Is Roy right?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Aaaannndddd...we get back to the point of the thread.

Thank you Hound.

[eastender]

Wasn't Spain 96 a draw.

If you are saying that we didnt beat Spain (because we only got through on pens) then that makes our record quite a bit better.
I feel much better now knowing that the Germans didnt beat us in that 96 semi final  !!

To be pedantic , we only beat Spain because they had a perfectly good goal disallowed for off side.

[dickos1]

England beat Wales
Wales beat Slovakia
England drew with Slovakia

Bradford beat Chelsea rovers beat Bradford we're better than chelsea

[BillyStubbsTears]

Dickos.

An England team with six changes drew withSlovakia.

Aaaaaaannnddd... we get back to the point of the thread.

[Sammy Chung was King]

Does Roy's decision, look better in hindsight, when we look at how the republic of ireland, visibly tired in the second half. Or can we really only decide that, if we beat iceland?.
I have seen a fair few teams, who have either gone down the rotating players route, and the playing the same side every game route, and it looks better for the rotating teams.
The problem is, most of the sides who have kept the same side, tend to be the weaker nations who have less options to play with, it's hard to judge for me.

[drfchound]

Wasn't Spain 96 a draw.

If you are saying that we didnt beat Spain (because we only got through on pens) then that makes our record quite a bit better.
I feel much better now knowing that the Germans didnt beat us in that 96 semi final  !!

To be pedantic , we only beat Spain because they had a perfectly good goal disallowed for off side.

To be pedantic back then, Argentina only beat us in France because Sol Campbell had a perfectly good goal disallowed.
Come to think of it, if Lampards shot had crossed the line the Germans might not have beaten us that day.

[Rich_The_Conisbrough_Rover]

Sterling, wilshere, smalling.. Definitely shouldn't haven't been at the tournement, feel for Ross Barkley, brilliant play but don't understand why Roy didnt see that.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Barkley?

Here's a thought.

Because he's even more clueless and more of a liability than the cack that played tonight?

[Chris Black come back]

Made this point last week. Take no pleasure in saying I was absolutely right - but I was absolutely right.

We have been soundly defeated by a country the size of Donny.

Total embarrassment but not unexpected in any way, shape or form. When will folk realise?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Wasn't Spain 96 a draw.

If you are saying that we didnt beat Spain (because we only got through on pens) then that makes our record quite a bit better.
I feel much better now knowing that the Germans didnt beat us in that 96 semi final  !!

To be pedantic , we only beat Spain because they had a perfectly good goal disallowed for off side.

To be pedantic back then, Argentina only beat us in France because Sol Campbell had a perfectly good goal disallowed.
Come to think of it, if Lampards shot had crossed the line the Germans might not have beaten us that day.

Hound. Go and have a look at the video again, and watch Shearer's arm.

And while you're at it, watch Owen's dive for the early penalty.

[dickos1]

Give over billy, you could go through every game in history and find silly things like that,

[BillyStubbsTears]

Dickos

The point being, of course, that we weren't unfairly treated in that game. I was responding to Hound's implication that we had been.

[Metalmicky]

At least Roy Hodgson had a coherent plan on how we should exit Europe.....

[drfchound]

Dickos

The point being, of course, that we weren't unfairly treated in that game. I was responding to Hound's implication that we had been.

Billy, there are very many goals in very many games that could be ruled out if the letter of the law was upheld and the refs spotted all the wrongdoings.
What about the greatest wrongdoing of all time (probably), that is Maradonnas' handball goal.
Maybe they wouldnt have won that day if the goal had been ruled out and Diego had been red carded for cheating and ungentlemanly conduct?

[Bentley Bullet]

Made this point last week. Take no pleasure in saying I was absolutely right - but I was absolutely right.

Total embarrassment but not unexpected in any way, shape or form. When will folk realise?

Funny, that's what a lot of folk said about Rovers last season while others were saying they'd reach the play-offs! And those that did predict right were condemned as petulant ingrates!

When will folk realise indeed!

[BillyStubbsTears]

Hound

Follow your logic.

You're saying that because refs sometimes miss infringements, they should ignore all infringements? Or if we commit a foul which the ref sees, we're hard done to and are justified in feeling cheated?

[drfchound]

No Billy, i am just stating a fact, that is all.
We (our teams) have got away with just as many as we have committed.
Originally i responded to a comment which said we drew with Spain (because we had only won on pens) which had (IMO) been made to worsen our record in tournaments (bringing down our win ratio -see what i mean).
I made my not being beaten by the Germans in 96 comment to equal that out (by bringing down our defeats ratio ).
I know you will still be with me.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Hound

In your words, we had "a perfectly good goal" disallowed against Argentina.

I say, "no we didnt". Shearer's forearm went into the keeper's face. It was a foul. It was a correct decision.

That was all we were talking about. The rest is irrelevant.

[drfchound]

Well, it wasn't all that i was talking about.
I still say that there will have been loads of goals allowed in similar circumstances, for and against us.
That goal of Campbells could quite easily have been allowed by a different ref or even the same ref on another day.

[BillyStubbsTears]

But. It. Was. A. Foul.

Therefore it wasn't "a perfectly good goal". Therefore there is nothing to complain about. Your complaint boils down to the fact that the referee didn't make a mistake.

[drfchound]

In the words of the Knight in The Quest for the Holy Grail, "lets call this a draw then".

[BillyStubbsTears]

Aye.

Penalties?

[drfchound]

See you in the park in the morning then.
I have a ball.