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The last England manager to have won an English league championship (barring Howard Wilkinson as caretaker) was Don Revie....
But back on topic, why the f*** doesn't Wilshire start every game. He is so technically gifted, he could be our Pirlo.
OK. How many of the French WC winning team played IN FRANCE from youth to winning WC, how many Spanish same. Or indeed the Dutch side Spanish beat.
Quote from: Wild Rover on June 20, 2014, 01:56:59 pmQuote from: Boomstick on June 20, 2014, 01:55:02 pmQuote from: Wild Rover on June 20, 2014, 01:34:56 pmQuote from: Boomstick on June 20, 2014, 12:59:58 pmQuote from: Wild Rover on June 20, 2014, 12:54:44 pmWouldn't matter if they said all 11 starters had to be English, the same squad as are out in Brazil would remain, as they are the best English 11. ( or 23 ).Your missing the point, in say 10 years time the team would be vastly better. It's time to give the english lads REAL chance. aswell as promoting skill and technical ability over speed and strength.No.....I am not missing the point. If ten years ago people were able to play more "English" in their teams, todays England would still be the same squad, as they are the best of that age .Your mistaken, the abundance of english talent would be ALOT bigger. No, the pond would be bigger, the fish the same.Your wrong, the players would be a lot better. Because the emphasis on technicial ability would be greater.
Quote from: Boomstick on June 20, 2014, 01:55:02 pmQuote from: Wild Rover on June 20, 2014, 01:34:56 pmQuote from: Boomstick on June 20, 2014, 12:59:58 pmQuote from: Wild Rover on June 20, 2014, 12:54:44 pmWouldn't matter if they said all 11 starters had to be English, the same squad as are out in Brazil would remain, as they are the best English 11. ( or 23 ).Your missing the point, in say 10 years time the team would be vastly better. It's time to give the english lads REAL chance. aswell as promoting skill and technical ability over speed and strength.No.....I am not missing the point. If ten years ago people were able to play more "English" in their teams, todays England would still be the same squad, as they are the best of that age .Your mistaken, the abundance of english talent would be ALOT bigger. No, the pond would be bigger, the fish the same.
Quote from: Wild Rover on June 20, 2014, 01:34:56 pmQuote from: Boomstick on June 20, 2014, 12:59:58 pmQuote from: Wild Rover on June 20, 2014, 12:54:44 pmWouldn't matter if they said all 11 starters had to be English, the same squad as are out in Brazil would remain, as they are the best English 11. ( or 23 ).Your missing the point, in say 10 years time the team would be vastly better. It's time to give the english lads REAL chance. aswell as promoting skill and technical ability over speed and strength.No.....I am not missing the point. If ten years ago people were able to play more "English" in their teams, todays England would still be the same squad, as they are the best of that age .Your mistaken, the abundance of english talent would be ALOT bigger.
Quote from: Boomstick on June 20, 2014, 12:59:58 pmQuote from: Wild Rover on June 20, 2014, 12:54:44 pmWouldn't matter if they said all 11 starters had to be English, the same squad as are out in Brazil would remain, as they are the best English 11. ( or 23 ).Your missing the point, in say 10 years time the team would be vastly better. It's time to give the english lads REAL chance. aswell as promoting skill and technical ability over speed and strength.No.....I am not missing the point. If ten years ago people were able to play more "English" in their teams, todays England would still be the same squad, as they are the best of that age .
Quote from: Wild Rover on June 20, 2014, 12:54:44 pmWouldn't matter if they said all 11 starters had to be English, the same squad as are out in Brazil would remain, as they are the best English 11. ( or 23 ).Your missing the point, in say 10 years time the team would be vastly better. It's time to give the english lads REAL chance. aswell as promoting skill and technical ability over speed and strength.
Wouldn't matter if they said all 11 starters had to be English, the same squad as are out in Brazil would remain, as they are the best English 11. ( or 23 ).
Quote from: Boomstick on June 20, 2014, 12:57:27 pmBut back on topic, why the f*** doesn't Wilshire start every game. He is so technically gifted, he could be our Pirlo. Boomstick - Is this a wind up?I can honestly never say I've ever seen anything technical about Wilshire. He runs around a bit, attempts a tackle (usually a late one), and every time hes tackled and hits the floor he looks as though he'll be injured for the next 6 months.
It doesn't help that (I'm sure I've read) our coaching courses are among the most expensive in Europe.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on June 20, 2014, 01:40:42 pmBoomstickLiverpool are awash with England "stars". The England team last night included Gerrard, Johnson, Henderson, Sterling, Sturridge plus Lambert and Lallana. They are the very model of what you'd like to see.Did any of those players look like anything better than first round group fodder last night?And in the meantime, if you "weaken the Premier League initially", where do you think the money is going to come from? Liverpool are a shining example, if every club did the same. Then England WOULD do better at the World Cup.
BoomstickLiverpool are awash with England "stars". The England team last night included Gerrard, Johnson, Henderson, Sterling, Sturridge plus Lambert and Lallana. They are the very model of what you'd like to see.Did any of those players look like anything better than first round group fodder last night?And in the meantime, if you "weaken the Premier League initially", where do you think the money is going to come from?
But instead you have arsenal buying players like carzola, who isn't any better technically but has the work rate and attitude to make it at the top level. But most important - he was given the chance
In the past 15 years we have reached the european u21 championship finals once and we got beat 4-0 by Germany, now look at the team line upsGermany - Neuer, Beck, Howedes, Boateng, Boenisch, Hummels, Johnson, Castro, Khedira, Ozil, Wagner. England - Loach, Cranie, Richards, Onuoha, Gibbs, Cattermole, Muamba, Noble, Milner, Walcott, JohnsonNeuer, Boateng, Hummels, Khedira and Ozil all started for Germany's opener against Portugal and play for top teams in Europe. Only Milner makes the squad for us and Scott Loach has just signed for Rotherham. We are producing players who are talented but we aren't taking them to the next level like other nations do.
Quote from: Boomstick on June 20, 2014, 03:43:27 pmBut instead you have arsenal buying players like carzola, who isn't any better technically but has the work rate and attitude to make it at the top level. But most important - he was given the chance Yeah, that Arsene Wenger, never one to give young players a chance. Are you talking about the same Cazorla who won Euro 2008 and Euro 2012 with Spain, only missing the World Cup win due to surgery, and has gained more than 60 caps in inarguably one of the most competitive squads in the history of international football? The same Cazorla who once made the top 10 best players in the world list? Former Spanish footballer of the year Cazorla? The same Cazorla who is so comfortable with either foot that he isn't entirely sure which foot he is better with? Made PL team of the season in his first season?JET is as good technically??? JET is technically good enough to playing alongside özil, Xavi, Iniesta, Fabregas etc? I'm not having a go; your comments just blew my mind.As far as man management goes, JET has seen it all; he has been nurtured like a baby at Arsenal, and left to sink or swim elsewhere, to varying degrees. He has failed to apply himself wherever he has been. He has had enough chances to fulfil his undoubted talent, but he clearly can't be arsed. Lazy in training I can understand, but lazy on the pitch? I've never been able to comprehend how somebody can't be arsed to run themselves into the ground for 90 minutes, for the kind of money on offer.
Quote from: Boomstick on June 20, 2014, 01:59:45 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on June 20, 2014, 01:40:42 pmBoomstickLiverpool are awash with England "stars". The England team last night included Gerrard, Johnson, Henderson, Sterling, Sturridge plus Lambert and Lallana. They are the very model of what you'd like to see.Did any of those players look like anything better than first round group fodder last night?And in the meantime, if you "weaken the Premier League initially", where do you think the money is going to come from? Liverpool are a shining example, if every club did the same. Then England WOULD do better at the World Cup. Aye. We could have a team full of Gerrards, Johnsons and Hendersons. I'm wetting my kecks in anticipation.
The truth about last night is that England were better than Uraguay, but Uraguay had Suarez.
Quote from: Orlandokarla on June 20, 2014, 08:30:47 pmQuote from: Boomstick on June 20, 2014, 03:43:27 pmBut instead you have arsenal buying players like carzola, who isn't any better technically but has the work rate and attitude to make it at the top level. But most important - he was given the chance Yeah, that Arsene Wenger, never one to give young players a chance. Are you talking about the same Cazorla who won Euro 2008 and Euro 2012 with Spain, only missing the World Cup win due to surgery, and has gained more than 60 caps in inarguably one of the most competitive squads in the history of international football? The same Cazorla who once made the top 10 best players in the world list? Former Spanish footballer of the year Cazorla? The same Cazorla who is so comfortable with either foot that he isn't entirely sure which foot he is better with? Made PL team of the season in his first season?JET is as good technically??? JET is technically good enough to playing alongside özil, Xavi, Iniesta, Fabregas etc? I'm not having a go; your comments just blew my mind.As far as man management goes, JET has seen it all; he has been nurtured like a baby at Arsenal, and left to sink or swim elsewhere, to varying degrees. He has failed to apply himself wherever he has been. He has had enough chances to fulfil his undoubted talent, but he clearly can't be arsed. Lazy in training I can understand, but lazy on the pitch? I've never been able to comprehend how somebody can't be arsed to run themselves into the ground for 90 minutes, for the kind of money on offer.Hahaha! Don't read too much into that example I gave you muppet! It was just off the top of my head. Not the best example I could have given. But I maintain carzola has no more technical ability than JET. - fact. Jack wilshire is England's best technically gifted player, why isn't he starting every game? he's head and shoulders above that slogger Gerard. Why has Wellens never given a chance in the premier? Because strength and pace are wrongly valued more than technical finess. If I had the choice of Wellens or Gerard, I'd pick Wellens all day as the more gifted footballer.
I think you need to look at the youth squads, and making potential england players play at every level for england, not just dump them into the 1st team after one year in the under-21s. That would be as good a place to start as any...