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Why should law abiding football followers have their freedom, rights, and respect taken away just because the idiots aren't properly dealt with?Personally, I was brought up to respect police officers, and my behavior reflects that, so why should I be treated like shit by them, just because I like football?
I get the respect thing working both ways, but it appears then when football fans are given a bit of freedom there have been too many incidents of exploiting this, leading to problems. For me, GTFC have made this problem worse by allowing any tom, dick and Harry the chance to have a ticket for this with their policy of selling 4 tickets to season ticket holders. God knows who's got their hands on them!I completely agree with the dry train policy. Unfortunately some people are idiots and given a free reign will abuse it. Allowing these people the chance to get smashed at 10:00am on public transport is, quite frankly irresponsible policing
Quote from: silent majority on December 14, 2016, 09:39:33 pmYou are an insolent and rude individual. Your ignorance and lack of experience of Policing football crowds is pretty obvious whereas the old cronies at the FSF and myself have been involved in this for over twenty five years. I myself started out with the FSF because of the issues following England around the world, and being an England supporter I can guarantee that turning up for an away game and being treated like shit is not the way to Police a football crowd. Because of our experience in these areas we regularly advise Police forces, here in the UK and overseas, about the best way to handle football crowds. We have several very well educated lecturers and trained crowd behaviour experts in our ranks, we attend every single pre-visit carried out by British Police before any national game is played, we are heavily involved in planning for all major tournaments and recently FIFA, following the UEFA lead, has suggested that every nation will adopt the Fans Embassy approach, something we pioneered 20 years ago. The responsibility for Policing football in this country and England fans abroad, lies with the Home Office, utilising the UKFPU (UK Football Police Unit) and they have been partnering with the FSF for as long as I can remember.We have a full time employee, paid for out of Football Foundation grants, whose job it is to liaise with supporters, Police forces, safety advisory groups and any other statutory bodies to ensure that football supporters are treated correctly, fairly and within the law. Yes respect has to be earned, but that cuts both ways. If you treat supporters with respect they give it back, treat them badly and that's what you get, bad behaviour. Unfortunately for you, respect is something that you have in short supply.Yeah, you're banging the drum going blah, blah, blah... and what have you achieved?I'm only an 'insolent and rude individual' because I don't agree with your f*cking point of view.Evidently, two particular police forces aren't listening to a word you and your organisation say, otherwise they'd be taking a free and easy approach, letting Grimsby Town followers get tanked up on the train journey, and creating a situation where there's already potential for disorder, but alcohol has been added to the situation.I don't think their behaviour is draconian, whatsoever. Their job is to protect the public and ensure everyone has a trouble-free, hassle-free day - both football fans going to this particular game and regular commuters going wherever.If you wanted 'draconian' behaviour, then if they made the game a 'bubble' for away fans, like they do with Burnley-Blackburn, for example, then I'd get it.It's just preventative measures to try and minimise the risk for trouble.If it kicked off, you and your organisation would be the first ones coming down like a ton of bricks on whichever police force for not having measures in place to prevent the disorder.With complimentsA rude and insolent individual.
You are an insolent and rude individual. Your ignorance and lack of experience of Policing football crowds is pretty obvious whereas the old cronies at the FSF and myself have been involved in this for over twenty five years. I myself started out with the FSF because of the issues following England around the world, and being an England supporter I can guarantee that turning up for an away game and being treated like shit is not the way to Police a football crowd. Because of our experience in these areas we regularly advise Police forces, here in the UK and overseas, about the best way to handle football crowds. We have several very well educated lecturers and trained crowd behaviour experts in our ranks, we attend every single pre-visit carried out by British Police before any national game is played, we are heavily involved in planning for all major tournaments and recently FIFA, following the UEFA lead, has suggested that every nation will adopt the Fans Embassy approach, something we pioneered 20 years ago. The responsibility for Policing football in this country and England fans abroad, lies with the Home Office, utilising the UKFPU (UK Football Police Unit) and they have been partnering with the FSF for as long as I can remember.We have a full time employee, paid for out of Football Foundation grants, whose job it is to liaise with supporters, Police forces, safety advisory groups and any other statutory bodies to ensure that football supporters are treated correctly, fairly and within the law. Yes respect has to be earned, but that cuts both ways. If you treat supporters with respect they give it back, treat them badly and that's what you get, bad behaviour. Unfortunately for you, respect is something that you have in short supply.
So it sort of boils down to British Transport Police "doing there own thing"
Quote from: Dagenham Rover on December 15, 2016, 12:18:48 pmSo it sort of boils down to British Transport Police "doing there own thing" Yes pretty much, its certainly nothing to do with SY Police. Its a bit more difficult to get the message across to these guys, although we do have two participants on what's known as the 'Rail Forum', because they operate on a more national basis and not as regional as most Police Forces.
Quote from: silent majority on December 15, 2016, 12:25:16 pmQuote from: Dagenham Rover on December 15, 2016, 12:18:48 pmSo it sort of boils down to British Transport Police "doing there own thing" Yes pretty much, its certainly nothing to do with SY Police. Its a bit more difficult to get the message across to these guys, although we do have two participants on what's known as the 'Rail Forum', because they operate on a more national basis and not as regional as most Police Forces.Thought as much, but you would think they would take advice from the local forces ................
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Extra police officers will be working on the railway in South Yorkshire looking for Christmas revellers at risk of offending.British Transport Police said over half of all crimes recorded on the region’s railway last Christmas were public order offences, with alcohol involved in many.Officers recorded 43 offences of violence and public order in South Yorkshire - 25 in Doncaster and 18 in Sheffield.The force said one third of the offences were alcohol related.Chief Inspector Pete Kooper said: “We want everyone to have fun over the festive period but every year we see passengers getting into trouble on the rail network because they’ve drunk more than they usually would and behaved in a way they wouldn’t dream of if sober. “That’s no fun for anyone and unfortunately last Christmas we saw a rise in public order offences and anti-social behaviour. “We believe they could have been avoided if people had just drunk a little less and thought about how alcohol affects the way they behave and the impact this has on other passengers."Ch Insp Kooper added: “Our priority is making sure everyone gets to their destination safely and you will see more of our officers on the network helping people to enjoy the festivities, nipping any anti-social behaviour in the bud and deterring any violence. “We have launched a national campaign asking people to have fun but also to keep a clear head and think about what you would do, and how you would behave if you were sober. There is no excuse for spoiling other people’s journeys or abusing rail staff just because you’re drunk. “Having a drink could cost more than you think, not only could you find yourself with a criminal record, but we’ve seen peoples careers, livelihoods, relationship and dignity ruined following a drunken night out, don’t let that be you."About answers questions...I suspect from today's DFP
Red Lion rammed with them already according to my lad