Corbyn's Conference Speech

[BillyStubbsTears]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-45653499/page/2

Lords knows I've had my own criticisms of him but that speech sounds like a PM in waiting.

He hit the nail on the head on every topic. It is time for a change.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Actually, there IS one thing to take issue with him on.
https://mobile.twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1044930126948040710

[bpoolrover]

Certainly
Was a confident speech bst

[ravenrover]

https://youtu.be/M92QzPjgbag
As with all politicians

[RedJ]

Do you think he has done enough to change people's opinion of him bst, while he was very confident some of the things like 400k new skilled jobs are questionable and the nurseries now are complaining there is not enough money for the free child places, so to make more and up the wage by 2 pound a hour would need a massive load of cash?

They literally had a fully costed manifesto. This has been pointed out to you in the past.

[Filo]

Just watched if, bang on the money, bring it on!

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Nothing new really.  Like him you'll like it, if you don't you won't.  He spoke well though, much better than he was.

Didn't like the cheers at carillions liquidation though, little bit out of order that for the many workers who lost alot.

[drfchound]

Easy to make the promises.
More difficult to make them happen though.

[Draytonian III]

I for one hopes he never becomes Prime Minister,to much of a yes man

[wesisback]

I for one hopes he never becomes Prime Minister,to much of a yes man

Possibly the most ridiculous statement ever written on here. If anything I'd argue to the complete contrary and that if he wants to be Prime Minister then he needs to back down on a few of his principles including Brexit which is why Labour don't have my vote at present.

[Akinfenwa]

I for one hopes he never becomes Prime Minister,to much of a yes man

Possibly the most ridiculous statement ever written on here. If anything I'd argue to the complete contrary and that if he wants to be Prime Minister then he needs to back down on a few of his principles including Brexit which is why Labour don't have my vote at present.

Well in my view, Corbyn caving in to the anti-Brexit brigade (largely about telling half of the country to eff-off) would end any chance of him becoming Prime Minister.

Thankfully he's not that daft. There's a window of opportunity to change the country opening up here.

[Draytonian III]

I have my views,you have yours

[hoolahoop]

I for one hopes he never becomes Prime Minister,to much of a yes man

Possibly the most ridiculous statement ever written on here. If anything I'd argue to the complete contrary and that if he wants to be Prime Minister then he needs to back down on a few of his principles including Brexit which is why Labour don't have my vote at present.

Well in my view, Corbyn caving in to the anti-Brexit brigade (largely about telling half of the country to eff-off) would end any chance of him becoming Prime Minister.

Thankfully he's not that daft. There's a window of opportunity to change the country opening up here.

Strange I never got that impression from the speech . Fact is , it's not about ignoring half of the country's citizens whichever way he goes - it has to be what's best  for the best for the country. Let's face it 13,000,000 people didn't even vote at all - the majority of whom probably thought tjheir vote wasn't necessary to keep the status quo. I don't care who has to sacrifice their principles/ red lines as long as any deal reached or avoided is the best for our country.
Some would treat this like an fa cup final - it's far more important to us than that !

Anyway it was a good speech, I don't necessarily agree with all or most of the content however Socialists should be happy that their Party seems to be marching in tune again if only temporarily.

 Appears that we have an Opposition again but we still have Brexiters who think it's the ONLY thing that matters !

[wing commander]

   Apparently Labour has a brexit shadow minister...Who knew??,any chance of him giving us Labours full brexit plan anytime soon,one which is acceptable to both the EU and doesn't shaft the people they want to represent rather than just slamming the Tory's..Thats the Uk by the way and not Palestine,although you wouldn't know it judging by the hundreds of Palestinian flags the party members were waving in the conference hall....
   Always been in the minority of this issue as it's Donny but if Comrade Corbyn and Mcluskey get anywhere near power it will be a sad day...I'll pop my tin hat on now...lol

[BillyStubbsTears]

WC
Labour's shadow Brexit Secretary has been carefully and rationally making Labour's case for months. You might not have been looking but that doesn't mean it's not been happening. He's pulled Corbyn kicking and screaming to a more sensible position than it looked like being a year ago.

It's far more than bashing the Tories. There's a whole set of proposals and principles set out.

But can you blame them for making political capital? There was only ever one driver of the Referendum and the ridiculous interpretation that May put in the result. Sorting out who controls the Tory party. That has brought us to the edge of economic disaster. Labour would be folks not to remind everyone of that, every day.

[Akinfenwa]

I for one hopes he never becomes Prime Minister,to much of a yes man

Possibly the most ridiculous statement ever written on here. If anything I'd argue to the complete contrary and that if he wants to be Prime Minister then he needs to back down on a few of his principles including Brexit which is why Labour don't have my vote at present.

Well in my view, Corbyn caving in to the anti-Brexit brigade (largely about telling half of the country to eff-off) would end any chance of him becoming Prime Minister.

Thankfully he's not that daft. There's a window of opportunity to change the country opening up here.

Strange I never got that impression from the speech . Fact is , it's not about ignoring half of the country's citizens whichever way he goes - it has to be what's best  for the best for the country. Let's face it 13,000,000 people didn't even vote at all - the majority of whom probably thought tjheir vote wasn't necessary to keep the status quo. I don't care who has to sacrifice their principles/ red lines as long as any deal reached or avoided is the best for our country.
Some would treat this like an fa cup final - it's far more important to us than that !

Anyway it was a good speech, I don't necessarily agree with all or most of the content however Socialists should be happy that their Party seems to be marching in tune again if only temporarily.

 Appears that we have an Opposition again but we still have Brexiters who think it's the ONLY thing that matters !

There are a fair number of people in Labour who want Corbyn and the party to oppose Brexit. He hasn't, and has tried to steer the party away from doing so, including in his latest conference speech. Correctly in my view, if he wants to win an election.

Sorry if you got the wrong end of the stick.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Not "a fair number". 81% of members in a recent poll.

Strange. Corbynism is supposed to be about putting power in the hands of the members. Except when the members want something that Corbyn has spent his life opposing for ideological reasons.

[hoolahoop]

I for one hopes he never becomes Prime Minister,to much of a yes man

Possibly the most ridiculous statement ever written on here. If anything I'd argue to the complete contrary and that if he wants to be Prime Minister then he needs to back down on a few of his principles including Brexit which is why Labour don't have my vote at present.

Well in my view, Corbyn caving in to the anti-Brexit brigade (largely about telling half of the country to eff-off) would end any chance of him becoming Prime Minister.

Thankfully he's not that daft. There's a window of opportunity to change the country opening up here.

Strange I never got that impression from the speech . Fact is , it's not about ignoring half of the country's citizens whichever way he goes - it has to be what's best  for the best for the country. Let's face it 13,000,000 people didn't even vote at all - the majority of whom probably thought tjheir vote wasn't necessary to keep the status quo. I don't care who has to sacrifice their principles/ red lines as long as any deal reached or avoided is the best for our country.
Some would treat this like an fa cup final - it's far more important to us than that !

Anyway it was a good speech, I don't necessarily agree with all or most of the content however Socialists should be happy that their Party seems to be marching in tune again if only temporarily.

 Appears that we have an Opposition again but we still have Brexiters who think it's the ONLY thing that matters !

There are a fair number of people in Labour who want Corbyn and the party to oppose Brexit. He hasn't, and has tried to steer the party away from doing so, including in his latest conference speech. Correctly in my view, if he wants to win an election.

Sorry if you got the wrong end of the stick.

I'm not sure in what way I have got the wrong end of the stick . Basically I have said it was a good speech but I  don't care for all the content  - I merely said that we want the best for the country regardless of artificial red lines imposed by the PM or Brexiters/Remainers who have read certain things from a binary vote.
To summarise I want the best for the country and want pragmatism and good sense to win the day - which part of that was getting the " wrong end of the stick " - incidentally I did watch the whole speech as I have from all the leading front bench speakers ?

[Akinfenwa]

Not "a fair number". 81% of members in a recent poll.

Strange. Corbynism is supposed to be about putting power in the hands of the members. Except when the members want something that Corbyn has spent his life opposing for ideological reasons.

If it's the poll I think you're referring to then I'd say that there's a big difference between:
A) a party member personally 'supporting a vote on the outcome of Brexit negotiations'.
B) wanting the party and its leadership to oppose Brexit.

[Akinfenwa]

I for one hopes he never becomes Prime Minister,to much of a yes man

Possibly the most ridiculous statement ever written on here. If anything I'd argue to the complete contrary and that if he wants to be Prime Minister then he needs to back down on a few of his principles including Brexit which is why Labour don't have my vote at present.

Well in my view, Corbyn caving in to the anti-Brexit brigade (largely about telling half of the country to eff-off) would end any chance of him becoming Prime Minister.

Thankfully he's not that daft. There's a window of opportunity to change the country opening up here.

Strange I never got that impression from the speech . Fact is , it's not about ignoring half of the country's citizens whichever way he goes - it has to be what's best  for the best for the country. Let's face it 13,000,000 people didn't even vote at all - the majority of whom probably thought tjheir vote wasn't necessary to keep the status quo. I don't care who has to sacrifice their principles/ red lines as long as any deal reached or avoided is the best for our country.
Some would treat this like an fa cup final - it's far more important to us than that !

Anyway it was a good speech, I don't necessarily agree with all or most of the content however Socialists should be happy that their Party seems to be marching in tune again if only temporarily.

 Appears that we have an Opposition again but we still have Brexiters who think it's the ONLY thing that matters !

There are a fair number of people in Labour who want Corbyn and the party to oppose Brexit. He hasn't, and has tried to steer the party away from doing so, including in his latest conference speech. Correctly in my view, if he wants to win an election.

Sorry if you got the wrong end of the stick.

I'm not sure in what way I have got the wrong end of the stick . Basically I have said it was a good speech but I  don't care for all the content  - I merely said that we want the best for the country regardless of artificial red lines imposed by the PM or Brexiters/Remainers who have read certain things from a binary vote.
To summarise I want the best for the country and want pragmatism and good sense to win the day - which part of that was getting the " wrong end of the stick " - incidentally I did watch the whole speech as I have from all the leading front bench speakers ?

I thought your post was based on the impression of me seeing Corbyn as neglecting half of the electorate in his speech?

Am I being thick? Quite possibly.

[BillyStubbsTears]

But.

But.

But.

Corbynistas always tell us that we should put what the membership wants above grubby stuff like trying to be electable.

It's bizarre that this is the one policy on which the party membership is ignored. And on which, the leadership has manoeuvred for 2 years to prevent a substantive vote at Conference.

So. Is the membership really in charge of the party? Or is it Corbyn's version of The Will of the People? Trotted out when it is convenient.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I got the numbers wrong by the way.

86% of the members say they would back a second referendum.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/22/corbyn-under-pressure-from-labour-members-over-brexit

You can twist and turn all you want, trying to second guess what they mean by that. The fact is, the members want a second referendum. So why would they Corbyn give them one?

[hoolahoop]

I for one hopes he never becomes Prime Minister,to much of a yes man

Possibly the most ridiculous statement ever written on here. If anything I'd argue to the complete contrary and that if he wants to be Prime Minister then he needs to back down on a few of his principles including Brexit which is why Labour don't have my vote at present.

Well in my view, Corbyn caving in to the anti-Brexit brigade (largely about telling half of the country to eff-off) would end any chance of him becoming Prime Minister.

Thankfully he's not that daft. There's a window of opportunity to change the country opening up here.

Strange I never got that impression from the speech . Fact is , it's not about ignoring half of the country's citizens whichever way he goes - it has to be what's best  for the best for the country. Let's face it 13,000,000 people didn't even vote at all - the majority of whom probably thought tjheir vote wasn't necessary to keep the status quo. I don't care who has to sacrifice their principles/ red lines as long as any deal reached or avoided is the best for our country.
Some would treat this like an fa cup final - it's far more important to us than that !

Anyway it was a good speech, I don't necessarily agree with all or most of the content however Socialists should be happy that their Party seems to be marching in tune again if only temporarily.

 Appears that we have an Opposition again but we still have Brexiters who think it's the ONLY thing that matters !

There are a fair number of people in Labour who want Corbyn and the party to oppose Brexit. He hasn't, and has tried to steer the party away from doing so, including in his latest conference speech. Correctly in my view, if he wants to win an election.

Sorry if you got the wrong end of the stick.

I'm not sure in what way I have got the wrong end of the stick . Basically I have said it was a good speech but I  don't care for all the content  - I merely said that we want the best for the country regardless of artificial red lines imposed by the PM or Brexiters/Remainers who have read certain things from a binary vote.
To summarise I want the best for the country and want pragmatism and good sense to win the day - which part of that was getting the " wrong end of the stick " - incidentally I did watch the whole speech as I have from all the leading front bench speakers ?

I thought your post was based on the impression of me seeing Corbyn as neglecting half of the electorate in his speech?

Am I being thick? Quite possibly.

Hmm I'm not sure whether we are at cross- purposes here , perhaps I'm not quite sure from your post which half of the population you feel  has his support or up to now has felt neglected seems he's walking a tight- rope too . My point irrespective of all this is that Corbyn/ May and the HofC need to stop thinking of Brexit in a partisan manner - it should be about 100 % of the nation now and going forward NOT  the 35/ 37 / 25 % and myriad other calcuable %s of the population holding different viewpoints. This is now about all of us not just those that " think " they won.

It should no longer be about the ' will ' of the people for, as we know, that can mean countless things - time for real politicians to look at all of this in the round and take this forward without all the meaningless sound bites. Time for journalists to step up and call them out , the public must be tired of every answer prefaced with " when/as we leave..." , " Brexit means Brexit ", " it's the will of the people " , " 17.4 million " , " the biggest vote in our history " etc etc

Ffs stop them doing it , call them out when they constantly use the platitude of the day to fill the gaps in their knowledge, the fact they can't find positives/ negatives that the whole of the public can now see as all too obvious . Politicians are getting away with bluffing aided and abetted by the same level of ' piss poor ' journalism.

[Boomstick]

Not "a fair number". 81% of members in a recent poll.

Strange. Corbynism is supposed to be about putting power in the hands of the members. Except when the members want something that Corbyn has spent his life opposing for ideological reasons.

And that, thank god, is the reason why corbyns crypto communist new labour will never get into number 10.

The nu labour members are simply not representative of the electorate, even in the nu labour heartlands.

[Sprotyrover]

Not "a fair number". 81% of members in a recent poll.

Strange. Corbynism is supposed to be about putting power in the hands of the members. Except when the members want something that Corbyn has spent his life opposing for ideological reasons.

And that, thank god, is the reason why corbyns crypto communist new labour will never get into number 10.

The nu labour members are simply not representative of the electorate, even in the nu labour heartlands.

They are very much akin to Hitler's Brown shirts, anti Semitic and like to revert to abuse and violent behaviour when some one says something they don't like. And WTF are the Palestinian flags about.
We'll be seeing Irish flags and boys and girls in black berets and face covering balaclavas next!

[Boomstick]

 

It's stunts like that palastinian flag thing  that makes people's minds up whether to vote for them or not.
They are unelectable

[Sprotyrover]

It's stunts like that palastinian flag thing  that makes people's minds up whether to vote for them or not.
They are unelectable

As my dear old sainted Mum used to say "A Leopard cannot change its spots"

Corbyn has had 30/40 years to sort himself out and he still thinks he can spout his anti Semitic beliefs, and wholesale support for Proscribed organisations in his current role?

[MachoMadness]

Yeah, look at this racist shitbag!

Also you do know that Hitler's gang and the Communists didn't really get on, so you may want to make your mind up whether he's a Nazi or a Communist.

[Filo]

It's stunts like that palastinian flag thing  that makes people's minds up whether to vote for them or not.
They are unelectable

As my dear old sainted Mum used to say "A Leopard cannot change its spots"

Corbyn has had 30/40 years to sort himself out and he still thinks he can spout his anti Semitic beliefs, and wholesale support for Proscribed organisations in his current role?

What is wrong about calling out Isreal on their persecution of the Palestinian people and their illegal occupation of Palestinian lands?

[Sprotyrover]

It's stunts like that palastinian flag thing  that makes people's minds up whether to vote for them or not.
They are unelectable

As my dear old sainted Mum used to say "A Leopard cannot change its spots"

Corbyn has had 30/40 years to sort himself out and he still thinks he can spout his anti Semitic beliefs, and wholesale support for Proscribed organisations in his current role?

What is wrong about calling out Isreal on their persecution of the Palestinian people and their illegal occupation of Palestinian lands?

There is nothing wrong with it, I specifically refereed to his open support for proscribed organisations, The IRA , Hezbullah et al ,it's something I wouldn't want to see in a leader of out great country.