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Quote from: hoolahoop on October 30, 2017, 08:02:45 amQuote from: not on facebook on September 12, 2017, 10:12:38 amQuote from: RedJ on September 12, 2017, 09:28:23 amThey'd have had a majority regardless. Frank Field is that far to the right of the party he's a Tory in all but name anyway and Dennis Skinner has always hated the EU from what I can tell.Most people up north voted for brexit in the big vote ,but when the Labour Party members went to vote yesterday the Labour Party order them to vote against what their constinuancys voted for .7 Labour voted in line with the Tory wish yesterday and I guess within line of the community's they repesent who all voted for brexit .Mrs Clint abstanined from the vote .I can't see all 7 Labour mps been far right minded can I ?It's the fact that corbyn barked down to all Labour mps to vote a certain way ,when from where Iam looking it goes against what many Labour community's had voted for ." Most people up north voted for brexit " That is quite simply NOT true - where did you get this statistic from ? Check this map out - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36616028With exception of Scotland that link pretty much backs up NOF
Quote from: not on facebook on September 12, 2017, 10:12:38 amQuote from: RedJ on September 12, 2017, 09:28:23 amThey'd have had a majority regardless. Frank Field is that far to the right of the party he's a Tory in all but name anyway and Dennis Skinner has always hated the EU from what I can tell.Most people up north voted for brexit in the big vote ,but when the Labour Party members went to vote yesterday the Labour Party order them to vote against what their constinuancys voted for .7 Labour voted in line with the Tory wish yesterday and I guess within line of the community's they repesent who all voted for brexit .Mrs Clint abstanined from the vote .I can't see all 7 Labour mps been far right minded can I ?It's the fact that corbyn barked down to all Labour mps to vote a certain way ,when from where Iam looking it goes against what many Labour community's had voted for ." Most people up north voted for brexit " That is quite simply NOT true - where did you get this statistic from ? Check this map out - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36616028
Quote from: RedJ on September 12, 2017, 09:28:23 amThey'd have had a majority regardless. Frank Field is that far to the right of the party he's a Tory in all but name anyway and Dennis Skinner has always hated the EU from what I can tell.Most people up north voted for brexit in the big vote ,but when the Labour Party members went to vote yesterday the Labour Party order them to vote against what their constinuancys voted for .7 Labour voted in line with the Tory wish yesterday and I guess within line of the community's they repesent who all voted for brexit .Mrs Clint abstanined from the vote .I can't see all 7 Labour mps been far right minded can I ?It's the fact that corbyn barked down to all Labour mps to vote a certain way ,when from where Iam looking it goes against what many Labour community's had voted for .
They'd have had a majority regardless. Frank Field is that far to the right of the party he's a Tory in all but name anyway and Dennis Skinner has always hated the EU from what I can tell.
Quote from: del boy on October 30, 2017, 09:35:02 amQuote from: hoolahoop on October 30, 2017, 08:02:45 amQuote from: not on facebook on September 12, 2017, 10:12:38 amQuote from: RedJ on September 12, 2017, 09:28:23 amThey'd have had a majority regardless. Frank Field is that far to the right of the party he's a Tory in all but name anyway and Dennis Skinner has always hated the EU from what I can tell.Most people up north voted for brexit in the big vote ,but when the Labour Party members went to vote yesterday the Labour Party order them to vote against what their constinuancys voted for .7 Labour voted in line with the Tory wish yesterday and I guess within line of the community's they repesent who all voted for brexit .Mrs Clint abstanined from the vote .I can't see all 7 Labour mps been far right minded can I ?It's the fact that corbyn barked down to all Labour mps to vote a certain way ,when from where Iam looking it goes against what many Labour community's had voted for ." Most people up north voted for brexit " That is quite simply NOT true - where did you get this statistic from ? Check this map out - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36616028With exception of Scotland that link pretty much backs up NOFThen it's a shame that 'the north' includes Scotland then, isn't it?
Personally I feel Corbyn got it wrong during the referendum campaign. For 30 years he’s been a critique of the EU and took that stance from a left wing anti capitalism point of view. He could have took that view point during the referendum, instead the left wing argument was only being championed by right wing political jesters such as Farage and Boris. I have no doubt in my mind that had Corbyn championed the Brexit vote he would be in Number 10. Sadly it was an open goal, but that is why he doesn’t have a Brexit stance because he doesn’t need to. He’s not the one doing the negotiating (not yet, anyway) and it wasn’t him that called the referendum to settle a debate in his own party.
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on October 30, 2017, 09:40:21 amQuote from: del boy on October 30, 2017, 09:35:02 amQuote from: hoolahoop on October 30, 2017, 08:02:45 amQuote from: not on facebook on September 12, 2017, 10:12:38 amQuote from: RedJ on September 12, 2017, 09:28:23 amThey'd have had a majority regardless. Frank Field is that far to the right of the party he's a Tory in all but name anyway and Dennis Skinner has always hated the EU from what I can tell.Most people up north voted for brexit in the big vote ,but when the Labour Party members went to vote yesterday the Labour Party order them to vote against what their constinuancys voted for .7 Labour voted in line with the Tory wish yesterday and I guess within line of the community's they repesent who all voted for brexit .Mrs Clint abstanined from the vote .I can't see all 7 Labour mps been far right minded can I ?It's the fact that corbyn barked down to all Labour mps to vote a certain way ,when from where Iam looking it goes against what many Labour community's had voted for ." Most people up north voted for brexit " That is quite simply NOT true - where did you get this statistic from ? Check this map out - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36616028With exception of Scotland that link pretty much backs up NOFThen it's a shame that 'the north' includes Scotland then, isn't it?It's a shame I said with the exception of Scotland then isn't it.
Quote from: del boy on October 30, 2017, 09:47:34 amQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on October 30, 2017, 09:40:21 amQuote from: del boy on October 30, 2017, 09:35:02 amQuote from: hoolahoop on October 30, 2017, 08:02:45 amQuote from: not on facebook on September 12, 2017, 10:12:38 amQuote from: RedJ on September 12, 2017, 09:28:23 amThey'd have had a majority regardless. Frank Field is that far to the right of the party he's a Tory in all but name anyway and Dennis Skinner has always hated the EU from what I can tell.Most people up north voted for brexit in the big vote ,but when the Labour Party members went to vote yesterday the Labour Party order them to vote against what their constinuancys voted for .7 Labour voted in line with the Tory wish yesterday and I guess within line of the community's they repesent who all voted for brexit .Mrs Clint abstanined from the vote .I can't see all 7 Labour mps been far right minded can I ?It's the fact that corbyn barked down to all Labour mps to vote a certain way ,when from where Iam looking it goes against what many Labour community's had voted for ." Most people up north voted for brexit " That is quite simply NOT true - where did you get this statistic from ? Check this map out - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36616028With exception of Scotland that link pretty much backs up NOFThen it's a shame that 'the north' includes Scotland then, isn't it?It's a shame I said with the exception of Scotland then isn't it. But NOF didn't, so what you say isn't really relevant is it?
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on October 30, 2017, 10:23:18 amQuote from: del boy on October 30, 2017, 09:47:34 amQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on October 30, 2017, 09:40:21 amQuote from: del boy on October 30, 2017, 09:35:02 amQuote from: hoolahoop on October 30, 2017, 08:02:45 amQuote from: not on facebook on September 12, 2017, 10:12:38 amQuote from: RedJ on September 12, 2017, 09:28:23 amThey'd have had a majority regardless. Frank Field is that far to the right of the party he's a Tory in all but name anyway and Dennis Skinner has always hated the EU from what I can tell.Most people up north voted for brexit in the big vote ,but when the Labour Party members went to vote yesterday the Labour Party order them to vote against what their constinuancys voted for .7 Labour voted in line with the Tory wish yesterday and I guess within line of the community's they repesent who all voted for brexit .Mrs Clint abstanined from the vote .I can't see all 7 Labour mps been far right minded can I ?It's the fact that corbyn barked down to all Labour mps to vote a certain way ,when from where Iam looking it goes against what many Labour community's had voted for ." Most people up north voted for brexit " That is quite simply NOT true - where did you get this statistic from ? Check this map out - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36616028With exception of Scotland that link pretty much backs up NOFThen it's a shame that 'the north' includes Scotland then, isn't it?It's a shame I said with the exception of Scotland then isn't it. But NOF didn't, so what you say isn't really relevant is it?Glyn you are one boring, sarcastic argumentative individual
Quote from: del boy on October 30, 2017, 10:53:03 amQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on October 30, 2017, 10:23:18 amQuote from: del boy on October 30, 2017, 09:47:34 amQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on October 30, 2017, 09:40:21 amQuote from: del boy on October 30, 2017, 09:35:02 amQuote from: hoolahoop on October 30, 2017, 08:02:45 amQuote from: not on facebook on September 12, 2017, 10:12:38 amQuote from: RedJ on September 12, 2017, 09:28:23 amThey'd have had a majority regardless. Frank Field is that far to the right of the party he's a Tory in all but name anyway and Dennis Skinner has always hated the EU from what I can tell.Most people up north voted for brexit in the big vote ,but when the Labour Party members went to vote yesterday the Labour Party order them to vote against what their constinuancys voted for .7 Labour voted in line with the Tory wish yesterday and I guess within line of the community's they repesent who all voted for brexit .Mrs Clint abstanined from the vote .I can't see all 7 Labour mps been far right minded can I ?It's the fact that corbyn barked down to all Labour mps to vote a certain way ,when from where Iam looking it goes against what many Labour community's had voted for ." Most people up north voted for brexit " That is quite simply NOT true - where did you get this statistic from ? Check this map out - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36616028With exception of Scotland that link pretty much backs up NOFThen it's a shame that 'the north' includes Scotland then, isn't it?It's a shame I said with the exception of Scotland then isn't it. But NOF didn't, so what you say isn't really relevant is it?Glyn you are one boring, sarcastic argumentative individual It was you that questioned /argued with my post first wasn't it not Glyn - you are the argumentative one. If just 600k had changed their minds the result would have been athe worst a draw for Remain. Do you think the South voted to Leave in droves too - if so where did the 16,000,000 + Remain voters come from ?
I get the impression that NOF was referring to the North as the North of England. I suspect people who frequently jump down his throat thought the same, but chose to ignore that, in order to continue to clutch at straws to give the tired old argument more life.Let's look at what happened. Del boy said, "With exception of Scotland that link pretty much backs up NOF".That statement is 100% correct and true. I suppose Hoola's statement that "If just 600k had changed their minds the result would have been at the worst a draw for Remain" is also true, but's that's just plain silly!
I get the impression that NOF was referring to the North as the North of England. I suspect people who frequently jump down his throat thought the same, but chose to ignore that, in order to continue to clutch at straws to give the tired old argument more life.
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on October 30, 2017, 11:31:44 amI get the impression that NOF was referring to the North as the North of England. I suspect people who frequently jump down his throat thought the same, but chose to ignore that, in order to continue to clutch at straws to give the tired old argument more life.I never thought NOF meant 'up north' as meaning 'ignoring Scotland' at all. But I ignored it as I wasn't the one debating the point with him, unlike someone else who decided to stick their oar in and rewrite what NOF said for him just to be argumentative. All I did was point out that that wasn't what NOF said in the first place and yet I'm the one who gets called argumentative!
TRBSurely you're not suggesting that Corbyn engages in anything so base as hiding his own opinions and engaging in calculated political deception?
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on October 30, 2017, 11:57:25 amQuote from: Bentley Bullet on October 30, 2017, 11:31:44 amI get the impression that NOF was referring to the North as the North of England. I suspect people who frequently jump down his throat thought the same, but chose to ignore that, in order to continue to clutch at straws to give the tired old argument more life.I never thought NOF meant 'up north' as meaning 'ignoring Scotland' at all. But I ignored it as I wasn't the one debating the point with him, unlike someone else who decided to stick their oar in and rewrite what NOF said for him just to be argumentative. All I did was point out that that wasn't what NOF said in the first place and yet I'm the one who gets called argumentative!Being very selective with the points there again Glyn to suit your argument
Quote from: del boy on October 30, 2017, 12:08:10 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on October 30, 2017, 11:57:25 amQuote from: Bentley Bullet on October 30, 2017, 11:31:44 amI get the impression that NOF was referring to the North as the North of England. I suspect people who frequently jump down his throat thought the same, but chose to ignore that, in order to continue to clutch at straws to give the tired old argument more life.I never thought NOF meant 'up north' as meaning 'ignoring Scotland' at all. But I ignored it as I wasn't the one debating the point with him, unlike someone else who decided to stick their oar in and rewrite what NOF said for him just to be argumentative. All I did was point out that that wasn't what NOF said in the first place and yet I'm the one who gets called argumentative!Being very selective with the points there again Glyn to suit your argumentWhat did I miss out?
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on October 30, 2017, 02:54:12 pmQuote from: del boy on October 30, 2017, 12:08:10 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on October 30, 2017, 11:57:25 amQuote from: Bentley Bullet on October 30, 2017, 11:31:44 amI get the impression that NOF was referring to the North as the North of England. I suspect people who frequently jump down his throat thought the same, but chose to ignore that, in order to continue to clutch at straws to give the tired old argument more life.I never thought NOF meant 'up north' as meaning 'ignoring Scotland' at all. But I ignored it as I wasn't the one debating the point with him, unlike someone else who decided to stick their oar in and rewrite what NOF said for him just to be argumentative. All I did was point out that that wasn't what NOF said in the first place and yet I'm the one who gets called argumentative!Being very selective with the points there again Glyn to suit your argumentWhat did I miss out?I also said you were boring and sarcastic not just argumentative. As i said very selective.
I don't think NOF 'ignored' Scotland in his reference to the North. I just think he was meaning the North of England. To ignore something is to refuse to take notice of or acknowledge, or disregard intentionally. I don't think he did. It's obvious that you thought he did, hence the sarcastic accusation that he 'ignored' Scotland as being part of the North.
Answer me, then I'll stop boring you. Simple.If you don't, I - and everybody else - can only presume you don't know the meaning of the word selective and will no doubt resort to more abuse because you can't answer any other way.
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on October 30, 2017, 03:46:46 pmAnswer me, then I'll stop boring you. Simple.If you don't, I - and everybody else - can only presume you don't know the meaning of the word selective and will no doubt resort to more abuse because you can't answer any other way.The part where I stated "excluding Scotland" you selectively ignored the excluding part. Is that ok for you.
unlike someone else who decided to stick their oar in and rewrite what NOF said for him just to be argumentative.
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on October 30, 2017, 03:54:17 pmI don't think NOF 'ignored' Scotland in his reference to the North. I just think he was meaning the North of England. To ignore something is to refuse to take notice of or acknowledge, or disregard intentionally. I don't think he did. It's obvious that you thought he did, hence the sarcastic accusation that he 'ignored' Scotland as being part of the North.That's all well and good. Apart from the fact that I didn't say NOF ignored Scotland at all, whether sarcastic or not. Which it wasn't. In fact I have already clearly said that I think NOF's use of 'up north' includes Scotland.
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on October 30, 2017, 04:07:12 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on October 30, 2017, 03:54:17 pmI don't think NOF 'ignored' Scotland in his reference to the North. I just think he was meaning the North of England. To ignore something is to refuse to take notice of or acknowledge, or disregard intentionally. I don't think he did. It's obvious that you thought he did, hence the sarcastic accusation that he 'ignored' Scotland as being part of the North.That's all well and good. Apart from the fact that I didn't say NOF ignored Scotland at all, whether sarcastic or not. Which it wasn't. In fact I have already clearly said that I think NOF's use of 'up north' includes Scotland.Well if that's the case I must have got lost in the translation of your gobbledegook. I still think that NOF was referring to the North of England, but omitted to say the 'of England' bit and that you refused to accept that suggestion in order to continue your boring campaign of doom.