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Quote from: StocktonRover on March 26, 2013, 10:15:16 pmIf only there was an ignore thread button - then we wouldn't have tp trawl through all this boring crap every couple of months.Its in the past - let it go.So boring and dull that you still feel the need to make a contribution!!! Well done you!!!
If only there was an ignore thread button - then we wouldn't have tp trawl through all this boring crap every couple of months.Its in the past - let it go.
Stop bumming the guy. He never cared about us. He tried time and time again to get away from us.
Savvy.I'm bemused. Which stars did we sell at the end of the 10/11 season? Byron Webster? Steve Brooker? Wayne Thomas?I've just set out the numbers that suggest the extent to which the club was supporting the manager. Somewhere close to average wage bill on gates that were around half the divisional average. That is phenomenal support from the Board.If the manager chose to invest that money in a squad that had no better goalkeeper than Gary Woods, and was packed full of players who started the next season as decent League 1 triers (Hayter, Dumbuya, Lockwood, Bennett, Keegan, Brown) League 2 triers (Hird, Oster, Sullivan) or barely worthy of a shirt in English football at all (Barnes, Chambers, Wilson) while chucking most of his eggs in one Billy Sharp-shaped basket, then his I have little sympathy for him.Look at it this way if we had a competitive Championship level wage bill (O'Driscoll's words) how many competitive, Championship level players did we start last season off with? Players who could cut it under any other manager?Sharp, Friend - above average Championship players. Stock almost makes that list, but he was a busted flush by then.Middling Championship players. Coppinger, O'ConnorBottom end of Championship players: Brown, M Woods (but again, crocked), Hayter, Chambers (crocked), Gillett, Spurr. Possibly Oster. Possibly Keegan & Martis at a big stretch, but again, crocked.Players who by no stretch of the imagination would be able to make a living in the Championship under any other manager. Hird, G Woods, Sullivan, Lockwood, Dumbuya, Barnes, Bennett, Wilson, Naylor.That's a hell of a lot of below-average Championship level players for something near average Championship wages.
Karenza has divided the fans again. Hmm.
Quote from: DonnyOsmond on March 26, 2013, 10:56:08 pmKarenza has divided the fans again. Hmm. The fans will always be divided when there`s some folk unwilling to let go of the past and blindly follow the faith, it`s like having Jehovahs Witness knocking on your door preaching to you every month!
Quote from: DonnyOsmond on March 26, 2013, 10:02:41 pmStop bumming the guy. He never cared about us. He tried time and time again to get away from us. It's fascinating watching ones own, and others, prejudices, opinions, thought processes isn't it? How do you know Sean 'tried time and time again to get away from us?' There are at least two other perfectly rational alternative explanations for what went on with those jobs. I don't know which explanation is right. But I try, hard, not to let my own dogma make my mind up for me. Like I said, for the countervailing view to that expressed by the Rovers, Karenza is well worth taking seriously. It's not for me to publicise who she is and what she does - but she's well informed I promise you.BobG
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on March 26, 2013, 10:31:18 pmSavvy.I'm bemused. Which stars did we sell at the end of the 10/11 season? Byron Webster? Steve Brooker? Wayne Thomas?I've just set out the numbers that suggest the extent to which the club was supporting the manager. Somewhere close to average wage bill on gates that were around half the divisional average. That is phenomenal support from the Board.If the manager chose to invest that money in a squad that had no better goalkeeper than Gary Woods, and was packed full of players who started the next season as decent League 1 triers (Hayter, Dumbuya, Lockwood, Bennett, Keegan, Brown) League 2 triers (Hird, Oster, Sullivan) or barely worthy of a shirt in English football at all (Barnes, Chambers, Wilson) while chucking most of his eggs in one Billy Sharp-shaped basket, then his I have little sympathy for him.Look at it this way if we had a competitive Championship level wage bill (O'Driscoll's words) how many competitive, Championship level players did we start last season off with? Players who could cut it under any other manager?Sharp, Friend - above average Championship players. Stock almost makes that list, but he was a busted flush by then.Middling Championship players. Coppinger, O'ConnorBottom end of Championship players: Brown, M Woods (but again, crocked), Hayter, Chambers (crocked), Gillett, Spurr. Possibly Oster. Possibly Keegan & Martis at a big stretch, but again, crocked.Players who by no stretch of the imagination would be able to make a living in the Championship under any other manager. Hird, G Woods, Sullivan, Lockwood, Dumbuya, Barnes, Bennett, Wilson, Naylor.That's a hell of a lot of below-average Championship level players for something near average Championship wages.Bill, By that point all the "Crown jewels" had been previously sold and not replaced, despite the board indicating to the contrary after the Mills sale!Insofar as phenomenal support is concerned, if the figures you quote are indeed correct and indeed are "average" figures, does it not follow that the average amount is the least a manager in that division should expect? It matters not who mentioned the words "competitive wage bill" if the stated aim at that time was championship consolidation, then clearly it was insufficient perhaps he was trying to show a bit more unity with the board than they were prepared to show him?
Quote from: Savvy on March 26, 2013, 10:59:35 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on March 26, 2013, 10:31:18 pmSavvy.I'm bemused. Which stars did we sell at the end of the 10/11 season? Byron Webster? Steve Brooker? Wayne Thomas?I've just set out the numbers that suggest the extent to which the club was supporting the manager. Somewhere close to average wage bill on gates that were around half the divisional average. That is phenomenal support from the Board.If the manager chose to invest that money in a squad that had no better goalkeeper than Gary Woods, and was packed full of players who started the next season as decent League 1 triers (Hayter, Dumbuya, Lockwood, Bennett, Keegan, Brown) League 2 triers (Hird, Oster, Sullivan) or barely worthy of a shirt in English football at all (Barnes, Chambers, Wilson) while chucking most of his eggs in one Billy Sharp-shaped basket, then his I have little sympathy for him.Look at it this way if we had a competitive Championship level wage bill (O'Driscoll's words) how many competitive, Championship level players did we start last season off with? Players who could cut it under any other manager?Sharp, Friend - above average Championship players. Stock almost makes that list, but he was a busted flush by then.Middling Championship players. Coppinger, O'ConnorBottom end of Championship players: Brown, M Woods (but again, crocked), Hayter, Chambers (crocked), Gillett, Spurr. Possibly Oster. Possibly Keegan & Martis at a big stretch, but again, crocked.Players who by no stretch of the imagination would be able to make a living in the Championship under any other manager. Hird, G Woods, Sullivan, Lockwood, Dumbuya, Barnes, Bennett, Wilson, Naylor.That's a hell of a lot of below-average Championship level players for something near average Championship wages.Bill, By that point all the "Crown jewels" had been previously sold and not replaced, despite the board indicating to the contrary after the Mills sale!Insofar as phenomenal support is concerned, if the figures you quote are indeed correct and indeed are "average" figures, does it not follow that the average amount is the least a manager in that division should expect? It matters not who mentioned the words "competitive wage bill" if the stated aim at that time was championship consolidation, then clearly it was insufficient perhaps he was trying to show a bit more unity with the board than they were prepared to show him? Savvy.No. Transfer fees are for fools or the wealthy in the post-Bosman environment. What matters for a smaller club is wages. Can you attract and retain high-quality players by the wages that you offer. O'Driscoll, by his own admission, had a competitive Championship-level wage budget. But we ended up relying on Gary Woods, Sam Hird and Mustapha Dumbaya. You say the wage bill was clearly insufficient. But if the figures I gave earlier are remotely accurate (and I have no idea if they are - just numbers put together from snippets on here) then the problem to me is not that the wage bill was insufficient to keep us in the Championship. It's how the bill was spent.By the way, and for the record, I said at the time that O'Driscoll was sacked that I was surprised and I thought it was a bit premature. Even though I thought he had left us threadbare in many places, I reckoned he had earned the right to show that he could pull another rabbit out of the hat once the injured players came back to fitness.
I dont know who is scoring points here, but they must have ten ticked off by now.Anyway, in business people are hired and fired all the time. Football is a revolving door business at most clubs, but not ours. I thought most posters understood that, but clearly not. I bet Sean is regretting saying a damn word right now. Bad PR. You'd have thought he would have had some advice.
Well she was press and pr officer at Bournemouth Football Club 2003 to 2004. Her CV is on her LinkedIn profile. No official Rovers role that she admits to.
Karenza Morton's SummaryMeticulous and dynamic NCTJ-trained professional with a passion for communicating through the written word. Ten years' recognised excellence in journalism and public relations and extremely versatile and highly-experienced in dealing with people at all levels while respected and trusted for discretion anddiplomacy.Specialtiesaudio, broadcast, concept development, features, government, press releases, production, publicity, research, sales, stories, television production, theatre, video, web site production, writing,
Quote from: TommyC on March 27, 2013, 08:47:56 amWell she was press and pr officer at Bournemouth Football Club 2003 to 2004. Her CV is on her LinkedIn profile. No official Rovers role that she admits to. QuoteKarenza Morton's SummaryMeticulous and dynamic NCTJ-trained professional with a passion for communicating through the written word. Ten years' recognised excellence in journalism and public relations and extremely versatile and highly-experienced in dealing with people at all levels while respected and trusted for discretion anddiplomacy.Specialtiesaudio, broadcast, concept development, features, government, press releases, production, publicity, research, sales, stories, television production, theatre, video, web site production, writing,Hardly discreet and diplomatic with her rants on twitter is she
Quote from: Filo on March 27, 2013, 08:56:30 amQuote from: TommyC on March 27, 2013, 08:47:56 amWell she was press and pr officer at Bournemouth Football Club 2003 to 2004. Her CV is on her LinkedIn profile. No official Rovers role that she admits to. QuoteKarenza Morton's SummaryMeticulous and dynamic NCTJ-trained professional with a passion for communicating through the written word. Ten years' recognised excellence in journalism and public relations and extremely versatile and highly-experienced in dealing with people at all levels while respected and trusted for discretion anddiplomacy.Specialtiesaudio, broadcast, concept development, features, government, press releases, production, publicity, research, sales, stories, television production, theatre, video, web site production, writing,Hardly discreet and diplomatic with her rants on twitter is sheTotally agree Filo. But the social media is increasingly the place where the savvy media types use to market products, leak information, mix it up a but etc. see my edited post above. I reckon Karenza knows exactly what she is doing and it wouldn't surprise me if she is speaking for Sean. Check out her Twitter pics.... She was involved at Forest during Sean's reign too. Once again no official role though.