A Good Article

[Sad-Rovers]

I find it amazing some of the drivel some posters on here actually believe.
Do any of you really think the opinions of a tiny minority of Rovers fans stopped TB accepting SC's bid last time?
The bid wasn't accepted because TB didn't like how it was to be financed. Nothing to do with what Wing Commander, River Don or anyone else thought.
 

I think it's human nature to overestimate one's impact and place in the world.

The entire membership of the VSC could stage a dirty protest outside the KM and it'd not make one iota of difference to this deal.

[BigColSutherland]

What if JR had a problem with all directors? Should they all go, "for the good of the trust"? It's a shame you don't understand the idea of a supporters trust, and how it has to be 100% independent from the club, something which JR fiercely agreed with when the VSC was formed.

It's more of a shame that you can't read something properly without this standard knee-jerk reaction.

Step-back, not stand down.

Regardless, what purpose does a trust serve if the club won't speak to it and its shareholding is minimal?

But the problem is when you have two people both with massive ego's who simply don't like each other.

I'd expect that the one who owns the club would ultimately call the shots.

[Wellred]

He wouldn't be able to call the shots where the VSC is concerned though.

[BigColSutherland]

No, but why would he need to really?

[bobjimwilly]

why would the VSC stage a protest? Where have the VSC said they are against this potential takeover?
Quotes/links please, if you will...

[Sad-Rovers]

why would the VSC stage a protest? Where have the VSC said they are against this potential takeover?
Quotes/links please, if you will...

Where has anyone said that the VSC IS against the TO?

Quotes/links please, if you will...

[wing commander]

It's not the relationship with the vsc that would make the difference...It's the relationship he would have with Gavin that worries me...For me he's been the most important person at our club for a while and the professionalism and running of the club has never been as good as it is now...He's not been short of offers from some big clubs and I wonder if he could work with JR again..Losing him would be a massive blow for us.....

[pib]

why would the VSC stage a protest? Where have the VSC said they are against this potential takeover?
Quotes/links please, if you will...

 

[Sad-Rovers]

I'm glad it's not just me...

[wing commander]

    I'm trying to understand your point of view here gents...Im not sure why you think the vsc are against it...I haven't seen any bad comments from any directors other than the standard we will have to wait and see comments...Obviousley they were anti the last takeover and rightly so but cant see were your getting this assumption from...Seriousley what makes you think that sad/pib????

[BigColSutherland]

why would the VSC stage a protest? Where have the VSC said they are against this potential takeover?
Quotes/links please, if you will...

 

Quite eye-opening who VSC members have voted for to represent them...

[Filo]

why would the VSC stage a protest? Where have the VSC said they are against this potential takeover?
Quotes/links please, if you will...

 

Quite eye-opening who VSC members have voted for to represent them...

Why would it concern a non-member?

[Sad-Rovers]

    I'm trying to understand your point of view here gents...Im not sure why you think the vsc are against it...I haven't seen any bad comments from any directors other than the standard we will have to wait and see comments...Obviousley they were anti the last takeover and rightly so but cant see were your getting this assumption from...Seriousley what makes you think that sad/pib????

Please reread my last post:

Where has anyone said that the VSC IS against the TO?

Quotes/links please, if you will...

I'm asking who's said the VSC IS against the TO...

[pib]

    I'm trying to understand your point of view here gents...Im not sure why you think the vsc are against it...I haven't seen any bad comments from any directors other than the standard we will have to wait and see comments...Obviousley they were anti the last takeover and rightly so but cant see were your getting this assumption from...Seriousley what makes you think that sad/pib????

Are you for real?

I don't think the VSC is against it. I don't think Sad thinks the VSC is against it either.

Sad's post said the VSC COULD protest against it, but it wouldn't make a bit of difference. COULD, COULD, COULD, COULD, COULD. Can I spell it out any more? Not they ARE against it, or WILL protest... but if they did, it wouldn't make a difference (in Sad's opinion). That's the point. Not that the VSC is either for or against.

[Sad-Rovers]

why would the VSC stage a protest? Where have the VSC said they are against this potential takeover?
Quotes/links please, if you will...

 

Quite eye-opening who VSC members have voted for to represent them...

Why would it concern a non-member?

It concerns me, Filo, and I am a member.

[wing commander]

   Sorry Sad..my misinterpretation.....You could make a brilliant stage show of all this for the Civic centre xmas pantomime...lol

[Sad-Rovers]

Thank you Pib. Sometimes I think people deliberately "misunderstand" posts to generate conflict.

[wing commander]

pib....calm down it was only a misinterpretation don't get hot under the collar...

[RJHeader]

It's not the relationship with the vsc that would make the difference...It's the relationship he would have with Gavin that worries me...For me he's been the most important person at our club for a while and the professionalism and running of the club has never been as good as it is now...He's not been short of offers from some big clubs and I wonder if he could work with JR again..Losing him would be a massive blow for us.....

Has it been documented anywhere that Gavin had a falling out with JR? Or that he felt he couldnt work with him or anything like that?

[Sad-Rovers]

It's not the relationship with the vsc that would make the difference...It's the relationship he would have with Gavin that worries me...For me he's been the most important person at our club for a while and the professionalism and running of the club has never been as good as it is now...He's not been short of offers from some big clubs and I wonder if he could work with JR again..Losing him would be a massive blow for us.....

Has it been documented anywhere that Gavin had a falling out with JR? Or that he felt he couldnt work with him or anything like that?

As far as I'm aware JR and GB had (have?) a good relationship, unless anyone could expand why they think otherwise?

[BigColSutherland]

Why would it concern a non-member?

It doesn't really concern me Filo. More of an observation.

I can however imagine what I would be thinking if I was a member right now. It would be something along the lines of "we voted for this? seriously?"

[Filo]

Right, I've not contributed much on this TO, I'm neither for or against it, there's not enough, if any info to go on to form an opinion, I've read the various comments on this thread and the other threads concerning this potential TO and some of the insinuations are distinctly anti VSC, you might not say it outright, but they are there. Three or four posters are continually trying to indirectly bait the VSC directors in my opinion, you know who you are! It's time it stopped, the TO will either happen or it won't, there's nothing any of us can do about it bar register our approval or disapproval if it happens, so lets quit the baiting and see what happens eh?

[pib]

pib....calm down it was only a misinterpretation don't get hot under the collar...

I'm calm. I'm sat behind a computer reading a forum. How you draw such conclusions from some text on a screen is a mystery to me.

Excuse the capital letters and bold text, I used those in the hope that they would help to put the message across as clearly as possible to the likes of yourself and BJW, rather than to express any irateness on my part.

[BigColSutherland]

Right, I've not contributed much on this TO, I'm neither for or against it, there's not enough, if any info to go on to form an opinion, I've read the various comments on this thread and the other threads concerning this potential TO and some of the insinuations are distinctly anti VSC, you might not say it outright, but they are there. Three or four posters are continually trying to indirectly bait the VSC directors in my opinion, you know who you are! It's time it stopped, the TO will either happen or it won't, there's nothing any of us can do about it bar register our approval or disapproval if it happens, so lets quit the baiting and see what happens eh?

This is a forum provided by the VSC. It is not a VSC political mouthpiece. There should be no issue whatsoever with anti-VSC posts – real or imagined.

And VSC directors should not be granted special privileges whereby they cannot be questioned or ‘baited’. Other posters are certainly not afforded these privileges.

[RJHeader]

Right, I've not contributed much on this TO, I'm neither for or against it, there's not enough, if any info to go on to form an opinion, I've read the various comments on this thread and the other threads concerning this potential TO and some of the insinuations are distinctly anti VSC, you might not say it outright, but they are there. Three or four posters are continually trying to indirectly bait the VSC directors in my opinion, you know who you are! It's time it stopped, the TO will either happen or it won't, there's nothing any of us can do about it bar register our approval or disapproval if it happens, so lets quit the baiting and see what happens eh?

Stop throwing your toys out the pram Filo. Its a discussion

[wing commander]

   Not publically that i'm aware of RJ,but it stands to reason that Gavin has been given cart blanche on all day to day running of the club,he would also have been a close advisor and handled the previous takeover on behalf of Roversincluding the negotiations and advised the board,he is the main supporter of club Doncaster...JR has stated he doesn't see the benefit of this and would Gavin be prepared to go in the direction JR wants on that and other issues....I

[Sad-Rovers]

Big Col raises an important point, Viking Chat is supposedly independent of the VSC (dispute the vast majority of the moderators here being directors of the VSC, Filo excepted)

If the decisions or action/inaction of the VSC can't be discussed here then where?

[RJHeader]

   Not publically that i'm aware of RJ,but it stands to reason that Gavin has been given cart blanche on all day to day running of the club,he would also have been a close advisor and handled the previous takeover on behalf of Roversincluding the negotiations and advised the board,he is the main supporter of club Doncaster...JR has stated he doesn't see the benefit of this and would Gavin be prepared to go in the direction JR wants on that and other issues....I

He wasnt the negotiator* . David Blunt was. Think you're adding 2 and 2 to get 5 personally mate.

[wing commander]

  Lets just say I wouldn't be to sure on that mate...I hope they can though he has done a brilliant job for us that's for sure and has a massive amount of respect both at ours and other clubs....

[Iberian Red]

Sad and Col/jimbob.  You make a lovely tag team. However wouldn't it be better that John did his own ground work?