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Always feels bit surreal walking into Leppings Lane end to sit in my comfy seat.
Anyhow, justice for the 96 will no doubt now morph into compo for the 96. I wonder how much syp third party liability runs into?Criminal charges for David duckenfield? They won't be happy until he is incarcerated and the key thrown away too I suspect.I've heard today that some are calling for the resignation of the current chief constable of syp.This will go on and on and on and on. It was of course a very very sad day for everybody.
Any poster on here who went to Everton with Rovers Circa 1985 will know how bad grounds were back then when it came to overcrowding,Once I got in behind the goal area I was stuck there, could barely breathe let alone move.
TRBAs I've said times many, there was a direct line from the SYP behaviour and fabrication of evidence at Orgreave, straight to Hillsborough 5 years later. They got away with it at Orgreave, although God alone knows how, given that they implicitly admitted fabricating evidence to try to get innocent men convicted of riot. I've long thought that that experience must have emboldened them and was part of the reason for the combination of cavalier arrogance and mendacity at Hillsborough. And as someone else has pointed out, in both cases, there was an unhealthily close relationship between them at the Thatcher Government.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 26, 2016, 08:01:24 pmTRBAs I've said times many, there was a direct line from the SYP behaviour and fabrication of evidence at Orgreave, straight to Hillsborough 5 years later. They got away with it at Orgreave, although God alone knows how, given that they implicitly admitted fabricating evidence to try to get innocent men convicted of riot. I've long thought that that experience must have emboldened them and was part of the reason for the combination of cavalier arrogance and mendacity at Hillsborough. And as someone else has pointed out, in both cases, there was an unhealthily close relationship between them at the Thatcher Government.BST... They as you call them have not got away with it at Orgreave. The IPCC have delayed their announcement whether they are to allow an enquiry or not, until after the Inquest was completed, it has has, so it is down now to the IPCC to give their decision. South Yorkshire Police was created in April 1974 and I joined in July 1974, YES it was totally built around Sheffield and Rotherham and took many years to sort itself out.. If you went on duty to a Semi as I did several times, you never got near the ground, that was the luxury of those dee dahs. we always ended up either in the city, down a pokey street or at Wadsley Bridge Station.
It's true that Hillsborough could have happened at any big ground in the 80s. Could easily have happened to us at Goodison that day. I got lifted clean off my feet in one surge. The saddest thing about Hillsborough is that it was a chain of events that all congealed into the disaster. If any one hadn't occurred, the disaster would never have happened. If the police hadn't lost control outside. If Duckenfield had instructed coppers to block the entrance to the tunnel to the central pen. If the barrier hadn't collapsed. If changes had been made to the entrance approach. If fans of all clubs hadn't been acting like Kitsons for years, leading to us being penned into cages. If, if, if. Lots of errors that individually were not disastrous, but collectively conspired to turn a difficulty into a catastrophe. As my old boss said under cross examination at the Inquest, "If certain steps had been taken, we would not be here today."
Quote from: bally1950 on April 26, 2016, 09:38:44 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 26, 2016, 08:01:24 pmTRBAs I've said times many, there was a direct line from the SYP behaviour and fabrication of evidence at Orgreave, straight to Hillsborough 5 years later. They got away with it at Orgreave, although God alone knows how, given that they implicitly admitted fabricating evidence to try to get innocent men convicted of riot. I've long thought that that experience must have emboldened them and was part of the reason for the combination of cavalier arrogance and mendacity at Hillsborough. And as someone else has pointed out, in both cases, there was an unhealthily close relationship between them at the Thatcher Government.BST... They as you call them have not got away with it at Orgreave. The IPCC have delayed their announcement whether they are to allow an enquiry or not, until after the Inquest was completed, it has has, so it is down now to the IPCC to give their decision. South Yorkshire Police was created in April 1974 and I joined in July 1974, YES it was totally built around Sheffield and Rotherham and took many years to sort itself out.. If you went on duty to a Semi as I did several times, you never got near the ground, that was the luxury of those dee dahs. we always ended up either in the city, down a pokey street or at Wadsley Bridge Station.An old colleague of yours told me he spent the whole afternoon sat in a van away from the ground in reserve unaware of what was unfolding
Sorry my responses are not being added, but no arguments here
Quote from: bally1950 on April 26, 2016, 09:47:31 pmSorry my responses are not being added, but no arguments hereThey're added, just in the middle of the txt you quoted, anyway Dave told me he only found out about what had happened when they were stood down. He remembers at the time that he had to be interviewed even though he had no knowledge of the events, he said even then that those doing the interviews were trying to put words into his mouth
Quote from: normal rules on April 26, 2016, 04:56:46 pmAnyhow, justice for the 96 will no doubt now morph into compo for the 96. I wonder how much syp third party liability runs into?Criminal charges for David duckenfield? They won't be happy until he is incarcerated and the key thrown away too I suspect.I've heard today that some are calling for the resignation of the current chief constable of syp.This will go on and on and on and on. It was of course a very very sad day for everybody.The Current Chief retires in a few months, he was due to go earlier but agreed to stay on until this was done.
Actually, on reflection I've removed my final paragraph above. It was unfair. The police media team were simply providing a summary of every day of the proceedings.
Murdoch eh? That f**king cancer in our society. The owner of The Sun which wrote those vile lies about Hillsborough. Just been browsing the papers this morning. Not a word about Hillsborough on the front page of The Sun. Not a word on the front page of The Times. First mention in The Times was page 12. Horrible, disgusting man.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 27, 2016, 07:34:41 amMurdoch eh? That f**king cancer in our society. The owner of The Sun which wrote those vile lies about Hillsborough. Just been browsing the papers this morning. Not a word about Hillsborough on the front page of The Sun. Not a word on the front page of The Times. First mention in The Times was page 12. Horrible, disgusting man. It seems the Times realised their boo-boo (you know, leading with a photo of a bloke shovelling snow and a banner about handbags instead of the longest legal case in UK history coming to a revelatory end after 27 years, just a minor mistake) and altered that for their second edition.Just to further highlight, the Sun instead decided that a feeble sex pun based around Cameron's aides using Whatsapp was worthy of the front page headline, whereas Hillsborough was not. Funny that.