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Do you think he has done enough to change people's opinion of him bst, while he was very confident some of the things like 400k new skilled jobs are questionable and the nurseries now are complaining there is not enough money for the free child places, so to make more and up the wage by 2 pound a hour would need a massive load of cash?
I for one hopes he never becomes Prime Minister,to much of a yes man
Quote from: Draytonian III on September 26, 2018, 11:05:09 pmI for one hopes he never becomes Prime Minister,to much of a yes manPossibly the most ridiculous statement ever written on here. If anything I'd argue to the complete contrary and that if he wants to be Prime Minister then he needs to back down on a few of his principles including Brexit which is why Labour don't have my vote at present.
Quote from: wesisback on September 26, 2018, 11:13:50 pmQuote from: Draytonian III on September 26, 2018, 11:05:09 pmI for one hopes he never becomes Prime Minister,to much of a yes manPossibly the most ridiculous statement ever written on here. If anything I'd argue to the complete contrary and that if he wants to be Prime Minister then he needs to back down on a few of his principles including Brexit which is why Labour don't have my vote at present. Well in my view, Corbyn caving in to the anti-Brexit brigade (largely about telling half of the country to eff-off) would end any chance of him becoming Prime Minister.Thankfully he's not that daft. There's a window of opportunity to change the country opening up here.
Quote from: Akinfenwa on September 27, 2018, 12:18:15 amQuote from: wesisback on September 26, 2018, 11:13:50 pmQuote from: Draytonian III on September 26, 2018, 11:05:09 pmI for one hopes he never becomes Prime Minister,to much of a yes manPossibly the most ridiculous statement ever written on here. If anything I'd argue to the complete contrary and that if he wants to be Prime Minister then he needs to back down on a few of his principles including Brexit which is why Labour don't have my vote at present. Well in my view, Corbyn caving in to the anti-Brexit brigade (largely about telling half of the country to eff-off) would end any chance of him becoming Prime Minister.Thankfully he's not that daft. There's a window of opportunity to change the country opening up here.Strange I never got that impression from the speech . Fact is , it's not about ignoring half of the country's citizens whichever way he goes - it has to be what's best for the best for the country. Let's face it 13,000,000 people didn't even vote at all - the majority of whom probably thought tjheir vote wasn't necessary to keep the status quo. I don't care who has to sacrifice their principles/ red lines as long as any deal reached or avoided is the best for our country. Some would treat this like an fa cup final - it's far more important to us than that ! Anyway it was a good speech, I don't necessarily agree with all or most of the content however Socialists should be happy that their Party seems to be marching in tune again if only temporarily. Appears that we have an Opposition again but we still have Brexiters who think it's the ONLY thing that matters !
Quote from: hoolahoop on September 27, 2018, 10:33:27 amQuote from: Akinfenwa on September 27, 2018, 12:18:15 amQuote from: wesisback on September 26, 2018, 11:13:50 pmQuote from: Draytonian III on September 26, 2018, 11:05:09 pmI for one hopes he never becomes Prime Minister,to much of a yes manPossibly the most ridiculous statement ever written on here. If anything I'd argue to the complete contrary and that if he wants to be Prime Minister then he needs to back down on a few of his principles including Brexit which is why Labour don't have my vote at present. Well in my view, Corbyn caving in to the anti-Brexit brigade (largely about telling half of the country to eff-off) would end any chance of him becoming Prime Minister.Thankfully he's not that daft. There's a window of opportunity to change the country opening up here.Strange I never got that impression from the speech . Fact is , it's not about ignoring half of the country's citizens whichever way he goes - it has to be what's best for the best for the country. Let's face it 13,000,000 people didn't even vote at all - the majority of whom probably thought tjheir vote wasn't necessary to keep the status quo. I don't care who has to sacrifice their principles/ red lines as long as any deal reached or avoided is the best for our country. Some would treat this like an fa cup final - it's far more important to us than that ! Anyway it was a good speech, I don't necessarily agree with all or most of the content however Socialists should be happy that their Party seems to be marching in tune again if only temporarily. Appears that we have an Opposition again but we still have Brexiters who think it's the ONLY thing that matters !There are a fair number of people in Labour who want Corbyn and the party to oppose Brexit. He hasn't, and has tried to steer the party away from doing so, including in his latest conference speech. Correctly in my view, if he wants to win an election. Sorry if you got the wrong end of the stick.
Not "a fair number". 81% of members in a recent poll. Strange. Corbynism is supposed to be about putting power in the hands of the members. Except when the members want something that Corbyn has spent his life opposing for ideological reasons.
Quote from: Akinfenwa on September 27, 2018, 09:24:00 pmQuote from: hoolahoop on September 27, 2018, 10:33:27 amQuote from: Akinfenwa on September 27, 2018, 12:18:15 amQuote from: wesisback on September 26, 2018, 11:13:50 pmQuote from: Draytonian III on September 26, 2018, 11:05:09 pmI for one hopes he never becomes Prime Minister,to much of a yes manPossibly the most ridiculous statement ever written on here. If anything I'd argue to the complete contrary and that if he wants to be Prime Minister then he needs to back down on a few of his principles including Brexit which is why Labour don't have my vote at present. Well in my view, Corbyn caving in to the anti-Brexit brigade (largely about telling half of the country to eff-off) would end any chance of him becoming Prime Minister.Thankfully he's not that daft. There's a window of opportunity to change the country opening up here.Strange I never got that impression from the speech . Fact is , it's not about ignoring half of the country's citizens whichever way he goes - it has to be what's best for the best for the country. Let's face it 13,000,000 people didn't even vote at all - the majority of whom probably thought tjheir vote wasn't necessary to keep the status quo. I don't care who has to sacrifice their principles/ red lines as long as any deal reached or avoided is the best for our country. Some would treat this like an fa cup final - it's far more important to us than that ! Anyway it was a good speech, I don't necessarily agree with all or most of the content however Socialists should be happy that their Party seems to be marching in tune again if only temporarily. Appears that we have an Opposition again but we still have Brexiters who think it's the ONLY thing that matters !There are a fair number of people in Labour who want Corbyn and the party to oppose Brexit. He hasn't, and has tried to steer the party away from doing so, including in his latest conference speech. Correctly in my view, if he wants to win an election. Sorry if you got the wrong end of the stick.I'm not sure in what way I have got the wrong end of the stick . Basically I have said it was a good speech but I don't care for all the content - I merely said that we want the best for the country regardless of artificial red lines imposed by the PM or Brexiters/Remainers who have read certain things from a binary vote. To summarise I want the best for the country and want pragmatism and good sense to win the day - which part of that was getting the " wrong end of the stick " - incidentally I did watch the whole speech as I have from all the leading front bench speakers ?
Quote from: hoolahoop on September 28, 2018, 12:39:09 amQuote from: Akinfenwa on September 27, 2018, 09:24:00 pmQuote from: hoolahoop on September 27, 2018, 10:33:27 amQuote from: Akinfenwa on September 27, 2018, 12:18:15 amQuote from: wesisback on September 26, 2018, 11:13:50 pmQuote from: Draytonian III on September 26, 2018, 11:05:09 pmI for one hopes he never becomes Prime Minister,to much of a yes manPossibly the most ridiculous statement ever written on here. If anything I'd argue to the complete contrary and that if he wants to be Prime Minister then he needs to back down on a few of his principles including Brexit which is why Labour don't have my vote at present. Well in my view, Corbyn caving in to the anti-Brexit brigade (largely about telling half of the country to eff-off) would end any chance of him becoming Prime Minister.Thankfully he's not that daft. There's a window of opportunity to change the country opening up here.Strange I never got that impression from the speech . Fact is , it's not about ignoring half of the country's citizens whichever way he goes - it has to be what's best for the best for the country. Let's face it 13,000,000 people didn't even vote at all - the majority of whom probably thought tjheir vote wasn't necessary to keep the status quo. I don't care who has to sacrifice their principles/ red lines as long as any deal reached or avoided is the best for our country. Some would treat this like an fa cup final - it's far more important to us than that ! Anyway it was a good speech, I don't necessarily agree with all or most of the content however Socialists should be happy that their Party seems to be marching in tune again if only temporarily. Appears that we have an Opposition again but we still have Brexiters who think it's the ONLY thing that matters !There are a fair number of people in Labour who want Corbyn and the party to oppose Brexit. He hasn't, and has tried to steer the party away from doing so, including in his latest conference speech. Correctly in my view, if he wants to win an election. Sorry if you got the wrong end of the stick.I'm not sure in what way I have got the wrong end of the stick . Basically I have said it was a good speech but I don't care for all the content - I merely said that we want the best for the country regardless of artificial red lines imposed by the PM or Brexiters/Remainers who have read certain things from a binary vote. To summarise I want the best for the country and want pragmatism and good sense to win the day - which part of that was getting the " wrong end of the stick " - incidentally I did watch the whole speech as I have from all the leading front bench speakers ?I thought your post was based on the impression of me seeing Corbyn as neglecting half of the electorate in his speech?Am I being thick? Quite possibly.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on September 28, 2018, 12:01:22 amNot "a fair number". 81% of members in a recent poll. Strange. Corbynism is supposed to be about putting power in the hands of the members. Except when the members want something that Corbyn has spent his life opposing for ideological reasons. And that, thank god, is the reason why corbyns crypto communist new labour will never get into number 10. The nu labour members are simply not representative of the electorate, even in the nu labour heartlands.
It's stunts like that palastinian flag thing that makes people's minds up whether to vote for them or not. They are unelectable
Quote from: Boomstick on September 28, 2018, 05:29:40 pm It's stunts like that palastinian flag thing that makes people's minds up whether to vote for them or not. They are unelectable As my dear old sainted Mum used to say "A Leopard cannot change its spots"Corbyn has had 30/40 years to sort himself out and he still thinks he can spout his anti Semitic beliefs, and wholesale support for Proscribed organisations in his current role?
Quote from: Sprotyrover on September 28, 2018, 07:04:24 pmQuote from: Boomstick on September 28, 2018, 05:29:40 pm It's stunts like that palastinian flag thing that makes people's minds up whether to vote for them or not. They are unelectable As my dear old sainted Mum used to say "A Leopard cannot change its spots"Corbyn has had 30/40 years to sort himself out and he still thinks he can spout his anti Semitic beliefs, and wholesale support for Proscribed organisations in his current role?What is wrong about calling out Isreal on their persecution of the Palestinian people and their illegal occupation of Palestinian lands?