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Let’s be realistic, neither main party is fit to govern
On economic matters, Labour's policies are bang in the mainstream of established economic theory. They are sensible and well supported by evidence. The Tories' economic policies have been a f**king car crash for a decade. The Right used to have a strong body of economic theory to support its policies. Now it's all Voodoo and smoke & mirrors. They don't even understand how capitalism is supposed to work. There really is no competition between the parties on the economics. Labour wins hands down. Some of the smarter Tories know that and they are shitting it. Whether Labour's approach to foreign policy stops them ever getting into power is a different issue.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on October 05, 2018, 11:13:15 pmOn economic matters, Labour's policies are bang in the mainstream of established economic theory. They are sensible and well supported by evidence. The Tories' economic policies have been a f**king car crash for a decade. The Right used to have a strong body of economic theory to support its policies. Now it's all Voodoo and smoke & mirrors. They don't even understand how capitalism is supposed to work. There really is no competition between the parties on the economics. Labour wins hands down. Some of the smarter Tories know that and they are shitting it. Whether Labour's approach to foreign policy stops them ever getting into power is a different issue. Ok, I'll bite. Which of the smarter Tories know it and are shitting it ? Do you have any evidence to back up your statement ?
Quote from: Boomstick on October 06, 2018, 09:19:46 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on October 05, 2018, 11:13:15 pmOn economic matters, Labour's policies are bang in the mainstream of established economic theory. They are sensible and well supported by evidence. The Tories' economic policies have been a f**king car crash for a decade. The Right used to have a strong body of economic theory to support its policies. Now it's all Voodoo and smoke & mirrors. They don't even understand how capitalism is supposed to work. There really is no competition between the parties on the economics. Labour wins hands down. Some of the smarter Tories know that and they are shitting it. Whether Labour's approach to foreign policy stops them ever getting into power is a different issue. Ok, I'll bite. Which of the smarter Tories know it and are shitting it ? Do you have any evidence to back up your statement ? Use your brain. Why do you think, with no hint of this over the past 8 years, May suddenly announces last week that Austerity is over?Back at the start of the 2017 Election campaign, she was still falling back on that stupid but powerful line that if we don't stick with Austerity...Greece. They'd peddled that one since 2010. It was always b*llocks, but it worked politically. Now the tide is turning. Labour's economic policies have got a broadly supportive hearing from business. And they are addressing the core problems of our chronic underperformance.And...whaddya know? Suddenly May totters onto the stage and says it's the end of Austerity. You need to be lobotomised not to see the link.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on October 06, 2018, 10:34:52 amQuote from: Boomstick on October 06, 2018, 09:19:46 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on October 05, 2018, 11:13:15 pmOn economic matters, Labour's policies are bang in the mainstream of established economic theory. They are sensible and well supported by evidence. The Tories' economic policies have been a f**king car crash for a decade. The Right used to have a strong body of economic theory to support its policies. Now it's all Voodoo and smoke & mirrors. They don't even understand how capitalism is supposed to work. There really is no competition between the parties on the economics. Labour wins hands down. Some of the smarter Tories know that and they are shitting it. Whether Labour's approach to foreign policy stops them ever getting into power is a different issue. Ok, I'll bite. Which of the smarter Tories know it and are shitting it ? Do you have any evidence to back up your statement ? Use your brain. Why do you think, with no hint of this over the past 8 years, May suddenly announces last week that Austerity is over?Back at the start of the 2017 Election campaign, she was still falling back on that stupid but powerful line that if we don't stick with Austerity...Greece. They'd peddled that one since 2010. It was always b*llocks, but it worked politically. Now the tide is turning. Labour's economic policies have got a broadly supportive hearing from business. And they are addressing the core problems of our chronic underperformance.And...whaddya know? Suddenly May totters onto the stage and says it's the end of Austerity. You need to be lobotomised not to see the link. So, again. Which Tories think labours economic policy is better?
The ones who are saying that they are going to ditch their policies of the past decade and ape Labour. It's not hard. If you engage your brain. It's how politics always works. When you are scared that your opponent is controlling the agenda,you copy them. What are you asking for? A senior Tory to go on the record saying "We've been wrong for 10 years and Corbyn is right"? You reckon politics works like that?
While I found his speech very good the latest you gov poll has the tories 6 points ahead, which at this stage is Very surprising, is it simply people just don't like him and McDonnell and will vote anyone but them or something else?
Quote from: bpoolrover on October 06, 2018, 01:49:49 pmWhile I found his speech very good the latest you gov poll has the tories 6 points ahead, which at this stage is Very surprising, is it simply people just don't like him and McDonnell and will vote anyone but them or something else?I posted about this earlier up the page blackpool. It's still Brexit. The polling company found that more Leavers would vote Tory than Remainers would vote Labour.
rgearding brexit, I don't see why Labour don't use Corbyn's anti-europe stance to their favour in pulling (moderate) brexit voters over? He can be honest and say he would have voted the same as them, he sees the failings of the EU, like them, and believes Britain can thrive outside of the EU, like them. HOWEVER he can also see, like them, that the Tories have completed messed up Brexit and to leave at his point would be a bad decision for the UK.
He spent ages getting a massive youth movement in the last election who for the majority are against Brexit, it'd be daft to alienate them.