player, or a manager who is able to get people to play that way in my opinionI think that's unfair, and I'm not surprised to see you say you didn't go or listen to the game, as it shows in that post.The fact that AFCB are a footballing side brought it out of us IMO. We passed it very well and put some neat moves together, but just lacked that final ball and cutting edge in the final third. We passed it better than them at times, and our central midfield two of Harper and Clingan were arguably the best players on the field.See my point that fans who have followed us through thick and thin are losing interest. This goes further to support what i'm saying.What ARE you saying?I was talking about the performance, not about people losing interest.I was mentioning the post you quoted.What can you do though if people are losing interest? Nobody can make them regain their interest and go to games. And don't just say "play well and win", because you just can't expect that every week. Football doesn't work like that.Lower prices, better marketing, anything that is proactive to win back the fans we have lost. All to easy to shrug your shoulders. End of the day DRFC is a business that is losing it's customers at an alarming rate.But prices aren't to do with Rovers. It's to do with football in general. I'm sure the club would love to charge £10 to get in every game, but it wouldn't make financial sense. Instead of losing customers at an alarming rate, it'd be losing money. And I don't see why people like JR and Watson should be expected to fund any shortfall.I'm sure if the club lowered prices and accepted that they're going to have to bring in cheaper, lower quality players, people would moan that they had no ambition and weren't trying to improve on the field.I do agree about marketing though. Even simple things like Twitter aren't used to as great effect as they could be to promote the club.That depends how many fans £10 a ticket would bring in. Has the potential to bring in more revenue. As the Swansea game a few years ago proved. Whether that could be maintained on a long term basis is not clear.Despite everything else, and the hard work going on with the VSC and the club, the marketing at DRFC is shocking. And the social media side.We also have zero presence in the town itself. Well the Bradford PA and Chesterfield games were £10, AND pay on the gate, and still didn't fetch massive crowds in. I know they were in what some people consider 'lesser' competitions, but surely if cost is the main thing stopping someone from going to the football, they'd go to the cheap £10 games regardless of the competition?
It's not an alarming rate in my opinion, we've just been relegated, countries in a financial mess. As has been pointed out numerous times almost every football league club has seen their gates fall significantly over recent years. Why should we be any different?We haven't played any of the sides yet that will bring a good following so the average will end up quite a lot higher.
I'm sure we are trying, but if people have no money what can you do
Quote from: d**kos1 on November 10, 2012, 07:45:14 pmI'm sure we are trying, but if people have no money what can you doLower the price. See my example above.
Quote from: MrFrost on November 10, 2012, 07:46:21 pmQuote from: d**kos1 on November 10, 2012, 07:45:14 pmI'm sure we are trying, but if people have no money what can you doLower the price. See my example above.You reckon by halving the price we will double the amount of people paying on the day??
Didn't the club give tickets away for a game in the Championship? (V Palace I think) The ground still wasn't full to capacity.
Quote from: Sticky-Rover on November 10, 2012, 09:24:49 pmDidn't the club give tickets away for a game in the Championship? (V Palace I think) The ground still wasn't full to capacity. It was a "sell out" though. If people didn't turn up, they'd lost nothing.The Swansea game attracted about 13600 if I remember rightly. About 5000 more than what we'd usually have got for the fixture, but it was marketed extremely well.
Quote from: bobjimwilly on November 10, 2012, 09:02:46 pmQuote from: MrFrost on November 10, 2012, 07:46:21 pmQuote from: d**kos1 on November 10, 2012, 07:45:14 pmI'm sure we are trying, but if people have no money what can you doLower the price. See my example above.You reckon by halving the price we will double the amount of people paying on the day?? Do you have any evidence to suggest it won't?Like I said it would be dependent on a strong marketing campaign hence me giving the Swansea game as an example.Marketing and business isn't your strong point is it? Most of the time when you post, it is just to try and pick an argument with me. Maybe you should be removed from your moderation duties as you clearly just want to try and wind folk up.
Quote from: MrFrost on November 10, 2012, 09:19:37 pmQuote from: bobjimwilly on November 10, 2012, 09:02:46 pmQuote from: MrFrost on November 10, 2012, 07:46:21 pmQuote from: d**kos1 on November 10, 2012, 07:45:14 pmI'm sure we are trying, but if people have no money what can you doLower the price. See my example above.You reckon by halving the price we will double the amount of people paying on the day?? Do you have any evidence to suggest it won't?Like I said it would be dependent on a strong marketing campaign hence me giving the Swansea game as an example.Marketing and business isn't your strong point is it? Most of the time when you post, it is just to try and pick an argument with me. Maybe you should be removed from your moderation duties as you clearly just want to try and wind folk up.Wind your neck in will you. I don't pick on anyone on here. It just so happens I disagree with a number of your posts. Why should I have to have evidence to counter what you said, when its you that keeps coming up with, quite frankly, ridiculous assumptions based on little or no practical evidence to back up your theories.
What an absolute pathetic performance this evening!! Enuff said!!!