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As you well know an extremely high percentage of those entitled to benefits are working..
A question for you mjdgreg.. If you so despise those who need help what do you do if any of your tennants fall on hard times and need to claim? I can only assume as you take such a hard line that you don't accept anyone who needs housing benefit to live in one of your properties..
Still waiting.
Not took the hint yet?
yeah I have, I just can't be arsed with having a bore off with you.
QuoteAs you well know an extremely high percentage of those entitled to benefits are working.. That's a rubbish answer. I'm not taking a hard line. I'm just asking an obvious question that no-one seems to want to give an answer to. So I'll ask again. Is it right for the taxpayer to subsidise the living costs of those that are living in areas that they wouldn't be able to afford to live in without taxpayer support? It doesn't matter if they're working or not.I don't think it is right for me to live in say Bessacarr if I can't afford the rent or the cost of buying a house. Why on earth should the taxpayer be obliged to pay my rent or mortgage interest just because I choose to live beyond my means?Cue the usual leftie nonsense that I'm a heartless right winger.
QuoteGoldmines. I've heard it all now.mjdgreg - give me the name of one of your businesses.One of my businesses is known as Bookie Basher.
Goldmines. I've heard it all now.mjdgreg - give me the name of one of your businesses.
OK, yes because a)as a taxpayer living in this country you have no say in what the government decides is best for the whole of society other than the ballot box every five years - its called a democracy. Why for instance as a healthy, single, cycling pacifist, should my taxes be spent on hospitals, schools, roads, railways and military? Because that is the decision of the government to do so for the benefit of more than myself.b) to argue otherwise is to argue for ghettoisation - to say that certain people should only live in certain areas - we are all entitled to a decent standard of living - its up to government policies to give opportunities for this.apologies for the grammar/spelling, i'm busy doing something else and need to be quick as you are not worth spending much time on
Frankly I would put more blame on landlords who fix their rent impossibly high all the time knowing that the system would pay. That and the fact that so much 'social' housing stock has been sold off.
Nothing is ever said about the fact that these houses in London..( it's always London after all for the media the world stops at the Watford gap) with their monopoly money rents should never be offered in the first place.
I can think of very few, if not anyone who if finding themselves in need of a home would say sorry all I deserve in life is a hovel.
I'll turn it round again for you.. You advocate a form of (un) social cleansing moving anyone in need of help with their rent to places more fitting for them, (being just base scroungers) no matter how long their connection or roots in the communities they live in at the moment.......
So, as an area financial depression where many are already struggling and jobs are not exacty plentiful, how would you feel about a mass migration of homeless people shunted your way by a government who just wants the poor to fall by the wayside and rot in a ditch?
This country is struggling, I cannot for the life of me see how moving people around like counters in one of those little puzzles we used to play with as kids will help...
All it will do is create massive resentment from the locals who see any affordable housing being taken by incomers, and their communities being drained of resources that they have already paid for in their taxes...
So, as I have said before.. What is the governments next step? A poster campain similar to the nazi parties in 1938...........?
Oh silly me.
Dear oh dear, mickey boy.Your powers of deduction are well below par if you think Jucy is a "leftie". I have first hand knowledge that she uses her right hand
mjdgre, mjdgreg, mjdgreg..Get with the programme, didn't you know that councils in the south are planning on driving the poor north and west of the southern counties?...
Last time I looked Donny like most of the north is thought of as being a cheaper option than the south to live in..Heck even the government is thinking of cutting benefits ooop north because it is supposed to be so 'cheap'.........
So, by that thinking I would guess that it wouldn't be too long before the influx would find it's way to Donny..
Now, I must say i'm a tad disappointed with you too mjdgreg, I thought we had come to some sort of understanding the other day, now you are back to being all defensive and obnoxious again... fickle little f***er aren't you.
ooooooooooo and one more thing, they are hardly going to be rich incomers are they, they are moving because they can't pay their rent...
Ok mjdgreg lets all move to where we can afford to live, shame most jobs aren't transferable to another region.
Lets all move up north cos its cheaper ....... oops everybodys on Benefits but not much cos the coalition is suggesting cutting them "up north" cos its cheaper "up north" cos theres no living wage jobs only part time pin money and government invented training type jobs .....oops all the well paid jobs are in London (what a surprise) ....oops thats where the demand for housing is......... oops lots of demand for housing so landlords rip off and play the system so nobody can afford to buy.To be honest mjdgreg I don't know the answer neither do you and this flipping coalition certainly don't
QuoteOk mjdgreg lets all move to where we can afford to live, shame most jobs aren't transferable to another region.Most jobs are transferable. The BBC is a classic example.QuoteLets all move up north cos its cheaper ....... oops everybodys on Benefits but not much cos the coalition is suggesting cutting them "up north" cos its cheaper "up north" cos theres no living wage jobs only part time pin money and government invented training type jobs .....oops all the well paid jobs are in London (what a surprise) ....oops thats where the demand for housing is......... oops lots of demand for housing so landlords rip off and play the system so nobody can afford to buy.To be honest mjdgreg I don't know the answer neither do you and this flipping coalition certainly don'tI do know the answer. Remove all housing benefit. You would then see a dramatic fall in rents and house prices and people would be forced to move to where they could find work in an area they could afford to live in. Failing that they would have to emigrate or set up their own businesses. People would also be forced to stop spending every penny they earned and living on credit. Sorted.
You say people should uproot and move as if it is as easy as just packing a handbag. when you have next to nothing financially how are you supposed to pay for removals?
There is plenty of proof both in the news papers and on tv about what the government and councils are doing at the moment, if you don't believe the evidence of your own eyes then search a little further, you will find doccuments on line.. To be honest it is amazing what you can find when you dig a little.