Paul Taylor

[Michael Shaw]

Clearly some people like SM are in the know regarding budgets and maybe also what individual players earn. These people in the know need to realise that the rest of us support the club and want to see it do well. I, for one, have no ball-park idea what budgets are like in any league or what players earn. We hear that Williams was a big earner compared to say Mandeville, but that means nothing to people like me with no idea of what sort of salaries we are talking about.  We are constantly told our opinions are wrong and expected to believe what others say on face value. We don't all have insider information, and so we have to speculate and read between the lines, and those in the know should be tolerant and more understanding to those who don't have their information and a different perspective. I fully understand budgets and salaries should be confidential.

[Michael Shaw]

When I was working I was on a salary above my pay grade. My manager probably thought I should be grateful, but when I didn’t know any of my other team member’s salaries I had no idea that I was anything above average. Having all the information changes perspectives immensely.

As a grunt supporter, possibly like raggytash, all I want is to see more quality players come in before the season starts for real. Without insider info how can we be expected to know what is still in the pot. It could all be spent already or the board are holding back on us. We keep being told not to bring up the budget so fine give us loads of new players then.. If we are to believe the budget is not an issue,  then can GM please get on with constructive recruitment?

[mpc123]

I don't know, don't need to know and shouldn't know.

[Michael Shaw]

Great words of wisdom as usual, mpc. Many thanks.

[mpc123]

I was just putting it plain and simple instead of going on and on.

I don't understand the real need to know the budget and what wages players are on.

You can't change it, you've been given info the same as what I have, I just don't understand the real neediness of it.

Maybe it comes from playing Fifa team and football manager games I'm not sure, or the media quoting all the big players wages, which to be fair they will only be guessing too.

I just want to support my team, know that they are OK and enjoy football.

SM brings us that, of which now you are aware of.

SM,
An afterthought, for those that don't know it may be worth having some kind of official signature on your posts SM or something like that, just an idea maybe you can look at the best way to show your position.

[Lifelong supporter]

Not sure why some are saying we have a top six budget when we don't.
In fairness nobody from the club has said that.
The ambition is to challenge for the top six - but we don't have a top six budget.
That's why Fergie left.
End of.
Let's move on.

That's right, but we did have a top 7 budget last season, and this years budget is bigger.

But that's not why he left, and in fairness to quote you, nobody from the club has said that nor has DF himself.

SM, you may be reasonably well respected and trusted to quote you, but surely you are stretching your credibility to the limit by implying the budget was nothing to do with Fergie's departure.
I thought everyone generally accepted that it was at least a contributory factor, if not the main reason.
Nobody knows, of course, except Fergie himself.
That is, unless you have even more privileged information along with that LG1 SCMP Benchmarking list in your possession. 

[DonnyBazR0ver]

Not sure why some are saying we have a top six budget when we don't.
In fairness nobody from the club has said that.
The ambition is to challenge for the top six - but we don't have a top six budget.
That's why Fergie left.
End of.
Let's move on.

That's right, but we did have a top 7 budget last season, and this years budget is bigger.

But that's not why he left, and in fairness to quote you, nobody from the club has said that nor has DF himself.

SM, you may be reasonably well respected and trusted to quote you, but surely you are stretching your credibility to the limit by implying the budget was nothing to do with Fergie's departure.
I thought everyone generally accepted that it was at least a contributory factor, if not the main reason.
Nobody knows, of course, except Fergie himself.
That is, unless you have even more privileged information along with that LG1 SCMP Benchmarking list in your possession. 

He didn't imply that. There may have been a number of reasons compounding his decision and to some point, may have backed himself into a corner. That's water under the bridge, he's gone and we have another manager to support.

Like many, I can't understand why folk keep regurgitating the same stuff about the budget when it means nothing, unless they are just looking for reasons to be able to say "I told you so" if things don't pan out. In addition, it seems some people can't get their head around having a smaller budget than some other teams but having more spending power! Some clubs will be stretching themselves because they've lost control of their wage structure. I suggest we are not in that category.

[Michael Shaw]

That's my point.  To many, SM, could be just some 18 year old lout waiting for the first match of the season just to throw a smoke bomb on the pitch. Rovers fans can be world-wide (ex-pats from Donny now in Oz) and can't attend every match, but that doesn't make them any less of a fan. Some comments on here about "were you at the match?" or "did you attend the AGM?" does not prove that fans are not as genuine as those that can attend and know each other personally.

[Michael Shaw]

Baz, it's human nature that if you say something and get shot down, like so often happens on this site, and then you find you are right why wouldn't you say "I told you so". I'm sure you would. And if we race into the top 6 and stay there, won't you say "I told you so" to all the doom mongers?

[silent majority]

I was just putting it plain and simple instead of going on and on.

I don't understand the real need to know the budget and what wages players are on.

You can't change it, you've been given info the same as what I have, I just don't understand the real neediness of it.

Maybe it comes from playing Fifa team and football manager games I'm not sure, or the media quoting all the big players wages, which to be fair they will only be guessing too.

I just want to support my team, know that they are OK and enjoy football.

SM brings us that, of which now you are aware of.

SM,
An afterthought, for those that don't know it may be worth having some kind of official signature on your posts SM or something like that, just an idea maybe you can look at the best way to show your position.

I get the point. However to listen to some people they criticise me by saying that I'm always banging on about being the Dep Chair of the FSF. Other people claim they don't know what I do. There is no happy medium. Those that want to criticise and pick holes will do, but they don't bother me in the slightest.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

Nope, not me. Because many folk are more open minded than that. Some seem to go to extremes to lay a foundation to prove a point. Personally, I don't get too carried away win or lose and I don't get stressed about things I can't control. I keep my passion for the matches. Quite happy to debate things afterwards without point scoring

[mpc123]

I can understand that SM

[silent majority]

Not sure why some are saying we have a top six budget when we don't.
In fairness nobody from the club has said that.
The ambition is to challenge for the top six - but we don't have a top six budget.
That's why Fergie left.
End of.
Let's move on.

That's right, but we did have a top 7 budget last season, and this years budget is bigger.

But that's not why he left, and in fairness to quote you, nobody from the club has said that nor has DF himself.

SM, you may be reasonably well respected and trusted to quote you, but surely you are stretching your credibility to the limit by implying the budget was nothing to do with Fergie's departure.
I thought everyone generally accepted that it was at least a contributory factor, if not the main reason.
Nobody knows, of course, except Fergie himself.
That is, unless you have even more privileged information along with that LG1 SCMP Benchmarking list in your possession. 

Misquoting me again Dave?

You can do better than that!

The contradiction in your posts is remarkable. You've gone from saying the budget was the reason he left, end of, lets move on, to now saying it was a contributory factor. All I did was point out that neither the club or DF himself has said anything of the sort.

Keep up!

[DonnyOsmond]

That's my point.  To many, SM, could be just some 18 year old lout waiting for the first match of the season just to throw a smoke bomb on the pitch. Rovers fans can be world-wide (ex-pats from Donny now in Oz) and can't attend every match, but that doesn't make them any less of a fan. Some comments on here about "were you at the match?" or "did you attend the AGM?" does not prove that fans are not as genuine as those that can attend and know each other personally.

No but it's hard slagging off a performance in a friendly you never even went to.

[Michael Shaw]

SM, can you possibly update your profile in Silent Majority to say "Dep Chair of the FSF" to give a clue? Anyone can come on here making outlandish claims but it's not clear that you have genuine authority and respect of the VSC. I could say David Blunt is my brother and he tells me everything and I know why Fergie resigned and I'm going to tell everyone. But it would all be a lie.

[Michael Shaw]

God, people are tetchy. What did I say "slagging off a performance in a friendly". Remind me..

[DearneValleyRover]

SM, can you possibly update your profile in Silent Majority to say "Dep Chair of the FSF" to give a clue? Anyone can come on here making outlandish claims but it's not clear that you have genuine authority and respect of the VSC. I could say David Blunt is my brother and he tells me everything and I know why Fergie resigned and I'm going to tell everyone. But it would all be a lie.

It’s very clear who sm is, he doesn’t hide it nor does he need to put his name in lights

[Bessie Red]

When I was working I was on a salary above my pay grade. My manager probably thought I should be grateful, but when I didn’t know any of my other team member’s salaries I had no idea that I was anything above average. Having all the information changes perspectives immensely.

As a grunt supporter, possibly like raggytash, all I want is to see more quality players come in before the season starts for real. Without insider info how can we be expected to know what is still in the pot. It could all be spent already or the board are holding back on us. We keep being told not to bring up the budget so fine give us loads of new players then.. If we are to believe the budget is not an issue,  then can GM please get on with constructive recruitment?

Have you not considered that our new Manager may be content with the players he already has & feels that he can get more out of them than DF could & therefore is saving the budget for loans, January transfers etc. If you think about it even a modest improvement on individual performances would see us in and around the Play Offs.

[Lifelong supporter]

Not sure why some are saying we have a top six budget when we don't.
In fairness nobody from the club has said that.
The ambition is to challenge for the top six - but we don't have a top six budget.
That's why Fergie left.
End of.
Let's move on.

That's right, but we did have a top 7 budget last season, and this years budget is bigger.

But that's not why he left, and in fairness to quote you, nobody from the club has said that nor has DF himself.

SM, you may be reasonably well respected and trusted to quote you, but surely you are stretching your credibility to the limit by implying the budget was nothing to do with Fergie's departure.
I thought everyone generally accepted that it was at least a contributory factor, if not the main reason.
Nobody knows, of course, except Fergie himself.
That is, unless you have even more privileged information along with that LG1 SCMP Benchmarking list in your possession. 

Misquoting me again Dave?

You can do better than that!

The contradiction in your posts is remarkable. You've gone from saying the budget was the reason he left, end of, lets move on, to now saying it was a contributory factor. All I did was point out that neither the club or DF himself has said anything of the sort.

Keep up!

Here we go with the old Dave jokes again.
Don't think it works as a smokescreen as much as it used to though.
It's laughable that you should claim a contradiction in my posts when it actually applies to yours.
I DID say Fergie left because the ambition was to challenge for top six - but we didn't have a top six budget.
You said, and I quote, 'that's not why he left'!
Obviously my understanding of English is not as good as yours but I would have thought that implied it was nothing to do with the budget. 
When I later mentioned 'contributory factor' I said I thought 'everyone' generally accepted it was at least a contributory factor.
Clearly you don't.

[redordead]

Not sure why some are saying we have a top six budget when we don't.
In fairness nobody from the club has said that.
The ambition is to challenge for the top six - but we don't have a top six budget.
That's why Fergie left.
End of.
Let's move on.

That's right, but we did have a top 7 budget last season, and this years budget is bigger.

But that's not why he left, and in fairness to quote you, nobody from the club has said that nor has DF himself.

SM, you may be reasonably well respected and trusted to quote you, but surely you are stretching your credibility to the limit by implying the budget was nothing to do with Fergie's departure.
I thought everyone generally accepted that it was at least a contributory factor, if not the main reason.
Nobody knows, of course, except Fergie himself.
That is, unless you have even more privileged information along with that LG1 SCMP Benchmarking list in your possession. 

Misquoting me again Dave?

You can do better than that!

The contradiction in your posts is remarkable. You've gone from saying the budget was the reason he left, end of, lets move on, to now saying it was a contributory factor. All I did was point out that neither the club or DF himself has said anything of the sort.

Keep up!

I find this whole DF,budget discussion rather bizarre, did occur to any of you that DF may wish to be in a position to support his mother and father due to Sir Alex tragic illness. The fact is DRFC is not a priority when you have those worries to deal with and maybe he felt that he was not able to commit to the job, therefore he resigned. Hence the reason no comments have been made on any side, and before you all start having played under Alex many moons ago at East Stiring I can assure you that they are a very close family and likes to keep their affairs private .

[drfchound]

When I was working I was on a salary above my pay grade. My manager probably thought I should be grateful, but when I didn’t know any of my other team member’s salaries I had no idea that I was anything above average. Having all the information changes perspectives immensely.

As a grunt supporter, possibly like raggytash, all I want is to see more quality players come in before the season starts for real. Without insider info how can we be expected to know what is still in the pot. It could all be spent already or the board are holding back on us. We keep being told not to bring up the budget so fine give us loads of new players then.. If we are to believe the budget is not an issue,  then can GM please get on with constructive recruitment?

Have you not considered that our new Manager may be content with the players he already has & feels that he can get more out of them than DF could & therefore is saving the budget for loans, January transfers etc. If you think about it even a modest improvement on individual performances would see us in and around the Play Offs.

BessieRed, I have already suggested that possibility to MS but I reckon it went unnoticed.

[roverstillidie91]

has maybe anyone thought that the reason DF left may be personal and he doesn't want anyone to know in the public domain about it?

in regards to the budget lets just get behind the team we have a good core of players plus some talented youngsters coming through as well and 3 additions to the squad I would say a defensive midfielder plus 2 strikers as well personally.

[Michael Shaw]

SM, can you possibly update your profile in Silent Majority to say "Dep Chair of the FSF" to give a clue? Anyone can come on here making outlandish claims but it's not clear that you have genuine authority and respect of the VSC. I could say David Blunt is my brother and he tells me everything and I know why Fergie resigned and I'm going to tell everyone. But it would all be a lie.

It’s very clear who sm is, he doesn’t hide it nor does he need to put his name in lights

Have you not been reading my posts? I said Rovers fans can be from anywhere globally and there is nothing clear about who SM is. I didn't know as I have not always bothered with this site nor attended any VSC meetings. I just see loads of posts with random aliases who like confrontation.  Doncaster people are supposed to be friendly northerners, but obviously all the stroppy ones enjoy coming on here all day.

[drfchound]

Michael, with respect, you have been posting on here for a year and a half so you should have seen enough posts from SM to have a decent understanding of his position with the VSC and the club.

[no eyed deer]

SM, can you possibly update your profile in Silent Majority to say "Dep Chair of the FSF" to give a clue? Anyone can come on here making outlandish claims but it's not clear that you have genuine authority and respect of the VSC. I could say David Blunt is my brother and he tells me everything and I know why Fergie resigned and I'm going to tell everyone. But it would all be a lie.

It’s very clear who sm is, he doesn’t hide it nor does he need to put his name in lights

When I was working I was on a salary above my pay grade. My manager probably thought I should be grateful, but when I didn’t know any of my other team member’s salaries I had no idea that I was anything above average. Having all the information changes perspectives immensely.

As a grunt supporter, possibly like raggytash, all I want is to see more quality players come in before the season starts for real. Without insider info how can we be expected to know what is still in the pot. It could all be spent already or the board are holding back on us. We keep being told not to bring up the budget so fine give us loads of new players then.. If we are to believe the budget is not an issue,  then can GM please get on with constructive recruitment?

Have you not considered that our new Manager may be content with the players he already has & feels that he can get more out of them than DF could & therefore is saving the budget for loans, January transfers etc. If you think about it even a modest improvement on individual performances would see us in and around the Play Offs.

When I was working I was on a salary above my pay grade. My manager probably thought I should be grateful, but when I didn’t know any of my other team member’s salaries I had no idea that I was anything above average. Having all the information changes perspectives immensely.

As a grunt supporter, possibly like raggytash, all I want is to see more quality players come in before the season starts for real. Without insider info how can we be expected to know what is still in the pot. It could all be spent already or the board are holding back on us. We keep being told not to bring up the budget so fine give us loads of new players then.. If we are to believe the budget is not an issue,  then can GM please get on with constructive recruitment?

Have you not considered that our new Manager may be content with the players he already has & feels that he can get more out of them than DF could & therefore is saving the budget for loans, January transfers etc. If you think about it even a modest improvement on individual performances would see us in and around the Play Offs.

Or he could have been an out of work manager looking for a team.

[goalkick]

 Is this a post about Paul Taylor or has everybody forgot.

[Glyn_Wigley]

has maybe anyone thought that the reason DF left may be personal and he doesn't want anyone to know in the public domain about it?

in regards to the budget lets just get behind the team we have a good core of players plus some talented youngsters coming through as well and 3 additions to the squad I would say a defensive midfielder plus 2 strikers as well personally.

I did wonder whether his Dad's illness was part (or even all) of the reason he wanted to leave. But I didn't know so kept it to myself.

[no eyed deer]

Michael, with respect, you have been posting on here for a year and a half so you should have seen enough posts from SM to have a decent understanding of his position with the VSC and the club.

It's just that he's never critical of the board and always seems to defend them.

[drfchound]

Michael, with respect, you have been posting on here for a year and a half so you should have seen enough posts from SM to have a decent understanding of his position with the VSC and the club.

It's just that he's never critical of the board and always seems to defend them.

Irrespective of that, it should have been clear after 18 months of reading what is written on here.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Michael, with respect, you have been posting on here for a year and a half so you should have seen enough posts from SM to have a decent understanding of his position with the VSC and the club.

It's just that he's never critical of the board and always seems to defend them.

If correcting other's ludicrous assumptions about what's going on is classed as defending them, then I for one am glad he's doing it.