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It’s been talked about for a long time . It makes no sense as domestic leagues will always take president and there is already the two European cups which generate £millions . Money could only be generated from online subscriptions and betting . The top teams in Europe aren’t rich enough to abandon their own domestic leagues and the fans couldn’t afford the fixtures home and away. Add together the need for cup competitions it will die a death if the supporters get bored with the same teams winning everything or your team not winning nothing , as this would probably happen .
Too many teams who win something in their home leagues would never win anything in a European Super League.That alone would put many of them off the idea.
It is a bit like trying to prevent a planning application for four hundred houses in your town going through.The developers keep coming back with variations based on what the objections were last time until eventually the planning office agrees with the application.In time people forget that there ever was a nice green space where the houses stand and everyone gets used to what they have to live with.In the case of this football idea, given that all of the invited clubs appear to be in and want to go with it, I reckon it is reasonable to say that it will eventually happen.
Quote from: drfchound on June 04, 2019, 08:45:11 pmIt is a bit like trying to prevent a planning application for four hundred houses in your town going through.The developers keep coming back with variations based on what the objections were last time until eventually the planning office agrees with the application.In time people forget that there ever was a nice green space where the houses stand and everyone gets used to what they have to live with.In the case of this football idea, given that all of the invited clubs appear to be in and want to go with it, I reckon it is reasonable to say that it will eventually happen.So, we don't do anything then? And allow smaller clubs further down the pyramid to go out of business?
Quote from: silent majority on June 04, 2019, 08:49:17 pmQuote from: drfchound on June 04, 2019, 08:45:11 pmIt is a bit like trying to prevent a planning application for four hundred houses in your town going through.The developers keep coming back with variations based on what the objections were last time until eventually the planning office agrees with the application.In time people forget that there ever was a nice green space where the houses stand and everyone gets used to what they have to live with.In the case of this football idea, given that all of the invited clubs appear to be in and want to go with it, I reckon it is reasonable to say that it will eventually happen.So, we don't do anything then? And allow smaller clubs further down the pyramid to go out of business?Where did I say that?All I am saying is that it will probably happen.A bit like the housing development, the governing body listens to all the objections but eventually the application gets passed.
If football clubs lower down the pyramid are only surviving due to the dribs and drabs sent down by the megarich it shows the system is corrupt. What we're being asked he is to support a corrupt system.The megarich have essentially created a European super league already in everything but name. You literally have to be a small, middle eastern nation-state to even compete these days (or once in a generation luck).If they want to piss off and create their own league its absolutely fine for me. But they would have to do it completely, they can't have one foot in and one foot out. The article presents some very unconvincing arguments and an idealistic view of football. Promotion and relegation based on sporting performance? Give me a break, they're already close to spending billions on their squads.
Quote from: drfchound on June 04, 2019, 08:53:10 pmQuote from: silent majority on June 04, 2019, 08:49:17 pmQuote from: drfchound on June 04, 2019, 08:45:11 pmIt is a bit like trying to prevent a planning application for four hundred houses in your town going through.The developers keep coming back with variations based on what the objections were last time until eventually the planning office agrees with the application.In time people forget that there ever was a nice green space where the houses stand and everyone gets used to what they have to live with.In the case of this football idea, given that all of the invited clubs appear to be in and want to go with it, I reckon it is reasonable to say that it will eventually happen.So, we don't do anything then? And allow smaller clubs further down the pyramid to go out of business?Where did I say that?All I am saying is that it will probably happen.A bit like the housing development, the governing body listens to all the objections but eventually the application gets passed.Game 39 didn't happen. Despite the support of the EPL they didn't get their way.You might not have said it but inferred that everybody would be wasting their time, pretty much the same thing.
People can’t afford to travel abroad every other week so would EFL clubs not benefit from increased attendances? Good riddance to the greedy lot of them imo. Let them go and play in a European league if they want.It will all end in tears when attendances fall due to travel costs and the public will get board of the monotony.The champions league is a break from the weekly league games.When Europe become the league games it will all go flat after 3/4 seasons.It’s doomed I say doomed.
Why does the FA as the guardian of the game persistently allow the Premier League (and by that I mean the interests of a diminishing number of very big clubs) prevail over the other 92 clubs and indeed the game more broadly? Surely they can pull rank over the Premier League to stop shit like this happening.
Quote from: Campsall rover on June 04, 2019, 09:39:24 pmPeople can’t afford to travel abroad every other week so would EFL clubs not benefit from increased attendances? Good riddance to the greedy lot of them imo. Let them go and play in a European league if they want.It will all end in tears when attendances fall due to travel costs and the public will get board of the monotony.The champions league is a break from the weekly league games.When Europe become the league games it will all go flat after 3/4 seasons.It’s doomed I say doomed. Campsall,You need to see the ramifications of this. Supporters saying 'let them go' will be the hit the hardest. It's a known fact that when Champions League games are on TV attendances fall at live football. Pitch that against games kicking off at 3pm on a Saturday afternoon and you will see some severe reductions in attendees. Follow that up with a reduction in monies coming from the EPL and all of a sudden you have a crisis in the lower leagues.This isn't a hypothesis as such, discussions with both leagues have already highlighted the difficulties we'll face. Up until now Uefa have opposed the setting up of the Super League, now, along with the ECA, they have joined forces to promote this. It's a difficult time.
That was kinda my point. These folks are meant to be the guardian of the entire game, not just a small handful of large clubs. The Premier League is manifestly bad for the wider English game yet they have been behind this. The FA opposition to this latest plan is surely because they want to protect the value of the Premier League ‘product’ they have ‘curated’ and don’t want any of the cash to flow elsewhere - rather than any altruistic attempt to stop the game being ruined for the benefit of the very few?
Quote from: silent majority on June 04, 2019, 10:16:41 pmQuote from: Campsall rover on June 04, 2019, 09:39:24 pmPeople can’t afford to travel abroad every other week so would EFL clubs not benefit from increased attendances? Good riddance to the greedy lot of them imo. Let them go and play in a European league if they want.It will all end in tears when attendances fall due to travel costs and the public will get board of the monotony.The champions league is a break from the weekly league games.When Europe become the league games it will all go flat after 3/4 seasons.It’s doomed I say doomed. Campsall,You need to see the ramifications of this. Supporters saying 'let them go' will be the hit the hardest. It's a known fact that when Champions League games are on TV attendances fall at live football. Pitch that against games kicking off at 3pm on a Saturday afternoon and you will see some severe reductions in attendees. Follow that up with a reduction in monies coming from the EPL and all of a sudden you have a crisis in the lower leagues.This isn't a hypothesis as such, discussions with both leagues have already highlighted the difficulties we'll face. Up until now Uefa have opposed the setting up of the Super League, now, along with the ECA, they have joined forces to promote this. It's a difficult time.So what do we do to stop it? We are powerless aren’t we. Or am i missing something.
Wouldn’t bother me if they did all form a European Super League or however they’d want to brand it.We’ve already reached a stage where Southampton, West Ham, Wolves, etc, have more money than properly huge clubs in Europe like AC Milan and Inter Milan and Valencia. That in itself is ridiculous.New ‘giants’ will become established in every European country and it’ll initially make a refreshing change from Man City, PSG, Bayern and Juventus and Barcelona winning their respective leagues every year.When they get bored in their ‘elite’ league they’ll be begging the dominant forces previously forgotten to join their supreme competition.
Quote from: since-1969 on June 04, 2019, 07:34:28 pmIt’s been talked about for a long time . It makes no sense as domestic leagues will always take president and there is already the two European cups which generate £millions . Money could only be generated from online subscriptions and betting . The top teams in Europe aren’t rich enough to abandon their own domestic leagues and the fans couldn’t afford the fixtures home and away. Add together the need for cup competitions it will die a death if the supporters get bored with the same teams winning everything or your team not winning nothing , as this would probably happen . You've obviously not read this in any detail.This is a reality as UEFA have now given this their support (as being opposed to it in previous years)This is the top clubs in Europe now doing to the Premier league what the Premier League did to the EFL all those years ago.
No more Money IF NO MORE PREMIER LEAGUE!!!!
There will be a Premier League but how much will Sky etc pay for TV rights?The best players will move to a new European League which will be the new must watch football.The greedy bigger English clubs will keep as much revenue as they can to fritter away and go all out to poach fans from the smaller EFL clubs.Troubled times ahead?