Is the European Central Bank taking the piss?

[wilts rover]

Oh dear Wheatleylad, only been on here a couple of weeks and you are already falling into the old 'madmickism' of doing exactly the same as that you are critising other people for.

I don't why you seem to be convinced that I am the other person. I am not. Is it so hard to believe that there may be more than one person who disagrees with some people on here? I have not personally attacked or abused anybody on here. I challenge their opinions , not attack the person. perhaps you could try and do the same?

Yes you have:

I cannot believe the politically motivated comments being made here. No amount of socialist ranting can change the facts......
A bit of common sense please and less armchair politics. Live in the real world.

Those sentences are not challenging anyone's opinion, they are attacking people for posting - in a similar way to a well known previous poster.

I was not attacking you, I was giving you advice, however unlikely you are to take it. I don't disagree with your opinions...I don't agree with them either...but as a 'new' poster I suggest, again, you leave out the derogatory comments when posting them.

[RedJ]

It's f**king obvious who it is. The only way it could be more obvious is if he had a f**koff hippo with a neon sign on its side reading "I'm Mick" as his avatar.

[donnyproletarian]

History a yorkshiremans perspective
How does this work out.Germany and England go to war mainly over cash.Millions die after being fed propoganda about the kieser bill killing babies.The 1st world war ends never to be repeated .We have homes fit for heroes promised by Lloyd George and the potential for revolution is thwarted as thousands of armed wage slaves return to the pits and squaler.
Meanwhile Germany are made to pay through the versailes treaty so history doesnt epeat itself.Enter Adolf who offers the Germans a way out blaming the nasty commies for their plight.He is democratically elected in publishing a book in which he turns against the jews for all to see.He invades one democracy after another.The Uk dont get involved until Poland is threatened as good old England has investments there.Enter Churchill who has flexed his muscles threatening Welsh miners with tanks.
We win the war but this times the spoils are divided up between the victors.The marshall plan is born.This is the scheme were millions of pounds of tax payers money is spent rebuilding their economy.Meanwhile the UK enjoys relative prosperity with the birth of the NHS and the welfare state.Concensus politics ensues backed by keynes economics.Labour dont try and nationalise the chip shops and the tories agree its a bad idea not to privatise everything.We have peace yupee.

However, nobody notices or appears  bothered that wars are being fought by proxy in other peoples back yards
By the new superpowers USA and USSR.
Fast forward 50 odd years and we have the likes of Thatcher imposing the new economic monetarist bible on our population being told by the Yanks through the IMF that the welfare state has to go.By this time of course we have had the winter of discontent were a democratically elected labour government have been blackmailed into renading on its manifesto.
Multinational corporations and unacountable faceless bankers look to short term gains oblivious to the suffering around them as the decline in manufacturing means workers are no longer needed to maximise profits.When the brown stuff inevitably hits the fan , who do we blame.The Greek people for not living within their means.For Gods sake people how does that work.

[IC1967]

History a yorkshiremans perspective
How does this work out.Germany and England go to war mainly over cash.Millions die after being fed propoganda about the kieser bill killing babies.The 1st world war ends never to be repeated .We have homes fit for heroes promised by Lloyd George and the potential for revolution is thwarted as thousands of armed wage slaves return to the pits and squaler.
Meanwhile Germany are made to pay through the versailes treaty so history doesnt epeat itself.Enter Adolf who offers the Germans a way out blaming the nasty commies for their plight.He is democratically elected in publishing a book in which he turns against the jews for all to see.He invades one democracy after another.The Uk dont get involved until Poland is threatened as good old England has investments there.Enter Churchill who has flexed his muscles threatening Welsh miners with tanks.
We win the war but this times the spoils are divided up between the victors.The marshall plan is born.This is the scheme were millions of pounds of tax payers money is spent rebuilding their economy.Meanwhile the UK enjoys relative prosperity with the birth of the NHS and the welfare state.Concensus politics ensues backed by keynes economics.Labour dont try and nationalise the chip shops and the tories agree its a bad idea not to privatise everything.We have peace yupee.

However, nobody notices or appears  bothered that wars are being fought by proxy in other peoples back yards
By the new superpowers USA and USSR.
Fast forward 50 odd years and we have the likes of Thatcher imposing the new economic monetarist bible on our population being told by the Yanks through the IMF that the welfare state has to go.By this time of course we have had the winter of discontent were a democratically elected labour government have been blackmailed into renading on its manifesto.
Multinational corporations and unacountable faceless bankers look to short term gains oblivious to the suffering around them as the decline in manufacturing means workers are no longer needed to maximise profits.When the brown stuff inevitably hits the fan , who do we blame.The Greek people for not living within their means.For Gods sake people how does that work.

I've read some drivel but this takes the biscuit. It's a good job I've decided to check in to see what has happened to the forum following my sabbatical.

First things first. I'm very disappointed in the lack of paragraphs and the spelling mistakes. It has really made my piss boil. I'd be here all day if I corrected all the errors so I'll just do a few. 'versaiiles treaty' should be Versailles Treaty. Is it just me around here that knows how to use capital letters? (BobG take note). Can we please have a space between the end of sentences and the beginning of the next ones? Is that too much to ask? I don't think so.

Squaler should be spelt squalor. Propoganda should be spelt propaganda. I could go on.

Take a leaf out of my book. Use grammer correctly and you will be taken far more seriously (note how many paragraphs I've used already).

I'm afraid any intelligent person reading your drivel will instantly dismiss your point of view because it is so badly worded and contains so many grammatical errors.

Go back and read some of my well constructed posts to learn how it should be done. I walked into a den of leftie vipers. When I left, this was a right wing forum. My work was done. Or so I thought. It seems you lefties need the voice of reason to keep an eye on you, so I have returned.

IC1967

[BobG]

Bejasus! He's a bloody recidivist as well...

BobG

[IC1967]

Bejasus! He's a bloody recidivist as well...

BobG

Look. We may have had our differences, but I'd appreciate it if you could stop using words that only me, you, BST, wheatleylad, and Marydene Rover understands (apologies to the one or two of you that I have missed out).

Take a leaf out of my book. Talk in language that people understand. Stop trying to show off.

IC1967

[wilts rover]

First things first. I'm very disappointed in the lack of paragraphs and the spelling mistakes. It has really made my piss boil. I'd be here all day if I corrected all the errors so I'll just do a few. 'versaiiles treaty' should be Versailles Treaty.

No it shouldn't, it should be the Treaty of Versailles.

If you are going to come on here and pick out faults with wot other people have ritten - then at least make sure you know what you are talking about.

I only have one issue with donnyproletarian post, the Marshall Plan didn't just rebuild the German economy after WWII, it rebuilt ours. We recieved more than twice as much money from it as they did.

[wheatleylad]

Oh dear Wheatleylad, only been on here a couple of weeks and you are already falling into the old 'madmickism' of doing exactly the same as that you are critising other people for.

I don't why you seem to be convinced that I am the other person. I am not. Is it so hard to believe that there may be more than one person who disagrees with some people on here? I have not personally attacked or abused anybody on here. I challenge their opinions , not attack the person. perhaps you could try and do the same?

Yes you have:

I cannot believe the politically motivated comments being made here. No amount of socialist ranting can change the facts......
A bit of common sense please and less armchair politics. Live in the real world.

Those sentences are not challenging anyone's opinion, they are attacking people for posting - in a similar way to a well known previous poster.

I was not attacking you, I was giving you advice, however unlikely you are to take it. I don't disagree with your opinions...I don't agree with them either...but as a 'new' poster I suggest, again, you leave out the derogatory comments when posting them.

I am not attacking the person personally. I am challenging their opinions. Please read what I say with objectivity. I have not swore at anybody, I have challenged their assertions. What is wrong with that? Are you frightened of a little debate?

[IC1967]

First things first. I'm very disappointed in the lack of paragraphs and the spelling mistakes. It has really made my piss boil. I'd be here all day if I corrected all the errors so I'll just do a few. 'versaiiles treaty' should be Versailles Treaty.

No it shouldn't, it should be the Treaty of Versailles.

If you are going to come on here and pick out faults with wot other people have ritten - then at least make sure you know what you are talking about.

I only have one issue with donnyproletarian post, the Marshall Plan didn't just rebuild the German economy after WWII, it rebuilt ours. We recieved more than twice as much money from it as they did.

You only have one issue!!! That says a lot.

Take some advice. I before E except after C.

IC1967

[donnyproletarian]

Ic whatever, I will take it as a compliment that you can only slag off my grammer and not the content of my viewpoint.

NEXT PARAGRAPH

I seldom get to laugh which is why I like to visit this forum and read your verbal masturbation on the many issues you are expert in

NEXT PARAGRAPHxa

Remember that history is written by the victors.I could go on about the hidden cirriculum and the brainwashing process that goes on in our education system but I cant be harsed , sorry meant arsed.

In my defence I could go on about my struggle with manual dexterity , thick fingers in negotiating this new tablet.I could also mitigate my grammer errors by by polnting out that I was on my fifth pint.However ,on reflection the only thing I would add to the debate is that we should remember that Greece is the birthplace of democracy and that Pluto, sorry Plato , would be turning in his grave if he could see the younger generations being penalised for a system they have had no control over.

What the Greek youth need to do is to push there elected leaders into carrying out the mandate they are there for.Personally I would nationalise the commanding hights of the economy and place them under workers control.Then we need to follow suit so the nasty greedy bankers have no place to hide.

Welcome back my false consious deluded right wing buddy.Carry on with your school teacher bully boy tactics , they do more for the cause of socialism than I ever could.

PS Are you sure your not one of those agent provocitares dudes

[IC1967]

Ic whatever, I will take it as a compliment that you can only slag off my grammer and not the content of my viewpoint.

NEXT PARAGRAPH

I seldom get to laugh which is why I like to visit this forum and read your verbal masturbation on the many issues you are expert in

NEXT PARAGRAPHxa

Remember that history is written by the victors.I could go on about the hidden cirriculum and the brainwashing process that goes on in our education system but I cant be harsed , sorry meant arsed.

In my defence I could go on about my struggle with manual dexterity , thick fingers in negotiating this new tablet.I could also mitigate my grammer errors by by polnting out that I was on my fifth pint.However ,on reflection the only thing I would add to the debate is that we should remember that Greece is the birthplace of democracy and that Pluto, sorry Plato , would be turning in his grave if he could see the younger generations being penalised for a system they have had no control over.

What the Greek youth need to do is to push there elected leaders into carrying out the mandate they are there for.Personally I would nationalise the commanding hights of the economy and place them under workers control.Then we need to follow suit so the nasty greedy bankers have no place to hide.

Welcome back my false consious deluded right wing buddy.Carry on with your school teacher bully boy tactics , they do more for the cause of socialism than I ever could.

PS Are you sure your not one of those agent provocitares dudes

I'm glad you are laughing with me. I do try to be entertaining as I dish out my pearls of wisdom.

One thing I will say for you. I do admire your passion. Keep up the good work. We may not see eye to eye but I do respect your opinion. I always give it great consideration before deciding I was right all along.

IC1967

[wheatleylad]

It's f***ing obvious who it is. The only way it could be more obvious is if he had a f***off hippo with a neon sign on its side reading "I'm Mick" as his avatar.

You really are obsessed with this "Mick" who you refer to. For the last time....I am not that person. Why do you insist on stating that I am? As I have said, is it too much for you to accept that there might be other people who challenge your opinions? I really find it funny that you obsess about him.

he disagrees with you and you plainly cannot handle it. All I can surmise is that you are an inexperienced adolescent, who lives on social media and not the real world.

Get over yourself.

[BobG]

Oh dear, oh dear. Mick's now started replying to himself using another of his many different personas. Mick owd lad. You developing schizophrenia? It sure does look like it man. I've been worried for quite some time now by this pathetic rush to reply to your own posts. But now you've started doing it as one of the random imaginary friends you've created, well, the achizophrenia has just jumped to a whole new level.

Get help man. Before it's too late. You're really starting to sink now.

BobG

[Orlandokarla]

It's f***ing obvious who it is. The only way it could be more obvious is if he had a f***off hippo with a neon sign on its side reading "I'm Mick" as his avatar.

You really are obsessed with this "Mick" who you refer to. For the last time....I am not that person. Why do you insist on stating that I am? As I have said, is it too much for you to accept that there might be other people who challenge your opinions? I really find it funny that you obsess about him.

he disagrees with you and you plainly cannot handle it. All I can surmise is that you are an inexperienced adolescent, who lives on social media and not the real world.

Get over yourself.

"Wheatleylad," click on your name. Go to see posts by this user. Read them.

That's why everybody insists that you're Mick.

[Orlandokarla]

Oh dear, oh dear. Mick's now started replying to himself using another of his many different personas. Mick owd lad. You developing schizophrenia? It sure does look like it man. I've been worried for quite some time now by this pathetic rush to reply to your own posts. But now you've started doing it as one of the random imaginary friends you've created, well, the achizophrenia has just jumped to a whole new level.

Get help man. Before it's too late. You're really starting to sink now.

BobG

I just had a thought Bob; perhaps his multiple personalities are not aware of each other?
That would explain everything.

[idler]

Oh dear, oh dear. Mick's now started replying to himself using another of his many different personas. Mick owd lad. You developing schizophrenia? It sure does look like it man. I've been worried for quite some time now by this pathetic rush to reply to your own posts. But now you've started doing it as one of the random imaginary friends you've created, well, the achizophrenia has just jumped to a whole new level.

Get help man. Before it's too late. You're really starting to sink now.

BobG

I just had a thought Bob; perhaps his multiple personalities are not aware of each other?
That would explain everything.

Brilliant! 😂

[IC1967]

Look. Its very simple. I am IC1967 and do not have an alter ego 'wheatleylad'.

You lefties have to realise that there are people in this world that think along similar lines. It doesn't mean they are the same person.

There is one piece of evidence that categorically proves I'm not wheatleylad. He agreed with some of BST's opinions! Nothing wrong with that but can any of you ever recall me agreeing with anything BST has said? No. I didn't think so.

Once and for all, we are two different people.

I'm quite happy for the mods to confirm this. They will be able to see we have different I.P. addresses.

Once confirmed, I expect those doubters amongst you to issue an immediate abject apology to wheatleylad. You might also stop being so rude to him for no reason.

IC1967

[Orlandokarla]

Look. Its very simple. I am IC1967 and do not have an alter ego 'wheatleylad'.

You lefties have to realise that there are people in this world that think along similar lines. It doesn't mean they are the same person.

There is one piece of evidence that categorically proves I'm not wheatleylad. He agreed with some of BST's opinions! Nothing wrong with that but can any of you ever recall me agreeing with anything BST has said? No. I didn't think so.

Once and for all, we are two different people.

I'm quite happy for the mods to confirm this. They will be able to see we have different I.P. addresses.

Once confirmed, I expect those doubters amongst you to issue an immediate abject apology to wheatleylad. You might also stop being so rude to him for no reason.

IC1967

Well if you say so, it must be true. It's not as though you've ever given anybody reason to doubt your word.

He does a bloody good impression of you, Mick; thinks like you, sounds just like you. The likeness is uncanny. It's not just what he says and how he says it, it's also what he doesn't say. He only posts on subjects that you would.
He agreed with BST on something, did he? Couldn't possibly be you then. Next he'll post a comment on football. That'll prove he isn't you. 

Check his profile, read his posts. IF, and that's the biggest IF in history, he is not an alt of yours, I'd be scared if I were you. Have you ever seen "Single White Female"?

It is my rudimentary understanding that IP addresses can show that two accounts are from the same address, but that anyone can alter their IP address with minimal effort, meaning that somebody with little expertise, could easily have a dozen alt accounts, all seemingly originating from a dozen different IP addresses. But then you knew all that already, didn't you?
Besides, how difficult is it to post from different locations anyway? I assume that like most people, I access this site regularly from a variety of locations, via several different networks.

Occam's Razor, Mick.

[IC1967]

Fair enough. Believe what you want. It only makes you look daft.

I would just ask that you stop being rude to wheatleylad (you know who you are). All he has ever done is express his opinion. He's done nothing to warrant abuse.

Send any abuse my way. It is water off a duck's back.


IC1967 (no aliases here)

[BRMC_rover]

Just returned from my holiday and noticed this thread was still alive. I was hoping for some rational debate from anyone with a differing view, but those that like to label anyone left of Mussolini a 'leftie' have just acted like a petty w**ker in correcting some errors into their version of English. People who skim over any actual content and contribution (as they have no reasoned response) is the sign of a sociopath, which explains why you endorse right wing, illiterate economics, so blindly. I cant understand how anyone in a working class town would uphold any ideal that they are so far from being part of. Its obvious some people just spout for the sake of attention, in any measure.

Donny Proletarian; are you involved at all in the Doncaster People's Assembly?

[The Red Baron]

Bloody hell! Two references in a week to Occam's Razor. One in this thread, another in the Billy Sharp discussion.

How long before people start referencing it in post match discussions? Maybe it could get worked into one of the Black Bank's chants!

[IC1967]

Just returned from my holiday and noticed this thread was still alive. I was hoping for some rational debate from anyone with a differing view, but those that like to label anyone left of Mussolini a 'leftie' have just acted like a petty w**ker in correcting some errors into their version of English. People who skim over any actual content and contribution (as they have no reasoned response) is the sign of a sociopath, which explains why you endorse right wing, illiterate economics, so blindly. I cant understand how anyone in a working class town would uphold any ideal that they are so far from being part of. Its obvious some people just spout for the sake of attention, in any measure.

Donny Proletarian; are you involved at all in the Doncaster People's Assembly?

Another one who doesn't like to use paragraphs.

IC1967

[BRMC_rover]

Another one who prefers to promote his own version of English language rather than offer rational debate. Your posts on the Labour leadership thread are also very contradictory to what you have posted here, although im sure yourself and no one else cares as your objectives in posting are clearly not to discuss, but rather entertain yourself.

[IC1967]

Another one who prefers to promote his own version of English language rather than offer rational debate. Your posts on the Labour leadership thread are also very contradictory to what you have posted here, although im sure yourself and no one else cares as your objectives in posting are clearly not to discuss, but rather entertain yourself.

Excuse me. Where have I contradicted myself?

Evidence man. Where is it?

Look. I'm generally very relaxed about the standard of grammer on this forum. I merely give out advice so people like you can make it a far more enjoyable experience reading your drivel. Its not a lot to ask for. The other solution is to keep your posts short and to the point so the issue of paragraphs doesn't crop up again.

Thanking you in anticipation of your future cooperation.

IC1967

[BRMC_rover]

You want Corbyn to win the Labour leadership and start practicing left wing politics within the only threat to the Tory regime? You have placed large bets on him at 10/1. So not only do you somewhere see the sense in his ideas and how many Labour supporters are crying out for someone to ditch the Tory-lite approach, but you have also placed your hard earned cash, confident that he will win. Why, unless you just came on here to get into arguments, wherever you possibly can, would you do what you have done?

Your effectively blowing the trumpet of the biggest left wing voice there is in this country at this time.

[IC1967]

You want Corbyn to win the Labour leadership and start practicing left wing politics within the only threat to the Tory regime? You have placed large bets on him at 10/1. So not only do you somewhere see the sense in his ideas and how many Labour supporters are crying out for someone to ditch the Tory-lite approach, but you have also placed your hard earned cash, confident that he will win. Why, unless you just came on here to get into arguments, wherever you possibly can, would you do what you have done?

Your effectively blowing the trumpet of the biggest left wing voice there is in this country at this time.

I'm sorry but you've lost me. I can't see any contradictions whatsoever. Let me make it plain. Any gambling I do is with my head not with my heart. Politics doesn't come into it.

I personally see no overall sense in his policies. I do agree with some of them, for example getting rid of the Royal Family. I think he would make Labour unelectable so he has my full support. Also for democracy to work the voice of the left has to be heard. I'm quite happy for that to occur in the unelectable Labour party. It would keep people like you and BST happy while the rest of us could get on with making the state smaller and letting people keep more of what they earned.


IC1967

[BRMC_rover]

Which policies do you not see any sense in and why? Id love to see some real counter-debate from you, but of course this would probably take a few days for you to read up and form some rationale on.

Why do you oppose the Royal Family? Single biggest demonstration of inequality? Proof that we have a dated 'master and servant' society?

Surely you would want a Balirite to win so that way, your beloved, self serving, right wing approach would be upheld either way, rather than having Corbyn rally the troops and give long time Labour voters and fence sitters something to get behind.

[BRMC_rover]

Keep what they earned is also a very naïve term. Its people like yourself that the Tory's cream over each night. Swallowing the next bitter pill after another, whilst fist pumping each erosive law passed that further upholds both classes and limits young people's opportunities. Your ancestors most likely fought hard or supported many laws and acts that protect and maintain some social balance, yet you come on here and spout nonsense, simply for the sake of a little attention and argument.

The only people who are really, Corbyn-bashing right now, are the shit scared, Murdoch media. Read any reputable source and they will give you an impartial overview as to what he wants to achieve and how it will help a lot more in the UK, than the Tory's are currently helping. Not hard, when the latter, in real terms is simply the 1%. Im guessing your one of the Tory supporters that accounts for a few quid extra per month as benefitting you and therefore you offer a big thumbs up and sod anyone else.

[IC1967]

Which policies do you not see any sense in and why? Id love to see some real counter-debate from you, but of course this would probably take a few days for you to read up and form some rationale on.

Why do you oppose the Royal Family? Single biggest demonstration of inequality? Proof that we have a dated 'master and servant' society?

Surely you would want a Balirite to win so that way, your beloved, self serving, right wing approach would be upheld either way, rather than having Corbyn rally the troops and give long time Labour voters and fence sitters something to get behind.

Excuse me. You're talking to someone that has battered every leftie senseless in every debate I've ever had on this forum. Just ask BST. He's given up the ghost because I've made him look so ridiculous.

I have almost singlehandedly turned this hard left forum into a right wing one. Where have you been for the last few years?

It seems you have decided to be the next lamb to the slaughter. Right. You've asked for it. In future I will take your leftie, socialist view apart bit by bit. By the time I'm finished with you you'll be begging for mercy.

You have been warned.


IC1967

[wheatleylad]

Well it seems that you are convinced that I am an alter ego! Quite amusing really, so I will not waste my breath trying to convince you anymore. There seems to be a sort of paranoia over this amongst a few of you.

I do agree with him on number of issues. Labour will be in the wilderness if it elects a left winger as its leader. What you are neglecting to consider is that whilst Doncaster may be a solid Labour seat, large tracts of England are not. Its called democracy. It will be a shame because the country needs a strong opposition to challenge the Tories. The Tories are far from perfect but the last Labour government made a mess. As someone who grew up in Wheatley, in challenging circumstances, I do not unreservedly support the Tories but I cannot support some of Labours policies.

I do not agree with him as regards the Royal family. I have met a number of them and attended a garden party at the Palace, so I could not be such a hypocrite. I think the Queen does a great job for this country.