Another referendum?

[Glyn_Wigley]

Lipsy I'm no Economist but what currency do you think Scotland will have and what about the financial support required to back it? I can't see Alfies Mum allowing them to keep the pound

The backing would come from Scotland's share of the UK gold reserve they're entitled to.

[Yargo]

I wouldn't have thought it was much fun you watching it judging by the amount of moaning you've done in this thread.

Oh come on he's been hilarious,i reckon Gazza will be turning up at Lipsys soon with a fishing rod and bottle of whiskey

[Lipsy]

I quite like whiskey - you'd all be very welcome.

Here's a lovely video of May-bot, irony turned up to 11:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4EZgngIdmA" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4EZgngIdmA</a>

[Lipsy]

Actually, Gazza lives in my neck of the woods - I have never seen him with any chicken. 

[Glyn_Wigley]

I quite like whiskey - you'd all be very welcome.

Here's a lovely video of May-bot, irony turned up to 11:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4EZgngIdmA" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4EZgngIdmA</a>

I think the 'they won't be able to make an informed decision' excuse that they've used is brilliant. As you can't have more knowledge in the past, that means they think the Scots weren't making an informed decision when they voted in the EU referendum. Or, by implication, the rest of us! What does that say about the result? lol

[Bentley Bullet]

No it doesn't. She is saying is that it will be best for the Scots to know what deal the UK can reach before they make a decision on independence.

[Lipsy]

No it doesn't. She is saying is that it will be best for the Scots to know what deal the UK can reach before they make a decision on independence.

[Lipsy]

I think that this sums up the situation perfectly:

[Glyn_Wigley]

No it doesn't. She is saying is that it will be best for the Scots to know what deal the UK can reach before they make a decision on independence.

So the rest of us were making an informed decision when we voted in the referendum even though we didn't know what deal the UK will get either?

[Bentley Bullet]

I dare say none of us knew what deal the UK would get, apart from you of course, but seeing as Jimmy Crankie's request for a vote on independence is a different issue to Scotland's vote to remain in the EU, Theresa May has a point in saying they should wait and see what deal the UK can reach  before they make a decision on independence.

[Glyn_Wigley]

If May has a point in saying the Scots should make an informed decision, it also underlines the case for the whole UK to wait and see what deal we get and then hold an informed referendum before deciding to leave the EU. QED.

[Bentley Bullet]

 So what you're saying is the UK should see what deal we get from leaving the EU, and if it's crap we should hold another referendum?

[Glyn_Wigley]

So what you're saying is the UK should see what deal we get from leaving the EU, and if it's crap we should hold another referendum?

No, we should see what deal we get from the EU then hold a referendum so that we can make an informed decision - as May is telling Scotland they have to do.

To do otherwise means that the Prime Minister is saying that Scotland cannot make a decision on independence without having the information on what Brexit deal the UK gets, but that she is happy to accept the whole UK making an uninformed decision to leave the EU when that same information is even more important to know when making that decision! If May is going to be consistent in her logic, then she should commit to hold another EU referendum when we all have the information to make an informed decision.

...and you can't say the two scenarios are different because it is the exact same information that is needed to make an informed decision in both cases.

[Bentley Bullet]

So if you think that we should also have a referendum once we find out the deal we will get from the EU, Theresa May can't be so wrong by insisting that Scotland does the same?

[Yargo]

Perhaps it's time for a general election,i was in favour of one last summer/autumn as no party had a mandate for which ever way the referendum went.That would be funny,old man Steptoe with his no limits to mass migration and friends of the late Billy Stubbs R.I.P, such as Lord and Lady Kinnock's son saying there has to be controls,and Diane Abbott telling everyone that is racist.Utter carnage ensues.General election please

[Glyn_Wigley]

So if you think that we should also have a referendum once we find out the deal we will get from the EU, Theresa May can't be so wrong by insisting that Scotland does the same?

I want for everybody to have the full information before making a final decision of such fundamental importance to the country and its economy, as long as it applies equally to everybody. It was ridiculous to have made any such decision without that information. Don't you agree? Do you think May will insist everybody has that information  before making a fully informed final decision, or will she apply it just the Scots and deny it to the rest of us?

[Bentley Bullet]

The two scenarios are different though. England voted to leave, and got it's wish. Scotland voted to remain, and didn't get it's wish!

May isn't asking for another vote on Brexit, we're leaving and that's final. She's asking Scotland to consider the deal the UK gets before it votes on the other issue of independence, which she believes will be of significant influence in the outcome of that vote.

[Glyn_Wigley]

So you're saying the very same information wasn't of significant influence in the EU referendum? And why is she happy to accept our uninformed decision buit not apply that equally?

[Bentley Bullet]

You said the scenarios are exactly the same, and they're not.

Look, it's Friday night and you're starting to bore me now. I'll tell you what, you carry on believing what you believe, and I'll just ignore you.

[RedJ]

The two scenarios are different though. England voted to leave, and got it's wish. Scotland voted to remain, and didn't get it's wish!

Scotland voted to remain a part of the United Kingdom. The United Kingdom voted to leave. There were not separate referendums for each part of the Union.

[Dagenham Rover]

So you're saying the very same information wasn't of significant influence in the EU referendum? And why is she happy to accept our uninformed decision buit not apply that equally?

according to you   

[Yargo]

Lipsy I'm no Economist but what currency do you think Scotland will have and what about the financial support required to back it? I can't see Alfies Mum allowing them to keep the pound

The backing would come from Scotland's share of the UK gold reserve they're entitled to.

Oh it would eh? You mean what is left of Britain's meagre gold reserves after the very pro EU new labour sold loads off very cheaply?Should I be surprised that  an expert on every eventual outcome of international trade negotiations such  as you  forgot to mention that Jockland would also be entitled to their share of Britain's debt,a debt that would wipe out all Scots public services,thats before the convergence criteria for joining the Euro would,but hey pander to virulent nationalism of the SNP variety,well the Brussels National Party,or henceforth known as the BNP

[Sprotyrover]

Tariffs: how do they work?  Excuse me for being a bit thick over this,but if we have to pay a Tarriff on goods exported to the Eu and the Eu has to pay a Tarriff on stuff they export to us,how can this be a bad thing for the UK?
I can't produce the exact figures but we import 25% more than we export.

[Yargo]

I notice whiskey exports have risen post referendum,this scum bag tells all about it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0xgLajhpLs

[Glyn_Wigley]

So you're saying the very same information wasn't of significant influence in the EU referendum? And why is she happy to accept our uninformed decision buit not apply that equally?

according to you   

No - according to Theresa May. That's the point.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Tariffs: how do they work?  Excuse me for being a bit thick over this,but if we have to pay a Tarriff on goods exported to the Eu and the Eu has to pay a Tarriff on stuff they export to us,how can this be a bad thing for the UK?
I can't produce the exact figures but we import 25% more than we export.

Tariffs are paid on imports by the importer, not on exports by the exporter.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Lipsy I'm no Economist but what currency do you think Scotland will have and what about the financial support required to back it? I can't see Alfies Mum allowing them to keep the pound

The backing would come from Scotland's share of the UK gold reserve they're entitled to.

Oh it would eh? You mean what is left of Britain's meagre gold reserves after the very pro EU new labour sold loads off very cheaply?Should I be surprised that  an expert on every eventual outcome of international trade negotiations such  as you  forgot to mention that Jockland would also be entitled to their share of Britain's debt,a debt that would wipe out all Scots public services,thats before the convergence criteria for joining the Euro would,but hey pander to virulent nationalism of the SNP variety,well the Brussels National Party,or henceforth known as the BNP

I didn't talk about the Scottish share of the National Debt they would inherit because the question was about what any future Scottish currency would be backed by. Which is gold. Not debt. Hence not mentioning it. Why on Earth do you think it was relevant to the question I was answering to have made it necessary to mention?

PS Why do you think that National Debt is somehow connected to International Trade?

[Sprotyrover]

 Right Glynn thanks for that, so we buy our lamb and butter from New Zealand again and Lamb goes back to being the cheapest meat, we buy our beef from our new bestie buddies the Argies and hey presto iit is half the price what we pay now.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Right Glynn thanks for that, so we buy our lamb and butter from New Zealand again and Lamb goes back to being the cheapest meat, we buy our beef from our new bestie buddies the Argies and hey presto iit is half the price what we pay now.

No, the price from those countries remains exactly the same as leaving the EU has absolutely no impact of the cost of importing from them with regards to Customs Duties and VAT, only on the imports/exports we have with the EU. If imports from those countries become our cheapest imports it woul be because the price of others has gone up, not that NZ butter of Argentine beef has got cheaper.

EDIT: Having said that, CAP will not apply once we leave the EU but there will almost certainly be a UK replacement in order to protect UK producers (especially by a Conservative government) but there's been no details given yet about what will happen. As May has said that we will leave the Single Market you would have expected that this should have already have been thought about...

[hoolahoop]

What Scotland has to realise, is if they vote to leave the union then come running back cap in hand a broke Country they will not get back what they had, the rest of the UK will surely play hardball with them

It's just that sort of attitude that will ensure they will leave taking their oil, gas, green energy reserves, fisheries and territorial waters with them .

Oh and then we will have to stump the cost of losing our nuclear submarine bases and northern air force bases. Plenty of money has been going into the Exchequer from Scotland these last 40 years, multi billions.
Filo it's patently obvious that you are yet another one of my fellow countrymen that are living in a distant past that will NOT return. Yet another Socialist that is backing the Far Right Tory doctrines and huge lies behind the nonsense that is t**tting and destructive Brexit. Soon we will see who the real lovers of this country really are.......