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Maybe this is the one fact over hundreds as to why it should not be boris everbecause in a crisis this is his response.https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1138754388368007168
It's like voting for which disease you'd prefer or if selecting Boris more like having to explain to your partner how you gave them the clap.
Quote from: SydneyRover on June 12, 2019, 09:42:41 pmIt's like voting for which disease you'd prefer or if selecting Boris more like having to explain to your partner how you gave them the clap.Genuine question here, if the same thing happens if ever Labour get back into power, would their election of a leader method be any different?
This though with all the usual flaws of polling is why he will win it. MP's and Tory party members will see this and be encouraged by it. We can of course question the numbers and the reason the poll was published.https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/06/11/boris-johnson-course-140-seat-majority-general-election-becomes/Personally, it's wait and see what policies etc he enacts before a general election before we vote. I cannot see anyone beating him.
It says 2000, which usually is a large enough sample to be representative.[/quoteNot sure that's enough to convince the Europeans though. ''European newspapers have expressed horror at the prospect of Boris Johnson becoming the UK’s next prime minister, describing him as a scandal-proof, serial promise-breaker whose arrival at No 10 would be “a calamity for his country and for Europe”.Le Monde, in a coruscating editorial, said Johnson had shown himself to be “a stranger to logic and convictions” in a career rich in “deceits, blunders and failures”. In the run-up to the 2016 referendum, he “told lies on the side of a bus, promised the UK could have its cake and eat it, and compared the EU to the Third Reich”.As foreign secretary, he had “made his country an object of ridicule around the world with his amateurism, flippancy and ignorance”. Rivalling Nigel Farage for populism, France’s newspaper of record continued, Johnson’s “jingoistic rhetoric” promised Britons an unrealistic “glorious global future”.Guardian Today: the headlines, the analysis, the debate - sent direct to youRead moreHis threat to withhold the €39bn Brexit divorce settlement would have “incalculable consequences”, damaging the international credibility of a country priding itself on being a champion of the rule of law. And, for the EU, a Johnson premiership would mean “a mini-Trump across the Channel, dedicated to its sabotage”.https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/13/mini-trump-across-the-channel-european-media-on-boris-johnson-as-british-pm
Quote from: drfchound on June 13, 2019, 07:42:23 amQuote from: SydneyRover on June 12, 2019, 09:42:41 pmIt's like voting for which disease you'd prefer or if selecting Boris more like having to explain to your partner how you gave them the clap.Genuine question here, if the same thing happens if ever Labour get back into power, would their election of a leader method be any different?I hope not DH as i would not want to see a repeat of this mess where two leaders have resigned where one fell on his plastic sword and the other driven to it by a bunch of self serving ego maniacs that don't give a shit about anything but themselves. There has been no effective government since the referendum and we are unlikely to see any change for a goodly while. If labor had created this amount of chaos and wasted a similar amount of money most of the media, industry and commerce would have been on their case 24/7. So in answer to your question no, I don't think it could possibly ever be anywhere near as disastrous and stupid as this is.
Quote from: SydneyRover on June 13, 2019, 08:16:48 amQuote from: drfchound on June 13, 2019, 07:42:23 amQuote from: SydneyRover on June 12, 2019, 09:42:41 pmIt's like voting for which disease you'd prefer or if selecting Boris more like having to explain to your partner how you gave them the clap.Genuine question here, if the same thing happens if ever Labour get back into power, would their election of a leader method be any different?I hope not DH as i would not want to see a repeat of this mess where two leaders have resigned where one fell on his plastic sword and the other driven to it by a bunch of self serving ego maniacs that don't give a shit about anything but themselves. There has been no effective government since the referendum and we are unlikely to see any change for a goodly while. If labor had created this amount of chaos and wasted a similar amount of money most of the media, industry and commerce would have been on their case 24/7. So in answer to your question no, I don't think it could possibly ever be anywhere near as disastrous and stupid as this is.So you don’t really know then.Maybe one of our political experts could shed some light on it.As for the media, they have been on the case of the government 24/7.
Hound. Yeah. But it has to be really.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on June 13, 2019, 01:01:06 pmHound. Yeah. But it has to be really.Agreed, which I why I thought it was unfair of Sydney to have a go at the Tory method of voting for a new leader when all parties (I would imagine) have a long drawn out system.I have no political allegiance by the way before anyone has a go at me.
Yeah but Johnson already has enough votes to make the final 2. Assuming they stick with him in later rounds. And we know the Tory membership will vote for him. So welcome to your new PM.
Quote from: drfchound on June 13, 2019, 03:05:44 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on June 13, 2019, 01:01:06 pmHound. Yeah. But it has to be really.The problem has been too many candidates making it drawn out. They could easily have made it that someone wanting to stand has to have a certain number of sponsors to make it on to the ballot paper in the first place. Only needing two names has led to the bloated field and extended whittling down that has to be done.Agreed, which I why I thought it was unfair of Sydney to have a go at the Tory method of voting for a new leader when all parties (I would imagine) have a long drawn out system.I have no political allegiance by the way before anyone has a go at me.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on June 13, 2019, 01:01:06 pmHound. Yeah. But it has to be really.The problem has been too many candidates making it drawn out. They could easily have made it that someone wanting to stand has to have a certain number of sponsors to make it on to the ballot paper in the first place. Only needing two names has led to the bloated field and extended whittling down that has to be done.Agreed, which I why I thought it was unfair of Sydney to have a go at the Tory method of voting for a new leader when all parties (I would imagine) have a long drawn out system.I have no political allegiance by the way before anyone has a go at me.
Always the possibility of surprises I guess but it looks to me like Johnson and Hunt as the final 2. What a choice. Two privileged men who haven't an ounce of political philosophy between them, but are both driven by out and out ambition.
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on June 13, 2019, 03:20:01 pmQuote from: drfchound on June 13, 2019, 03:05:44 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on June 13, 2019, 01:01:06 pmHound. Yeah. But it has to be really.The problem has been too many candidates making it drawn out. They could easily have made it that someone wanting to stand has to have a certain number of sponsors to make it on to the ballot paper in the first place. Only needing two names has led to the bloated field and extended whittling down that has to be done.Agreed, which I why I thought it was unfair of Sydney to have a go at the Tory method of voting for a new leader when all parties (I would imagine) have a long drawn out system.I have no political allegiance by the way before anyone has a go at me.But wouldn’t that mean that they had to change their rules before they could commence their voting.Even more delays?
Quote from: drfchound on June 13, 2019, 05:58:23 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on June 13, 2019, 03:20:01 pmQuote from: drfchound on June 13, 2019, 03:05:44 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on June 13, 2019, 01:01:06 pmHound. Yeah. But it has to be really.The problem has been too many candidates making it drawn out. They could easily have made it that someone wanting to stand has to have a certain number of sponsors to make it on to the ballot paper in the first place. Only needing two names has led to the bloated field and extended whittling down that has to be done.Agreed, which I why I thought it was unfair of Sydney to have a go at the Tory method of voting for a new leader when all parties (I would imagine) have a long drawn out system.I have no political allegiance by the way before anyone has a go at me.But wouldn’t that mean that they had to change their rules before they could commence their voting.Even more delays?They can do that any time, they don't have to do it just when there's a leadership election. The real point is, of course, that they should never have changed the rules to what they are now in the first place.
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on June 13, 2019, 06:46:10 pmQuote from: drfchound on June 13, 2019, 05:58:23 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on June 13, 2019, 03:20:01 pmQuote from: drfchound on June 13, 2019, 03:05:44 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on June 13, 2019, 01:01:06 pmHound. Yeah. But it has to be really.The problem has been too many candidates making it drawn out. They could easily have made it that someone wanting to stand has to have a certain number of sponsors to make it on to the ballot paper in the first place. Only needing two names has led to the bloated field and extended whittling down that has to be done.Agreed, which I why I thought it was unfair of Sydney to have a go at the Tory method of voting for a new leader when all parties (I would imagine) have a long drawn out system.I have no political allegiance by the way before anyone has a go at me.But wouldn’t that mean that they had to change their rules before they could commence their voting.Even more delays?They can do that any time, they don't have to do it just when there's a leadership election. The real point is, of course, that they should never have changed the rules to what they are now in the first place.Maybe, but hindsight is a wonderful thing.