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can't remember who posted about the pleas to jr to lower the prices but if I remember rightly every time he did there was uproar on here that it was not fair on season ticket holders
Quote from: bpoolrover on November 22, 2014, 11:07:06 pmcan't remember who posted about the pleas to jr to lower the prices but if I remember rightly every time he did there was uproar on here that it was not fair on season ticket holdersAnd therein lies the main issue on dwindling attendances. If you dramatically drop prices you lose season ticket holders who have been potentially regular customers for years in the hope that a totally new fan comes along and gets hooked, like 'investment' in football, its a dangerous gamble. For me that was the core principle behind IRWT, too many clubs focus on what they can do to attract new fans, which I accept a club needs to do if it needs to progress, but absolutely no effort was being shown to retain the existing supporters. Month and month with different offers and speaking to families and newer fans but the only time a Season Ticket Holder usually gets contacted at a club is when its that time of year again to pay for your Season Ticket.
Quote from: Boomstick on November 22, 2014, 11:00:06 pmIt might cost a 6 figure sum in rent, but the potential income from a shop at the frenchgate is alot bigger. Not to mention the potential ticket sales, town centre presence etc. Now THATS investment worthwhile. So why did Streetwise go bust?The shop the club had in the town centre was also removed because it simply wasn't making enough as I remember. It would be a 6 figure sum in rent plus the cost of more stock, staffing and then overheads. It all quickly adds up and your hunting for turnover just short of a 7 figure sum just to cover the costs. Its also worth pointing out the busiest time in the Frenchgate is Saturday between 2-5. You'd think anyone half hearted in Rovers would be spending that time at the Keepmoat for 23 of those 52 Saturdays a year?
It might cost a 6 figure sum in rent, but the potential income from a shop at the frenchgate is alot bigger. Not to mention the potential ticket sales, town centre presence etc. Now THATS investment worthwhile.
Quote from: Mr1Croft on November 22, 2014, 11:00:52 pmQuote from: Boomstick on November 22, 2014, 11:00:06 pmIt might cost a 6 figure sum in rent, but the potential income from a shop at the frenchgate is alot bigger. Not to mention the potential ticket sales, town centre presence etc. Now THATS investment worthwhile. So why did Streetwise go bust?The shop the club had in the town centre was also removed because it simply wasn't making enough as I remember. It would be a 6 figure sum in rent plus the cost of more stock, staffing and then overheads. It all quickly adds up and your hunting for turnover just short of a 7 figure sum just to cover the costs. Its also worth pointing out the busiest time in the Frenchgate is Saturday between 2-5. You'd think anyone half hearted in Rovers would be spending that time at the Keepmoat for 23 of those 52 Saturdays a year?Why is sports direct thriving? I'm sure the 6 figure sum includes all the overheads inc staffing. Not every fan goes to games on a regular basis, don't forget the women shopping whilst the men are at footy. If rovers had a club shop in frenchgate, and ran it we'll with GOOD STOCK . It would thrive. The previous one failed to its poor (cheap) location. But first things first , the club shop at the stadium needs sorting. With a proper decor, good stock, friendly competent staff etc. it is poor by today's standards.
Quote from: Boomstick on November 22, 2014, 11:28:25 pmQuote from: Mr1Croft on November 22, 2014, 11:00:52 pmQuote from: Boomstick on November 22, 2014, 11:00:06 pmIt might cost a 6 figure sum in rent, but the potential income from a shop at the frenchgate is alot bigger. Not to mention the potential ticket sales, town centre presence etc. Now THATS investment worthwhile. So why did Streetwise go bust?The shop the club had in the town centre was also removed because it simply wasn't making enough as I remember. It would be a 6 figure sum in rent plus the cost of more stock, staffing and then overheads. It all quickly adds up and your hunting for turnover just short of a 7 figure sum just to cover the costs. Its also worth pointing out the busiest time in the Frenchgate is Saturday between 2-5. You'd think anyone half hearted in Rovers would be spending that time at the Keepmoat for 23 of those 52 Saturdays a year?Why is sports direct thriving? I'm sure the 6 figure sum includes all the overheads inc staffing. Not every fan goes to games on a regular basis, don't forget the women shopping whilst the men are at footy. If rovers had a club shop in frenchgate, and ran it we'll with GOOD STOCK . It would thrive. The previous one failed to its poor (cheap) location. But first things first , the club shop at the stadium needs sorting. With a proper decor, good stock, friendly competent staff etc. it is poor by today's standards. I'm not so sure. I remember when I moved to Hull 4 years ago seeing their club shop in the Princes Quay shopping centre for the first time. I stood in envy at the vibrant Hull City branding donning the Addidas logo, but as time went on and I kept noticing it I also noticed it was empty, now Hull have a much bigger fan base than us and they literally have no clubs within about 20 miles and the Princes Quay is as packed as the Frenchgate on a weekend so I ask if their club shop wasn't thriving why would ours?I think this was done through Addidas, it was well presented and was set up as good as a club store should be, and it was more of a retail outlet than a club shop so I don't think there is anything more they could have done and still it was empty every time I walked by.
Quote from: bpoolrover on November 22, 2014, 11:07:06 pmcan't remember who posted about the pleas to jr to lower the prices but if I remember rightly every time he did there was uproar on here that it was not fair on season ticket holdersAnd therein lies the main issue on dwindling attendances. If you dramatically drop prices you lose season ticket holders who have been potentially regular customers for years in the hope that a totally new fan comes along and gets hooked, like 'investment' in football, its a dangerous gamble. For me that was the core principle behind IRWT. Too many clubs focus on what they can do to attract new fans, which I accept a club needs to do if it is ever to progress. But absolutely no effort was being shown to retain the existing supporters. Month after month with different offers and speaking to families and newer fans but the only time a Season Ticket Holder usually gets contacted at a club is when its that time of year again to pay for your Season Ticket.
Quote from: Lifelong supporter on November 22, 2014, 12:16:12 pmQuote from: silent majority on November 22, 2014, 10:31:34 ami would suggest that most people who are talking about investment on here are really talking about short term gambling.Investment, certainly for the long term, should be put into the club infrastructure and concentrate on the youth and academy setup.You mean the same investment already previously provided and concentrating on the youth and academy set up that has produced one saleable asset in the last 15 years? That doesn't sound like a great business plan to me.That's not what I said.
Quote from: silent majority on November 22, 2014, 10:31:34 ami would suggest that most people who are talking about investment on here are really talking about short term gambling.Investment, certainly for the long term, should be put into the club infrastructure and concentrate on the youth and academy setup.You mean the same investment already previously provided and concentrating on the youth and academy set up that has produced one saleable asset in the last 15 years? That doesn't sound like a great business plan to me.
i would suggest that most people who are talking about investment on here are really talking about short term gambling.Investment, certainly for the long term, should be put into the club infrastructure and concentrate on the youth and academy setup.
Quote from: silent majority on November 22, 2014, 01:20:01 pmQuote from: Lifelong supporter on November 22, 2014, 12:16:12 pmQuote from: silent majority on November 22, 2014, 10:31:34 ami would suggest that most people who are talking about investment on here are really talking about short term gambling.Investment, certainly for the long term, should be put into the club infrastructure and concentrate on the youth and academy setup.You mean the same investment already previously provided and concentrating on the youth and academy set up that has produced one saleable asset in the last 15 years? That doesn't sound like a great business plan to me.That's not what I said.How strange.My eyes must be going funny.
When we summon up the b*llocks to call the stadium what it always should have been called. The Black Bank.
Quote from: Lifelong supporter on November 23, 2014, 05:01:45 pmQuote from: silent majority on November 22, 2014, 01:20:01 pmQuote from: Lifelong supporter on November 22, 2014, 12:16:12 pmQuote from: silent majority on November 22, 2014, 10:31:34 ami would suggest that most people who are talking about investment on here are really talking about short term gambling.Investment, certainly for the long term, should be put into the club infrastructure and concentrate on the youth and academy setup.You mean the same investment already previously provided and concentrating on the youth and academy set up that has produced one saleable asset in the last 15 years? That doesn't sound like a great business plan to me.That's not what I said.How strange.My eyes must be going funny.Obviously! You made a statement based very loosely on what I said. The very fact that you introduced the words 'you mean the' suggests that you interpretated what I said, wrongly as it happens!
My understanding is that season ticket sales went down year on year from the first Championship season.However, don't know about the mythical beast that is the floating Rovers supporter.It is feasible that BB could be right about declining away supporters, although logic would suggest that it was our lot that buggered off, rather than Forest, Leeds, Newcastle etc.Unless someone can disprove BB with stats on overall home support, rather than just season tickets?
Quote from: Chris Black come back on November 22, 2014, 08:58:31 pmMy understanding is that season ticket sales went down year on year from the first Championship season.However, don't know about the mythical beast that is the floating Rovers supporter.It is feasible that BB could be right about declining away supporters, although logic would suggest that it was our lot that buggered off, rather than Forest, Leeds, Newcastle etc.Unless someone can disprove BB with stats on overall home support, rather than just season tickets?Home/Away split at home games: Ave Att Home Visitors2008-09 11964 10449 15152009-10 10992 9582 14102010-11 10258 9058 12002011-12 9341 8000 13412012-13 7239 6814 425 (League 1)2013-14 9041 7130 1911So home support went down significantly each Championship seasonOn the overall subject of investment, last night I saw the documentary (The Club that Vanished) about Gretna and Brooks Mileson (wasn't he involved with Rovers at one stage?). For every Bournemouth there are several clubs like Gretna, Rushden & Diamonds, Portsmouth and Darlington. Beware the Icarus effect.
Quote from: Dutch Uncle on November 24, 2014, 12:41:35 pmQuote from: Chris Black come back on November 22, 2014, 08:58:31 pmMy understanding is that season ticket sales went down year on year from the first Championship season.However, don't know about the mythical beast that is the floating Rovers supporter.It is feasible that BB could be right about declining away supporters, although logic would suggest that it was our lot that buggered off, rather than Forest, Leeds, Newcastle etc.Unless someone can disprove BB with stats on overall home support, rather than just season tickets?Home/Away split at home games: Ave Att Home Visitors2008-09 11964 10449 15152009-10 10992 9582 14102010-11 10258 9058 12002011-12 9341 8000 13412012-13 7239 6814 425 (League 1)2013-14 9041 7130 1911So home support went down significantly each Championship seasonOn the overall subject of investment, last night I saw the documentary (The Club that Vanished) about Gretna and Brooks Mileson (wasn't he involved with Rovers at one stage?). For every Bournemouth there are several clubs like Gretna, Rushden & Diamonds, Portsmouth and Darlington. Beware the Icarus effect. Fascinating programme about Gretna. I don't think Mileson was ever involved with Rovers but he was a big pal of Trevor "the Major" Milton which led to speculation that he might get involved.
Quote from: The Red Baron on November 24, 2014, 12:51:40 pmQuote from: Dutch Uncle on November 24, 2014, 12:41:35 pmQuote from: Chris Black come back on November 22, 2014, 08:58:31 pmMy understanding is that season ticket sales went down year on year from the first Championship season.However, don't know about the mythical beast that is the floating Rovers supporter.It is feasible that BB could be right about declining away supporters, although logic would suggest that it was our lot that buggered off, rather than Forest, Leeds, Newcastle etc.Unless someone can disprove BB with stats on overall home support, rather than just season tickets?Home/Away split at home games: Ave Att Home Visitors2008-09 11964 10449 15152009-10 10992 9582 14102010-11 10258 9058 12002011-12 9341 8000 13412012-13 7239 6814 425 (League 1)2013-14 9041 7130 1911So home support went down significantly each Championship seasonOn the overall subject of investment, last night I saw the documentary (The Club that Vanished) about Gretna and Brooks Mileson (wasn't he involved with Rovers at one stage?). For every Bournemouth there are several clubs like Gretna, Rushden & Diamonds, Portsmouth and Darlington. Beware the Icarus effect. Fascinating programme about Gretna. I don't think Mileson was ever involved with Rovers but he was a big pal of Trevor "the Major" Milton which led to speculation that he might get involved.TRB,I believe your right about Mileson and Milton.I think previously he was a board member or chairman at Scarborough but he said he was frustrated at not being able to get the people,business's or community involved with the club and investment etc,so he left.Though how Gretna provided more than Scarborough Im not sure.Maybe why they vanished.Wish I'd seen the program
wot documentary that
Quote from: silent majority on November 23, 2014, 09:00:33 pmQuote from: Lifelong supporter on November 23, 2014, 05:01:45 pmQuote from: silent majority on November 22, 2014, 01:20:01 pmQuote from: Lifelong supporter on November 22, 2014, 12:16:12 pmQuote from: silent majority on November 22, 2014, 10:31:34 ami would suggest that most people who are talking about investment on here are really talking about short term gambling.Investment, certainly for the long term, should be put into the club infrastructure and concentrate on the youth and academy setup.You mean the same investment already previously provided and concentrating on the youth and academy set up that has produced one saleable asset in the last 15 years? That doesn't sound like a great business plan to me.That's not what I said.How strange.My eyes must be going funny.Obviously! You made a statement based very loosely on what I said. The very fact that you introduced the words 'you mean the' suggests that you interpretated what I said, wrongly as it happens!Have you ever thought of standing for parliament?
Quote from: Lifelong supporter on November 24, 2014, 12:38:34 pmQuote from: silent majority on November 23, 2014, 09:00:33 pmQuote from: Lifelong supporter on November 23, 2014, 05:01:45 pmQuote from: silent majority on November 22, 2014, 01:20:01 pmQuote from: Lifelong supporter on November 22, 2014, 12:16:12 pmQuote from: silent majority on November 22, 2014, 10:31:34 ami would suggest that most people who are talking about investment on here are really talking about short term gambling.Investment, certainly for the long term, should be put into the club infrastructure and concentrate on the youth and academy setup.You mean the same investment already previously provided and concentrating on the youth and academy set up that has produced one saleable asset in the last 15 years? That doesn't sound like a great business plan to me.That's not what I said.How strange.My eyes must be going funny.Obviously! You made a statement based very loosely on what I said. The very fact that you introduced the words 'you mean the' suggests that you interpretated what I said, wrongly as it happens!Have you ever thought of standing for parliament?Have you actually though about reading what I wrote instead of trying to find fault at every opportunity? I said ' Investment, certainly for the long term, should be put into the club infrastructure'. That's a point you continue to ignore, and yet you keep referring to our youth setup over the last 15 years, again something I didn't allude to. I'm quite clearly talking about where I believe the investment should be and not what has gone before. Why are you being so obtuse?
how did swansea fc do it