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Quote from: wing commander on June 25, 2019, 09:39:25 amIt wasn't long ago that the mail did a piece on Corbyn,he was trashed by people who used to work with him with various quotes on his behaviour towards others but that was just right wing scaremongering... At the end of the day once again people will base their arguments and opinions on which way their political leanings lie..I believe the piece WC is referring to is the book about Corbyn that the DM serialised earlier this year.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/books/article-6758101/Corbyn-manage-finances-let-Britains.htmlWe had a thread on ithttps://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=269013.0I don't believe there was anything at all about his behaviour towards others, unless you call eating cold baked beans and loosing his house because he supported a community centre that, but WC can direct us to something as he made the allegation?Be careful however because it has been called 'not just intellectually dishonest, it is a farrago of falsehood and insinuation' by that noted leftie Peter Oborne in his review of it.https://twitter.com/OborneTweets/status/1104370890203164673https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/tom-bower-book-dangerous-hero-jeremy-corbyn-labour-leader-truthSo yes I think you have proved your final point there. An actual tape of an actual incident is the same as a badly written book that doesn't even have the type of information in it that you claim it has if that is the way your political leanings lie.As that other noted leftie Max Hastings said in his piece this week talking about Johnson being unfit to be Prime Minister'There is, of course, a symmetry between himself (Johnson) and Jeremy Corbyn. Corbyn is far more honest'https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/24/boris-johnson-prime-minister-tory-party-britainThats not me saying that. Thats the former editor of the Daily Telegraph.
It wasn't long ago that the mail did a piece on Corbyn,he was trashed by people who used to work with him with various quotes on his behaviour towards others but that was just right wing scaremongering... At the end of the day once again people will base their arguments and opinions on which way their political leanings lie..
Quote from: wilts rover on June 25, 2019, 05:07:54 pmQuote from: wing commander on June 25, 2019, 09:39:25 amIt wasn't long ago that the mail did a piece on Corbyn,he was trashed by people who used to work with him with various quotes on his behaviour towards others but that was just right wing scaremongering... At the end of the day once again people will base their arguments and opinions on which way their political leanings lie..I believe the piece WC is referring to is the book about Corbyn that the DM serialised earlier this year.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/books/article-6758101/Corbyn-manage-finances-let-Britains.htmlWe had a thread on ithttps://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=269013.0I don't believe there was anything at all about his behaviour towards others, unless you call eating cold baked beans and loosing his house because he supported a community centre that, but WC can direct us to something as he made the allegation?Be careful however because it has been called 'not just intellectually dishonest, it is a farrago of falsehood and insinuation' by that noted leftie Peter Oborne in his review of it.https://twitter.com/OborneTweets/status/1104370890203164673https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/tom-bower-book-dangerous-hero-jeremy-corbyn-labour-leader-truthSo yes I think you have proved your final point there. An actual tape of an actual incident is the same as a badly written book that doesn't even have the type of information in it that you claim it has if that is the way your political leanings lie.As that other noted leftie Max Hastings said in his piece this week talking about Johnson being unfit to be Prime Minister'There is, of course, a symmetry between himself (Johnson) and Jeremy Corbyn. Corbyn is far more honest'https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/24/boris-johnson-prime-minister-tory-party-britainThats not me saying that. Thats the former editor of the Daily Telegraph.Eating cold beans? He probably ignored the vegetarian Lasagne in the fridge in the same way he was oblivious to the empty seats when he sat on the floor in that train carriage.
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on June 25, 2019, 05:24:18 pmQuote from: wilts rover on June 25, 2019, 05:07:54 pmQuote from: wing commander on June 25, 2019, 09:39:25 amIt wasn't long ago that the mail did a piece on Corbyn,he was trashed by people who used to work with him with various quotes on his behaviour towards others but that was just right wing scaremongering... At the end of the day once again people will base their arguments and opinions on which way their political leanings lie..I believe the piece WC is referring to is the book about Corbyn that the DM serialised earlier this year.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/books/article-6758101/Corbyn-manage-finances-let-Britains.htmlWe had a thread on ithttps://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=269013.0I don't believe there was anything at all about his behaviour towards others, unless you call eating cold baked beans and loosing his house because he supported a community centre that, but WC can direct us to something as he made the allegation?Be careful however because it has been called 'not just intellectually dishonest, it is a farrago of falsehood and insinuation' by that noted leftie Peter Oborne in his review of it.https://twitter.com/OborneTweets/status/1104370890203164673https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/tom-bower-book-dangerous-hero-jeremy-corbyn-labour-leader-truthSo yes I think you have proved your final point there. An actual tape of an actual incident is the same as a badly written book that doesn't even have the type of information in it that you claim it has if that is the way your political leanings lie.As that other noted leftie Max Hastings said in his piece this week talking about Johnson being unfit to be Prime Minister'There is, of course, a symmetry between himself (Johnson) and Jeremy Corbyn. Corbyn is far more honest'https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/24/boris-johnson-prime-minister-tory-party-britainThats not me saying that. Thats the former editor of the Daily Telegraph.Eating cold beans? He probably ignored the vegetarian Lasagne in the fridge in the same way he was oblivious to the empty seats when he sat on the floor in that train carriage.I can just imagine the scene in your house when you suggest to Mrs BB that you have cold lasgne from the fridge for tea - you will probably be wearing it!Is that the time he sat on the floor on the Virgin train and Branson released a docotored video that showed empty seats and only released the full video that showed Corbyn was correct 7 months later, or a different one?https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/virgin-release-traingate-footage-proves-corbyn-told-truth-traingate/23/08/
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on June 25, 2019, 04:32:49 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on June 25, 2019, 04:24:24 pmThe other side of the argument is it's none of your business.When it goes outside of their own four walls and public money is spent on the police attending, it becomes a public matter whether you believe it should or not.But that side of it wasn't their doing, was it! It was the neighbours who didn't like him or his politics that did that. you know, the type of good neighbours who would not only do such a good thing in the name of being good neighbourly but would also contact the Guardian for them to have a w**k over, and then share with their readers to have a w**k over.Political porno at its best!
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on June 25, 2019, 04:24:24 pmThe other side of the argument is it's none of your business.When it goes outside of their own four walls and public money is spent on the police attending, it becomes a public matter whether you believe it should or not.
The other side of the argument is it's none of your business.
Yep, if you think there is potential violence occurring in your neighbour's house, call the police.Then ring the Guardian.
The problem isn't how many papers you read of various opinions, or even how clever and convincing you are at expressing your own take on them. It's definitely not about using that skill to convince yourself and others that you are right when you are not.This thread is a prime example of that. Using a private domestic matter that wasn't even extreme enough for the police to make an arrest should in no way hit the headlines, and only does, of course, if there are ulterior motives.
Quote from: wilts rover on June 25, 2019, 05:36:58 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on June 25, 2019, 05:24:18 pmQuote from: wilts rover on June 25, 2019, 05:07:54 pmQuote from: wing commander on June 25, 2019, 09:39:25 amIt wasn't long ago that the mail did a piece on Corbyn,he was trashed by people who used to work with him with various quotes on his behaviour towards others but that was just right wing scaremongering... At the end of the day once again people will base their arguments and opinions on which way their political leanings lie..I believe the piece WC is referring to is the book about Corbyn that the DM serialised earlier this year.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/books/article-6758101/Corbyn-manage-finances-let-Britains.htmlWe had a thread on ithttps://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=269013.0I don't believe there was anything at all about his behaviour towards others, unless you call eating cold baked beans and loosing his house because he supported a community centre that, but WC can direct us to something as he made the allegation?Be careful however because it has been called 'not just intellectually dishonest, it is a farrago of falsehood and insinuation' by that noted leftie Peter Oborne in his review of it.https://twitter.com/OborneTweets/status/1104370890203164673https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/tom-bower-book-dangerous-hero-jeremy-corbyn-labour-leader-truthSo yes I think you have proved your final point there. An actual tape of an actual incident is the same as a badly written book that doesn't even have the type of information in it that you claim it has if that is the way your political leanings lie.As that other noted leftie Max Hastings said in his piece this week talking about Johnson being unfit to be Prime Minister'There is, of course, a symmetry between himself (Johnson) and Jeremy Corbyn. Corbyn is far more honest'https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/24/boris-johnson-prime-minister-tory-party-britainThats not me saying that. Thats the former editor of the Daily Telegraph.Eating cold beans? He probably ignored the vegetarian Lasagne in the fridge in the same way he was oblivious to the empty seats when he sat on the floor in that train carriage.I can just imagine the scene in your house when you suggest to Mrs BB that you have cold lasgne from the fridge for tea - you will probably be wearing it!Is that the time he sat on the floor on the Virgin train and Branson released a docotored video that showed empty seats and only released the full video that showed Corbyn was correct 7 months later, or a different one?https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/virgin-release-traingate-footage-proves-corbyn-told-truth-traingate/23/08/ If I got a cold Lasagne from our lass I'd shout and curse at her until the police called. Then I'd read all about it in the Guardian the next day. Yes, that's the one, Mr Wilts. The one where he was offered a first-class seat by the train manager instead of sitting on the floor but refused in order to gain a little bit of martyrdom. Eh, Mother Theresa eat your heart out!
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on June 25, 2019, 07:44:22 pmThe problem isn't how many papers you read of various opinions, or even how clever and convincing you are at expressing your own take on them. It's definitely not about using that skill to convince yourself and others that you are right when you are not.This thread is a prime example of that. Using a private domestic matter that wasn't even extreme enough for the police to make an arrest should in no way hit the headlines, and only does, of course, if there are ulterior motives.To show the countryQuote from: Bentley Bullet on June 25, 2019, 05:56:22 pmQuote from: wilts rover on June 25, 2019, 05:36:58 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on June 25, 2019, 05:24:18 pmQuote from: wilts rover on June 25, 2019, 05:07:54 pmQuote from: wing commander on June 25, 2019, 09:39:25 amIt wasn't long ago that the mail did a piece on Corbyn,he was trashed by people who used to work with him with various quotes on his behaviour towards others but that was just right wing scaremongering... At the end of the day once again people will base their arguments and opinions on which way their political leanings lie..I believe the piece WC is referring to is the book about Corbyn that the DM serialised earlier this year.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/books/article-6758101/Corbyn-manage-finances-let-Britains.htmlWe had a thread on ithttps://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=269013.0I don't believe there was anything at all about his behaviour towards others, unless you call eating cold baked beans and loosing his house because he supported a community centre that, but WC can direct us to something as he made the allegation?Be careful however because it has been called 'not just intellectually dishonest, it is a farrago of falsehood and insinuation' by that noted leftie Peter Oborne in his review of it.https://twitter.com/OborneTweets/status/1104370890203164673https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/tom-bower-book-dangerous-hero-jeremy-corbyn-labour-leader-truthSo yes I think you have proved your final point there. An actual tape of an actual incident is the same as a badly written book that doesn't even have the type of information in it that you claim it has if that is the way your political leanings lie.As that other noted leftie Max Hastings said in his piece this week talking about Johnson being unfit to be Prime Minister'There is, of course, a symmetry between himself (Johnson) and Jeremy Corbyn. Corbyn is far more honest'https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/24/boris-johnson-prime-minister-tory-party-britainThats not me saying that. Thats the former editor of the Daily Telegraph.Eating cold beans? He probably ignored the vegetarian Lasagne in the fridge in the same way he was oblivious to the empty seats when he sat on the floor in that train carriage.I can just imagine the scene in your house when you suggest to Mrs BB that you have cold lasgne from the fridge for tea - you will probably be wearing it!Is that the time he sat on the floor on the Virgin train and Branson released a docotored video that showed empty seats and only released the full video that showed Corbyn was correct 7 months later, or a different one?https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/virgin-release-traingate-footage-proves-corbyn-told-truth-traingate/23/08/ If I got a cold Lasagne from our lass I'd shout and curse at her until the police called. Then I'd read all about it in the Guardian the next day. Yes, that's the one, Mr Wilts. The one where he was offered a first-class seat by the train manager instead of sitting on the floor but refused in order to gain a little bit of martyrdom. Eh, Mother Theresa eat your heart out!But you said in your earlier post that there were empty seats he was oblivious too? Which is what Richard Branson claimed at the time - until he was forced to release an undoctored version of the CCTV that showed there weren't any. It doesn't need Mother Teresa to judge who is being truthful here Mr Bentley. And it ain't you.
BBPoint 3 in this post.https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=272636.msg875555#msg875555What do you disagree with about that? And remember, it's not ME saying that Johnson believes in nothing but his own image management, and isn't the loveable buffoon he projects, but a ruthless and nasty man. Not me. It;s his old employer of ten years and Tory grandee, Max Hastings.So, if Johnson has courted public opinion by presenting a very specific side of himself, surely the population has the right to see the other side?Or do you think the unpleasant side should be kept hidden from the population?
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on June 25, 2019, 08:42:08 pmBBPoint 3 in this post.https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=272636.msg875555#msg875555What do you disagree with about that? And remember, it's not ME saying that Johnson believes in nothing but his own image management, and isn't the loveable buffoon he projects, but a ruthless and nasty man. Not me. It;s his old employer of ten years and Tory grandee, Max Hastings.So, if Johnson has courted public opinion by presenting a very specific side of himself, surely the population has the right to see the other side?Or do you think the unpleasant side should be kept hidden from the population? I believe if he is the first choice in an election, he should win said election.
BBLord knows I'm no fan of Corbyn, and I had my own criticisms of him over that issue, but you are once again, entirely missing the point.Corbyn was offered a first class seat because he is Jeremy Corbyn. He's a politician. Who could highlight the f**king mess of privatised rail companies. You or I or anyone else would not have been offered a first class seat. We'd have been told to sit outside the shitters on the floor. D'oh! Corbyn wishes to highlight the state of our trains, and I'm struggling to think of more than 1 person in 100 who would disagree with him on that. If he'd said the the Virgin train staff, thanks very much for giving me a free first class seat because I am Jeremy Corbyn, he would have been a hypocrite. And I know how high your moral standards are, so I assume you wouldn't want him to be a hypocrite.
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on June 26, 2019, 12:15:03 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on June 25, 2019, 08:42:08 pmBBPoint 3 in this post.https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=272636.msg875555#msg875555What do you disagree with about that? And remember, it's not ME saying that Johnson believes in nothing but his own image management, and isn't the loveable buffoon he projects, but a ruthless and nasty man. Not me. It;s his old employer of ten years and Tory grandee, Max Hastings.So, if Johnson has courted public opinion by presenting a very specific side of himself, surely the population has the right to see the other side?Or do you think the unpleasant side should be kept hidden from the population? I believe if he is the first choice in an election, he should win said election. You have a playground approach to democracy. You seem to be getting more childish the older you get. Ignore the core of a discussions and just make smart-arse quips. Presumably you would have had no issue with the result of the 1933 German election and you'd have complained about anyone who questioned the morals of the winner.Because hey! He won didn't he? The losers should just slink off and suck it up.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on June 25, 2019, 02:48:43 pmThat's the thing NNK.He's not even any f**king good at lying. But the idiots who support him do not care. They are dumbly and numbly allowing him to normalise the destruction of objective truth in politics. I bet they'll approve of his hobby too BST. https://twitter.com/rosskempsell/status/1143491303466053633
That's the thing NNK.He's not even any f**king good at lying. But the idiots who support him do not care. They are dumbly and numbly allowing him to normalise the destruction of objective truth in politics.
Quote from: Not Now Kato on June 25, 2019, 04:54:11 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on June 25, 2019, 02:48:43 pmThat's the thing NNK.He's not even any f**king good at lying. But the idiots who support him do not care. They are dumbly and numbly allowing him to normalise the destruction of objective truth in politics. I bet they'll approve of his hobby too BST. https://twitter.com/rosskempsell/status/1143491303466053633NNKI was laughing at that batshit interview yesterday, along with a lot of other people.Thing is. Johnson never does anything related to his ambition or image without a plan.https://mobile.twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1143960713028874240Not so batshit now, is it?