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I would have thought you would have had a pretty good take up on fb as they tend to be pretty vocal about some things
Quote from: Dagenham Rover on November 05, 2014, 03:30:18 pmI would have thought you would have had a pretty good take up on fb as they tend to be pretty vocal about some thingsThe trouble is that would mean them actually doing something about it, it's much easier to have a moan and berate those that do try
Quote from: Filo on November 05, 2014, 03:33:21 pmQuote from: Dagenham Rover on November 05, 2014, 03:30:18 pmI would have thought you would have had a pretty good take up on fb as they tend to be pretty vocal about some thingsThe trouble is that would mean them actually doing something about it, it's much easier to have a moan and berate those that do tryMaybe if you wasn't constantly berating them they might be a bit more positive.
Quote from: Wellred on November 05, 2014, 03:53:31 pmQuote from: Filo on November 05, 2014, 03:33:21 pmQuote from: Dagenham Rover on November 05, 2014, 03:30:18 pmI would have thought you would have had a pretty good take up on fb as they tend to be pretty vocal about some thingsThe trouble is that would mean them actually doing something about it, it's much easier to have a moan and berate those that do tryMaybe if you wasn't constantly berating them they might be a bit more positive.I doubt it, but given a chance to have a pop and you're on it in a flash!
Quote from: Filo on November 05, 2014, 03:55:41 pmQuote from: Wellred on November 05, 2014, 03:53:31 pmQuote from: Filo on November 05, 2014, 03:33:21 pmQuote from: Dagenham Rover on November 05, 2014, 03:30:18 pmI would have thought you would have had a pretty good take up on fb as they tend to be pretty vocal about some thingsThe trouble is that would mean them actually doing something about it, it's much easier to have a moan and berate those that do tryMaybe if you wasn't constantly berating them they might be a bit more positive.I doubt it, but given a chance to have a pop and you're on it in a flash!Do you ever have anything nice to say about anyone?
Quote from: Wellred on November 05, 2014, 03:56:47 pmQuote from: Filo on November 05, 2014, 03:55:41 pmQuote from: Wellred on November 05, 2014, 03:53:31 pmQuote from: Filo on November 05, 2014, 03:33:21 pmQuote from: Dagenham Rover on November 05, 2014, 03:30:18 pmI would have thought you would have had a pretty good take up on fb as they tend to be pretty vocal about some thingsThe trouble is that would mean them actually doing something about it, it's much easier to have a moan and berate those that do tryMaybe if you wasn't constantly berating them they might be a bit more positive.I doubt it, but given a chance to have a pop and you're on it in a flash!Do you ever have anything nice to say about anyone?Oh the irony
Yes but I get silenced for it!!!!Strange that isn't it?
Quote from: Wellred on November 05, 2014, 04:16:00 pmYes but I get silenced for it!!!!Strange that isn't it?And yet here you are, Wellred?Please fellas, don't turn this thread into a negative slanging match. If people don't want to respond on either here or fb, it's up to them. If it's because of perceived perceptions of me, then that's a shame as I have only met a handful of people in real life who are on that Facebook group.Reading between the lines I'm confident we, the fans, can organise an unreserved singing section somewhere in the south stand, and I'm also confident we could work the club, safety officer, stewards etc to allow fans in that section to stand, as many fans already do at the Keepmoat. The sticking point is always going to be those few fans that are set on doing this in the west stand; if we could get those fans in a room to explain why this can't happen, and the compromises fans from other clubs have made, I'm sure we could make this work and improve the atmosphere as a result.
I'm not having a dig at anyone. I don't bundle everyone in the facebook group together and to do so would be pointless. It is true that no-one has shown interest in attending though Wellred, which I have also stated on FB.
The number of people claiming Jobseekers allowance is 6,323 in Doncaster around 7.3% of working aged population. Around 2,000 of those people are long-term unemployed linked to drug/alcohol issues and minor medical problems. As such I don't think targeting the unemployed would attrack many more fans or improve the atmosphere. Discount tickets for youths would be a better approach. I'm talking 14-21. These are typically the people willing to make some noise but are often priced out once their parents stop paying for them to go. The other problem is the club won't sanction a singing section anywhere other than the south stand. Which is why it won't work among a hardcore of 5k.
Got to be honest those figures amaze me, not saying they are wrong, but only 6,000+ in a borough our size, surprises me!We have crowd size problems just the same as most teams in the country, the only ones who are doing well are such as Bradford, who set the prices at a realistic level for who they are, and where they are, and get great crowds.
I'd like to speak in support of this from first hand experience.I've met with Mark Bradley on 2 occasions, second time with Lee Croft a couple of years back. Was was always a frustration in the past that the club (Teflon Dave) would not take on board any of our recommendations (many taken from this forum) yet when those same recommendations are put forard by a professional consultant, it has a different effect. Not unique, we see it in buisness all the time, however Mark's involvement does help and he has influenced the club to listen and take onboard feedback. We would not have had those surveys had it not been for Mark persuading the club to be brave enough. These things do need revisiting periodically and now seems the right time. We have had a couple of bashes at this issue in the past and on reflection, if there is a trick we've missed, it's not involving the players. Having a players representative included in the discussion group would help us to understand what a 'good atmospehere' means to them.In addition, when was the last time we saw Donny Dog running up and down trying to get everyone going? Mark is good at helping us and the club to focus on the things we can do something about, rather than those out of our control. He has a wealth of knowledge about things that have been tried at other clubs so he can tell you what works and what might not. There may be other things Mark can help with such as improving the communication between club and fans.I would certainly recommend this to anyone who has an interest and is prepared to sacrifice a little time. BB, why not give it a go? You always speak well.