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25 years ago that weekend 96 folks lost their lives because they went to a football match. Without opening a debate about how or why or who was to blame, 96 deaths (or indeed any) at a place of entertainment is a tragedy worthy of commemorating.Those of us of a certain age will remember packed terraces and feeling crushed to some degree. Kick offs can be delayed by a few minutes when the TV director wants to squeeze in a few extra ads, so 7 minutes for this is not an issue.
Without sounding too insensitive, things like this really wind me up...
Quote from: Jenny on March 21, 2014, 11:38:15 pmWithout sounding too insensitive, things like this really wind me up... Without sounding too insensitive myself, you're talking shit. 7 minutes out of your life to remember 96 people who died at a football game 25 years before, if you don't like it don't be a part of it. Childish statement, deluded to think it wouldn't be deemed insensitive!
You can usually buy booze on the train as well. I remember watching the match on TV 25 years ago. Awful scenes. My eldest brother lived in Liverpool at the time and he had told us that he planned to go. I remember the sick feeling mixed with a sense of total disbelief not knowing if my brother was amongst them. He didn't end up going. Either he couldn't get tickets or didn't have the money, but not many people had mobiles at the time and it was a few hours before we got hold of him as I recall. On a side issue a proper inquiry needs to be set up into police actions on that day and the slurs in the press.
Yes you are correct Sad, it is up to the individual.It is interesting but quite coincidental, that the 25th anniversary of Hillsborough coincides with another highly signifcant event in which millions of people dies and millions more were injured. 37 million casualties all told in fact. And we are remembering for the first time. Why would anyone want to remember that, we have never remembered it previously? Yes we remember every year at Armistice those who dies in the war, but we have never before marked the start of it.Because it is significant. Because it changed the world. As did Hillsborough. It changed the way we watch and experience football in this country, a fact that many football fans recognise and have sympathy for the relatives of those involved in the disaster today. The victims of those other disasters you mentioned, and others like the Boxing Day Tsunmai, however sad, didnt effect change. That is why they are different.As you say, it is up to the individual.
We had decided to go over to Hillsborough but we got chatting with the Liverpool fans who said there were thousands from Liverpool going without tickets, so we decided we had no chance.
Quote from: Jenny on March 21, 2014, 11:38:15 pmWithout sounding too insensitive, things like this really wind me up... What an awful comment. Im sure things would be different if someone you knew was in that terrible incident at Hillsborough. Disgusting
Quote from: wilts rover on March 23, 2014, 03:09:39 pmYes you are correct Sad, it is up to the individual.It is interesting but quite coincidental, that the 25th anniversary of Hillsborough coincides with another highly signifcant event in which millions of people dies and millions more were injured. 37 million casualties all told in fact. And we are remembering for the first time. Why would anyone want to remember that, we have never remembered it previously? Yes we remember every year at Armistice those who dies in the war, but we have never before marked the start of it.Because it is significant. Because it changed the world. As did Hillsborough. It changed the way we watch and experience football in this country, a fact that many football fans recognise and have sympathy for the relatives of those involved in the disaster today. The victims of those other disasters you mentioned, and others like the Boxing Day Tsunmai, however sad, didnt effect change. That is why they are different.As you say, it is up to the individual.Wilts, to use a recent example I'd say that September 11th changed the world far, far more than the tragic events at Hillsborough. Again we're at the question of who decides when and how we should remember events such as these. I feel it's mawkish and a rather recent invention to hold minutes silence for events years after they take place, a good percentage of football fans weren't alive in 1989, how can they be expected to remember something which, to some, is as distant history as the Korean war. Remember, Armistice Day is to remember ALL those service people that have made the ultimate sacrifice, not just those of the 1914-1918 war.
Nature of today's society. People only bothered about themselves and how it effects them.
You are wrong about Armistice Day. It remembers the lives of service people who gave the ultimate sacrifice in the conflicts after 1914. We had quite a lot die before then - why aren't their names remembered?
SadSomewhere between 2 million and 7 million people died in that little colonial conflict known as the Napolionic Wars, around 300 000 British. The are several reasons why we remember Armistace Day, but your assertion in the earlier post is incorrect and you can argue with me as much as you wish.
Although Armistace Day was basically done to remember the end of WW1 (11.00am 11/11) and remember those that gave their life, I believe it remembers ALL fallen in conflict whether it be Northern Ireland, Falklands, Crimean, Napolionic WW1 WW2 Gulf etc and if you want to argue I'll take you round a few of my mates graves that died fighting alongside me in the Falklands and tell you exactly how they died and what they were doing at the time!!!!Not aimed at you WiltsHey up Steve hope your doing ok