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Quote from: Wellred on November 12, 2013, 07:26:52 pmQuote from: wing commander on November 12, 2013, 07:22:39 pmSkellow I will not get into any debate with you....I'm sorry but your poison..Way out of order. Why is he out of order? he made a respectful negative comment. I see nothing wrong with that.
Quote from: wing commander on November 12, 2013, 07:22:39 pmSkellow I will not get into any debate with you....I'm sorry but your poison..Way out of order. Why is he out of order? he made a respectful negative comment. I see nothing wrong with that.
Skellow I will not get into any debate with you....I'm sorry but your poison..
Quote from: River Don on November 12, 2013, 07:48:52 pmQuote from: SkellowRover on November 12, 2013, 07:18:11 pmQuote from: wing commander on November 12, 2013, 07:03:07 pmBrian..I'm beginning to totally despair with this....So many people critical to us and the club are having there hearts ripped out by the anger and hate on this...Some peoples points I accept others like skellowrovers are delivered with such hate and bitterness....it disgusts me and I'm begining to question whether I really want to be part of a club with people like him...Oh give it a rest with the dramatics!!!My bitterness is towards the current owners and people running the club who have no interest apart from what is in it for themselves and 1 VSC director. All along i have wanted whats best for the club and for 2 years have been warning that these things will happen to get called an idiot who didnt know what i was talking about by cerain people on the VSC board.Before then i always applauded the VSC for what they did but when push came to shove what exactly have they done to prevent all this happening when they say themselves they are here to protect the club and make sure it's there for future generations? The only way the VSC had a chance was for it to have the backing of the supporters but when VSC directors and moderators of this board act like they do at times towards other supporters then all they do is widden the gap between them and the majority. Lets be honest here, if SC take control of the club do you think they would be willing to work with a board they have recently threatened legal action against? Get a grip on reality! The VSC needs a clearout at the top if it is to grow, get more of the fanbase on board and have a future working with SC if they are to be the new owners. Unfortunately all they say is 'Join the VSC and get elected yourself then', really? They expect people that don't support what they are doing to fund them in order to make change? It's laughable. Instead certain individuals should look in the mirror and walk without being pushed if they truely have whats best for the VSC, the supporters and the future of the club as their main interests.John Ryan brought SC to the table. SC claim they want a friendly takeover. So why when the VSC ask for more information of the bid, as they were entitled to do as minor shareholders, on behalf of VSC members and believe it or not the wider support base too, were they rebuffed?Why was it so wrong for the VSC to make these simple enquiries? Why are you so outraged by this approach? It's perfectly reasonable to want to know a little about the people and their plans isn't it Skellow?Read my entire post again RD it's nothing to do with the VSC asking questions of SC, it's about other things completely.Having said that I agree SC need to be asked questions but maybe there is a better way of doing it then a free for all on a forum that results in threatened legal action. Lets put ourselves in the shoes of SC, if you felt you had enough evidence to threaten the VSC with legal action over what is on their boards would you sit down and talk to them when the fact is in reality you don't have to in order to gain control of the club?The only way the VSC has a chance is to have a much larger membership and appeal to the masses, that's where they are failing and the blame for that has to lay with their current board of directors and moderators of this forum and 1-2 of them in particular who feel getting praise of a dozen or so regular posters means they are doing a good job when in fact they are forcing people away from the co-operative with their attitudes towards other supporters.
Quote from: SkellowRover on November 12, 2013, 07:18:11 pmQuote from: wing commander on November 12, 2013, 07:03:07 pmBrian..I'm beginning to totally despair with this....So many people critical to us and the club are having there hearts ripped out by the anger and hate on this...Some peoples points I accept others like skellowrovers are delivered with such hate and bitterness....it disgusts me and I'm begining to question whether I really want to be part of a club with people like him...Oh give it a rest with the dramatics!!!My bitterness is towards the current owners and people running the club who have no interest apart from what is in it for themselves and 1 VSC director. All along i have wanted whats best for the club and for 2 years have been warning that these things will happen to get called an idiot who didnt know what i was talking about by cerain people on the VSC board.Before then i always applauded the VSC for what they did but when push came to shove what exactly have they done to prevent all this happening when they say themselves they are here to protect the club and make sure it's there for future generations? The only way the VSC had a chance was for it to have the backing of the supporters but when VSC directors and moderators of this board act like they do at times towards other supporters then all they do is widden the gap between them and the majority. Lets be honest here, if SC take control of the club do you think they would be willing to work with a board they have recently threatened legal action against? Get a grip on reality! The VSC needs a clearout at the top if it is to grow, get more of the fanbase on board and have a future working with SC if they are to be the new owners. Unfortunately all they say is 'Join the VSC and get elected yourself then', really? They expect people that don't support what they are doing to fund them in order to make change? It's laughable. Instead certain individuals should look in the mirror and walk without being pushed if they truely have whats best for the VSC, the supporters and the future of the club as their main interests.John Ryan brought SC to the table. SC claim they want a friendly takeover. So why when the VSC ask for more information of the bid, as they were entitled to do as minor shareholders, on behalf of VSC members and believe it or not the wider support base too, were they rebuffed?Why was it so wrong for the VSC to make these simple enquiries? Why are you so outraged by this approach? It's perfectly reasonable to want to know a little about the people and their plans isn't it Skellow?
Quote from: wing commander on November 12, 2013, 07:03:07 pmBrian..I'm beginning to totally despair with this....So many people critical to us and the club are having there hearts ripped out by the anger and hate on this...Some peoples points I accept others like skellowrovers are delivered with such hate and bitterness....it disgusts me and I'm begining to question whether I really want to be part of a club with people like him...Oh give it a rest with the dramatics!!!My bitterness is towards the current owners and people running the club who have no interest apart from what is in it for themselves and 1 VSC director. All along i have wanted whats best for the club and for 2 years have been warning that these things will happen to get called an idiot who didnt know what i was talking about by cerain people on the VSC board.Before then i always applauded the VSC for what they did but when push came to shove what exactly have they done to prevent all this happening when they say themselves they are here to protect the club and make sure it's there for future generations? The only way the VSC had a chance was for it to have the backing of the supporters but when VSC directors and moderators of this board act like they do at times towards other supporters then all they do is widden the gap between them and the majority. Lets be honest here, if SC take control of the club do you think they would be willing to work with a board they have recently threatened legal action against? Get a grip on reality! The VSC needs a clearout at the top if it is to grow, get more of the fanbase on board and have a future working with SC if they are to be the new owners. Unfortunately all they say is 'Join the VSC and get elected yourself then', really? They expect people that don't support what they are doing to fund them in order to make change? It's laughable. Instead certain individuals should look in the mirror and walk without being pushed if they truely have whats best for the VSC, the supporters and the future of the club as their main interests.
Brian..I'm beginning to totally despair with this....So many people critical to us and the club are having there hearts ripped out by the anger and hate on this...Some peoples points I accept others like skellowrovers are delivered with such hate and bitterness....it disgusts me and I'm begining to question whether I really want to be part of a club with people like him...
My bitterness is towards the current owners and people running the club who have no interest apart from what is in it for themselves
SkellowQuoteMy bitterness is towards the current owners and people running the club who have no interest apart from what is in it for themselvesSo many words on here, yet not a muff from you on the question I posed on another thread asking by what logic you come to the conclusion that Bramall's in this to line his own pockets.I keep on hearing this line from several people on here, but I've yet to see any argument to back it up. I assume you've got one?
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on November 12, 2013, 08:43:25 pmSkellowQuoteMy bitterness is towards the current owners and people running the club who have no interest apart from what is in it for themselvesSo many words on here, yet not a muff from you on the question I posed on another thread asking by what logic you come to the conclusion that Bramall's in this to line his own pockets.I keep on hearing this line from several people on here, but I've yet to see any argument to back it up. I assume you've got one?Obviously not.
SavvyRead this article, particularly the last couple of paragraphs relating to Donny Rovers.http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/features/money-gives-you-the-freedom-it-s-what-you-do-with-that-freedom-that-counts-1-5347442
Quote from: River Don on November 12, 2013, 09:47:32 pmSavvyRead this article, particularly the last couple of paragraphs relating to Donny Rovers.http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/features/money-gives-you-the-freedom-it-s-what-you-do-with-that-freedom-that-counts-1-5347442Hang on. The Yorkshire Post is owned by the same company as the DFP. How are we to believe any of that?Or are we being selective again?
Quote from: Wellred on November 13, 2013, 08:40:30 amQuote from: River Don on November 12, 2013, 09:47:32 pmSavvyRead this article, particularly the last couple of paragraphs relating to Donny Rovers.http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/features/money-gives-you-the-freedom-it-s-what-you-do-with-that-freedom-that-counts-1-5347442Hang on. The Yorkshire Post is owned by the same company as the DFP. How are we to believe any of that?Or are we being selective again?That article was published ten months ago before the takeover was in the wind.Are we just being argumentative again?
Quote from: River Don on November 13, 2013, 08:47:55 amQuote from: Wellred on November 13, 2013, 08:40:30 amQuote from: River Don on November 12, 2013, 09:47:32 pmSavvyRead this article, particularly the last couple of paragraphs relating to Donny Rovers.http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/features/money-gives-you-the-freedom-it-s-what-you-do-with-that-freedom-that-counts-1-5347442Hang on. The Yorkshire Post is owned by the same company as the DFP. How are we to believe any of that?Or are we being selective again?That article was published ten months ago before the takeover was in the wind.Are we just being argumentative again?No just pointing out how some people believe what they want to believe and if it doesn't suit their argument it must be a lie.
Quote from: Wellred on November 13, 2013, 08:53:02 amQuote from: River Don on November 13, 2013, 08:47:55 amQuote from: Wellred on November 13, 2013, 08:40:30 amQuote from: River Don on November 12, 2013, 09:47:32 pmSavvyRead this article, particularly the last couple of paragraphs relating to Donny Rovers.http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/features/money-gives-you-the-freedom-it-s-what-you-do-with-that-freedom-that-counts-1-5347442Hang on. The Yorkshire Post is owned by the same company as the DFP. How are we to believe any of that?Or are we being selective again?That article was published ten months ago before the takeover was in the wind.Are we just being argumentative again?No just pointing out how some people believe what they want to believe and if it doesn't suit their argument it must be a lie.Look, that has always been TBs stated position and he has backed it up throughout the last few years. You can chose to believe him or you can cling on to the dark conspiracy theory.
Could this be just a case of people leaving what they perceive to be a sinking ship and squabbling with each other over who gets the best seat in the lifeboat? As far as I was lead to believe, the money put in by the directors was/is in the form of loans which generate them better interest than, say, a bank account? Perhaps, if it was me, I'd want to realise those loans by selling to someone when the club had just got promoted and was a good business proposition, rather than being bottom of the league and heading downwards. Whatever this whole thing is about, you can bet your donny rover teddy that it involves money, not footballing passion.
But at which level does he want to run his model? it doesnt seem to me as if he is striving for us to stay in the championship!? such little investment this year to the playing squad.I know nothing of SC, which is why I am not banding questions to them.Affraid of the unknown? certainly, but if there was one man I would trust to ask the questions, it would be Mr DRFC himself. I feel that other minor parties sticking thier beaks in can only delay or create negative relations.
Quote from: Alickismyhero on November 12, 2013, 08:09:51 pmQuote from: Wellred on November 12, 2013, 07:26:52 pmQuote from: wing commander on November 12, 2013, 07:22:39 pmSkellow I will not get into any debate with you....I'm sorry but your poison..Way out of order. Why is he out of order? he made a respectful negative comment. I see nothing wrong with that.Whilst I don't agree with a lot of yours posts Alickismyhero I do respect your opinion. However to see you agreeing calling someone poison is a "respectful negative comment".Sorry but it seems you have sunk to the gutter along with WC.
RD,John has done wondeful things for the Rovers, he would never knowingly do anything to harm them. Doesn't that deserve our full support? Yes, yes it does indeed. Bar the McKay saga (which was a stab in the dark as we were already doomed that season), I do not know of anything JR has done to adversely affect the club on or off the pitch.I too do agree that no one is infallible. But for the work and love for the club JR has expressed throughout the years means that I believe him and trust him to do right going forward.From everything I know of Terry Bramall, he wants the best for the club too but he has a different vision for what is best for the club.I fail to see (maybe through the lack of passion he has) what he wants is best for the club. The guy lacks vision and passion when it comes to our club, he is very much a silent party, not something I want when looking at a chairman (not likely)/owner of our club. This may be a heightened sense I have due to JR's outgoing bubbly character which can be infectious when he delivers such passion to the fans and the team. He makes you believe he will do as he says because 9 out of 10 times he comes up with the goods.Lets not forget that TB previousley stepped down as a director. This is a prominent reason why I along with many others do not feel he has the clubs best interest at heart (100%).He is a money maker, JR is a fan.