The three goals

[Filo]

5 year olds would have been ahamed of that defending!

The first Wright drops an almighty bollock by trying to run it out, but it has to be said, where was any help, Alcock appeard to run away from the ball and their guy was in our box with not a player near him!

The second when they break, we have four or five players all running to where the ball is, leaving the goascorer in acres of space on the far side.

The third comes from our corner kick, Kongolo mis places his pass but still gets goalside of his man on the halfway line, a cynical side would have fouled him there on halfway, not let him run it to the edge of the box

[dickos1]

U can't blame the players though

[Filo]

U can't blame the players though

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[Bessie Red]

5 year olds would have been ahamed of that defending!

The first Wright drops an almighty bollock by trying to run it out, but it has to be said, where was any help, Alcock appeard to run away from the ball and their guy was in our box with not a player near him!

The second when they break, we have four or five players all running to where the ball is, leaving the goascorer in acres of space on the far side.

The third comes from our corner kick, Kongolo mis places his pass but still gets goalside of his man on the halfway line, a cynical side would have fouled him there on halfway, not let him run it to the edge of the box

Agreed with all those points Filo. However I firmly believe that if Marquis had put away that simple chance in the first half then this board would have been a completely different beast tonight!!

[Filo]

5 year olds would have been ahamed of that defending!

The first Wright drops an almighty bollock by trying to run it out, but it has to be said, where was any help, Alcock appeard to run away from the ball and their guy was in our box with not a player near him!

The second when they break, we have four or five players all running to where the ball is, leaving the goascorer in acres of space on the far side.

The third comes from our corner kick, Kongolo mis places his pass but still gets goalside of his man on the halfway line, a cynical side would have fouled him there on halfway, not let him run it to the edge of the box

Agreed with all those points Filo. However I firmly believe that if Marquis had put away that simple chance in the first half then this board would have been a completely different beast tonight!!

Possibly, we'll never know, but one think is for sure, the players did not earn their wage this week

[DonnyBazR0ver]

There's no doubt goals change games and lifts confidence. The concerning thing though, throughout the game was our passing and movement was poor overall. Time and time again, moves broke down due to bad decision making, pass execution or positioning. Many times players were running away from the ball carrier rather than giving a simple pass option.

Mason, had loads of space on his flank but everytime he received the ball we weren't quick enough to support him.

What's alarming though, is how bad it disintegrates. I thought with Houghton back, the midfield would operate much better but even he's being dragged down from his normal standard and looked a very frustrated figure at times.

[dickos1]

U can't blame the players though

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That seems to be the concensous of people on here. The awful mistakes were fergusons fault

[Donnywolf]

Yes goals DO change games and had the shot that hit the post gone in or the subsequent rebound the complexion of the game may have been totally different . Their heads may have gone down with their appalling away record but as Filo says elsewhere "we will never know"

What we know is that their 3 goals were all "gifted" and if nothing else the Player(s) involved simply HAVE to learn from those mistakes and hopefully will

[balbyrover]

I'm not convinced by Ferguson at all and I do think he should do the honourable thing and walk to be honest.
However you cant blame him for individual errors like yesterday,its schoolboy stuff and shouldn't be happening at any level in football.

[Cramby10]

5 year olds would have been ahamed of that defending!

The first Wright drops an almighty bollock by trying to run it out, but it has to be said, where was any help, Alcock appeard to run away from the ball and their guy was in our box with not a player near him!

The second when they break, we have four or five players all running to where the ball is, leaving the goascorer in acres of space on the far side.

The third comes from our corner kick, Kongolo mis places his pass but still gets goalside of his man on the halfway line, a cynical side would have fouled him there on halfway, not let him run it to the edge of the box

Agreed with all those points Filo. However I firmly believe that if Marquis had put away that simple chance in the first half then this board would have been a completely different beast tonight!!

agree with all points, especially this one on marquis. If that had been Williams who had put that performance in today he would've been hounded out of town! The misssed chance was an obvious mistake, but the constant sulking and waving of arms which is always levelled at Williams and the countless mis placed passes. Now call me old fashioned, but I like to see my strikers actually get it the box!!!! What the hell he is playing at week in week out coming so deep trying to be some sort of play maker, which he most definitely isn't cos he can't pass wind, god only knows.
There were numerous times yesterday when we were attacking with maybe 5 forward an he was the only one not in the box! He's supposed to be our goal scorer for crying out loud.
If this is how he is going to continue to play then we may as well play an extra midfielder who can actually pass the ball. Comfortably one of our worst players yesterday.

[The Red Baron]

Glad someone else thought Marquis was poor yesterday. Williams should walk back in as soon as he's fit.

[Filo]

Glad someone else thought Marquis was poor yesterday. Williams should walk back in as soon as he's fit.

People will look at his goal tally this season and say he's doing what a striker should do, score goals. But his general play this season has been awful, theres something that has clearly changed from his mindset of last season

[mushRTID]

Glad someone else thought Marquis was poor yesterday. Williams should walk back in as soon as he's fit.

People will look at his goal tally this season and say he's doing what a striker should do, score goals. But his general play this season has been awful, theres something that has clearly changed from his mindset of last season

He's out of his depth.

[since-1969]

All types of mistakes lead to goals and we’ve shown that were susceptible as most teams . DF can only teach the players how to draw the mistakes out of the opposition but capitalising them is another thing . Marquis hasn’t had many opportunities to help build from last seasons great season,  but yesterday’s miss has to drop his belief in himself at this level even lower . The fine margins of how a mistake can change a game was evident every time Mason contributed to the game . DF correctly subbed him yet from that point onwards it was one after another as DF contributed his own mistake in taking off Baudry on 55mins , For had he played for another 10 minutes when we were still battling to get o hold of the game , things could have gone in a different direction.

[Filo]

All types of mistakes lead to goals and we’ve shown that were susceptible as most teams . DF can only teach the players how to draw the mistakes out of the opposition but capitalising them is another thing . Marquis hasn’t had many opportunities to help build from last seasons great season,  but yesterday’s miss has to drop his belief in himself at this level even lower . The fine margins of how a mistake can change a game was evident every time Mason contributed to the game . DF correctly subbed him yet from that point onwards it was one after another as DF contributed his own mistake in taking off Baudry on 55mins , For had he played for another 10 minutes when we were still battling to get o hold of the game , things could have gone in a different direction.

Masons replacement, Alcock was complicit in the circumstances that led to the first goal, yes Wrights almighty bollock, but look at the positioning of the other players around them, the ball was won on the byline and went to a Walsall player in the corner of our 18 yard area in acres of space, Alcock saw that as he was having a gentle amble back, for some reason Alcock chose to run away from that player, meaning Butler had to come across to cover Alcocks man leaving the goal scorer in acres of space. Alcock has a lot to answer for on that first goal

[Cramby10]

All types of mistakes lead to goals and we’ve shown that were susceptible as most teams . DF can only teach the players how to draw the mistakes out of the opposition but capitalising them is another thing . Marquis hasn’t had many opportunities to help build from last seasons great season,  but yesterday’s miss has to drop his belief in himself at this level even lower . The fine margins of how a mistake can change a game was evident every time Mason contributed to the game . DF correctly subbed him yet from that point onwards it was one after another as DF contributed his own mistake in taking off Baudry on 55mins , For had he played for another 10 minutes when we were still battling to get o hold of the game , things could have gone in a different direction.

Masons replacement, Alcock was complicit in the circumstances that led to the first goal, yes Wrights almighty bollock, but look at the positioning of the other players around them, the ball was won on the byline and went to a Walsall player in the corner of our 18 yard area in acres of space, Alcock saw that as he was having a gentle amble back, for some reason Alcock chose to run away from that player, meaning Butler had to come across to cover Alcocks man leaving the goal scorer in acres of space. Alcock has a lot to answer for on that first goal

this was unbelievable. Me and my mate had to wait to look at the screen for the replay to confirm that we weren't seeing things. The ball was completely loose for someone to win yet he chose to run in the opposite direction. Breathtaking!

[dickos1]

Marquis has been poor mainly this season but heat still on course to be our highest ever goalscorer at this level

Williams has been worse and he's not scoring either, and people say he should walk back into the side! Why?

[Filo]

Marquis has been poor mainly this season but heat still on course to be our highest ever goalscorer at this level

Williams has been worse and he's not scoring either, and people say he should walk back into the side! Why?

You have to be in the team to score

[Donnybax]

Williams needs a run of games to start scoring and he hasn't had that for a while. You can't give him 20 minutes one week, 10 the next, then be an unused sub and expect him to score goals.

[dickos1]

Marquis has been poor mainly this season but heat still on course to be our highest ever goalscorer at this level

Williams has been worse and he's not scoring either, and people say he should walk back into the side! Why?

You have to be in the team to score

He has been
He didn't do it in league 2 never mind league 1

[GazLaz]

The last goal, as soon as Rodney gave it away we he should have brought the player down and took the yellow card. That’s just being street wise. I’d have done that when I was playing in the under 12, these lads should know.

[Filo]

The last goal, as soon as Rodney gave it away we he should have brought the player down and took the yellow card. That’s just being street wise. I’d have done that when I was playing in the under 12, these lads should know.

Without a doubt, we see it all the time against us

[Lesonthewest]

Yes maybe we should have been in front at half due to the only piece of good play all afternoon, but I found that first half performance alarming due to the poor opposition & the way Fergy says how he wants his teams to play, that's a worrying sign for me. When the season began I liked the way we got in peoples faces & attacked with purpose, that has all completely disappeared from our game, very frustrating, & concerning.

[pib]

We're a badly organised team and too easy to break down.

Doesn't help when you pile ridiculous errors on top of that though.

[bobbymax]

All types of mistakes lead to goals and we’ve shown that were susceptible as most teams . DF can only teach the players how to draw the mistakes out of the opposition but capitalising them is another thing . Marquis hasn’t had many opportunities to help build from last seasons great season,  but yesterday’s miss has to drop his belief in himself at this level even lower . The fine margins of how a mistake can change a game was evident every time Mason contributed to the game . DF correctly subbed him yet from that point onwards it was one after another as DF contributed his own mistake in taking off Baudry on 55mins , For had he played for another 10 minutes when we were still battling to get o hold of the game , things could have gone in a different direction.

Masons replacement, Alcock was complicit in the circumstances that led to the first goal, yes Wrights almighty bollock, but look at the positioning of the other players around them, the ball was won on the byline and went to a Walsall player in the corner of our 18 yard area in acres of space, Alcock saw that as he was having a gentle amble back, for some reason Alcock chose to run away from that player, meaning Butler had to come across to cover Alcocks man leaving the goal scorer in acres of space. Alcock has a lot to answer for on that first goal

Alcock has gone at the game. He offers absolutely nothing. Poor as Mason was, he's 10 years younger and five yards quicker. What was wrong with Garratt if Baudry needed replacing? Shocking substitutions yesterday from Fergie.

[the vicar]

U can't blame the players though

There is no one else to blame when they cross that line it is out of the managers hands, there is no one else to blame, school boy errors all 3 goals   

[dickos1]

It's sarcasm vicar

[Lesonthewest]

It's the performance, or lack of, before the mistakes that is more worrying.

[StocksArmy]

U can't blame the players though

????

That seems to be the concensous of people on here. The awful mistakes were fergusons fault

It all comes from the manager. That is his squad. It isn't just the mistakes costing us, it's our all round play. As basic as you can get passes misplaced, passing to a player with a man stood shoulder to shoulder, throwing the ball straight to the opposition, we can't turn a team around to make them run towards their goal, a striker who thinks he is far better than what he is (more bothered about sorting his fringe), zero creativity in midfield. The list goes on. Even things like Baudry playing to the left of the back 3 when Butler is naturally left footed. We are so disjointed and the players have no idea what they're doing, how to break a team down, how to defend or how to play as an organised team with an attacking threat. Not even a whole hearted challenge to show were bothered that were sh!te. The list is absolutely endless.

[Alan Southstand]

Agreed Les, I said as much at half time in that our play, or lack of it, deserved nothing. And I also agree with both the team and shape choice and then, just to compound an error-strewn afternoon, the substitutions made things even worse.

Something, or more accurately, several things, is/are badly wrong with the Club, management and/or players. I think there may be more of a problem that just sacking the manager will resolve.

Just my opinion of course and others will have theirs. All I know is it's getting to the pinch point now and it's back to the bad old days of total frustration and going home to kick the dog, or whatever. It's definately not pretty.