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He's always going to divide opinions, but he was undoubtedly a man of conviction who ultimately played a key role in negotiating a lasting peace.
Quote from: Syme on March 21, 2017, 08:52:26 amHe's always going to divide opinions, but he was undoubtedly a man of conviction who ultimately played a key role in negotiating a lasting peace.It seems he also played a key role in Bloody Sunday which ulitmately led to further violence during the troubles. The man was a terrorist, pure and simple! Would everyone be fawning over Bin Laden if he turned to Politics?
Who alledgedly fired the first shot on Bloody Sunday?
Quote from: Filo on March 21, 2017, 10:16:56 amWho alledgedly fired the first shot on Bloody Sunday?On balance, British troops
What are you basing that allegation on Filo? It contradicts the official findings of the Saville report which found that:"The firing by soldiers of 1 PARA on Bloody Sunday caused the deaths of 13 people and injury to a similar number, none of whom was posing a threat of causing death or serious injury. What happened on Bloody Sunday strengthened the Provisional IRA, increased nationalist resentment and hostility towards the Army and exacerbated the violent conflict of the years that followed. Bloody Sunday was a tragedy for the bereaved and the wounded, and a catastrophe for the people of Northern Ireland"You can pin a lot of things on McGuinness, but unfortunately there is little evidence to support what you're alleging/repeating. However it is absolutely understandable that your own horrible experiences may cloud your judgement on this somewhat.
Quote from: Syme on March 21, 2017, 10:52:51 amWhat are you basing that allegation on Filo? It contradicts the official findings of the Saville report which found that:"The firing by soldiers of 1 PARA on Bloody Sunday caused the deaths of 13 people and injury to a similar number, none of whom was posing a threat of causing death or serious injury. What happened on Bloody Sunday strengthened the Provisional IRA, increased nationalist resentment and hostility towards the Army and exacerbated the violent conflict of the years that followed. Bloody Sunday was a tragedy for the bereaved and the wounded, and a catastrophe for the people of Northern Ireland"You can pin a lot of things on McGuinness, but unfortunately there is little evidence to support what you're alleging/repeating. However it is absolutely understandable that your own horrible experiences may cloud your judgement on this somewhat.Ah, but you can allege as much as you like and eventually it'll stick...
I went last year. There are still some towns and villages in the backwoods that you just don't go to. They can almost smell that you're English.
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on March 21, 2017, 12:07:49 pmQuote from: Syme on March 21, 2017, 10:52:51 amWhat are you basing that allegation on Filo? It contradicts the official findings of the Saville report which found that:"The firing by soldiers of 1 PARA on Bloody Sunday caused the deaths of 13 people and injury to a similar number, none of whom was posing a threat of causing death or serious injury. What happened on Bloody Sunday strengthened the Provisional IRA, increased nationalist resentment and hostility towards the Army and exacerbated the violent conflict of the years that followed. Bloody Sunday was a tragedy for the bereaved and the wounded, and a catastrophe for the people of Northern Ireland"You can pin a lot of things on McGuinness, but unfortunately there is little evidence to support what you're alleging/repeating. However it is absolutely understandable that your own horrible experiences may cloud your judgement on this somewhat.Ah, but you can allege as much as you like and eventually it'll stick...He was IRA commander, he sanctioned and probably commited the murders of many people in Northern Ireland and on the mainland UK. Today he takes those secrets of what he has done to the grave! He ended his political carreer in January on the pretext of a disagreement with the NI first minister, he refused to nominate a successor to his position, thats hardly condusive to the power sharing a agreement he supposedly work hard for was it?He commited to peace to save his own skin and avoid jail, when he knew he was dying he resigned and blamed the first minister and threw Northern Ireland back in to uncertainty!
Quote from: Filo on March 21, 2017, 01:25:48 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on March 21, 2017, 12:07:49 pmQuote from: Syme on March 21, 2017, 10:52:51 amWhat are you basing that allegation on Filo? It contradicts the official findings of the Saville report which found that:"The firing by soldiers of 1 PARA on Bloody Sunday caused the deaths of 13 people and injury to a similar number, none of whom was posing a threat of causing death or serious injury. What happened on Bloody Sunday strengthened the Provisional IRA, increased nationalist resentment and hostility towards the Army and exacerbated the violent conflict of the years that followed. Bloody Sunday was a tragedy for the bereaved and the wounded, and a catastrophe for the people of Northern Ireland"You can pin a lot of things on McGuinness, but unfortunately there is little evidence to support what you're alleging/repeating. However it is absolutely understandable that your own horrible experiences may cloud your judgement on this somewhat.Ah, but you can allege as much as you like and eventually it'll stick...He was IRA commander, he sanctioned and probably commited the murders of many people in Northern Ireland and on the mainland UK. Today he takes those secrets of what he has done to the grave! He ended his political carreer in January on the pretext of a disagreement with the NI first minister, he refused to nominate a successor to his position, thats hardly condusive to the power sharing a agreement he supposedly work hard for was it?He commited to peace to save his own skin and avoid jail, when he knew he was dying he resigned and blamed the first minister and threw Northern Ireland back in to uncertainty!I don't disagree with much of what you've just written (I do disagree about his motives for resigning because I see no reason or advantage that Sinn Fein would get from triggering a process that would mean they lost the power they share when it reverts to London), but what's that got to do with the allegation you made?
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on March 21, 2017, 02:33:35 pmQuote from: Filo on March 21, 2017, 01:25:48 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on March 21, 2017, 12:07:49 pmQuote from: Syme on March 21, 2017, 10:52:51 amWhat are you basing that allegation on Filo? It contradicts the official findings of the Saville report which found that:"The firing by soldiers of 1 PARA on Bloody Sunday caused the deaths of 13 people and injury to a similar number, none of whom was posing a threat of causing death or serious injury. What happened on Bloody Sunday strengthened the Provisional IRA, increased nationalist resentment and hostility towards the Army and exacerbated the violent conflict of the years that followed. Bloody Sunday was a tragedy for the bereaved and the wounded, and a catastrophe for the people of Northern Ireland"You can pin a lot of things on McGuinness, but unfortunately there is little evidence to support what you're alleging/repeating. However it is absolutely understandable that your own horrible experiences may cloud your judgement on this somewhat.Ah, but you can allege as much as you like and eventually it'll stick...He was IRA commander, he sanctioned and probably commited the murders of many people in Northern Ireland and on the mainland UK. Today he takes those secrets of what he has done to the grave! He ended his political carreer in January on the pretext of a disagreement with the NI first minister, he refused to nominate a successor to his position, thats hardly condusive to the power sharing a agreement he supposedly work hard for was it?He commited to peace to save his own skin and avoid jail, when he knew he was dying he resigned and blamed the first minister and threw Northern Ireland back in to uncertainty!I don't disagree with much of what you've just written (I do disagree about his motives for resigning because I see no reason or advantage that Sinn Fein would get from triggering a process that would mean they lost the power they share when it reverts to London), but what's that got to do with the allegation you made?It wasn't about what was good for Sinn Fein, it was about what was good for Mcguiness