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This is not a criticism, and I don’t ask this in a loaded way whatsoever - but does this mean that we wouldn’t approach a manager who is already in work at all?Say, for example, if a former midfielder managing in the South West was to apply for the job, would it not be considered?
Good post. I think the overall majority of the negativity is at Grant for his loyalty comments then pissing off and leaving us with 12/13 first teamers. He's left us in a mess. The only negativity about the board would be the length of time the interview process will take, as the window isn't open forever and any targets a new man would want could end up going to other clubs.
Martin, can you comment on the loans that were apparently already agreed?
Who will be taking them to La Manga? Paul Gerrard?
This board played a straight bat to the recent overtures from Hull. They adopted the moral high ground and dealt with the circumstances as anybody would expect them to do. But I see certain DRFC fans now want them to adopt different tactics, make approaches to managers who are already in work, or poach talent from elsewhere. That's not the club we are surely? We have massive respect throughout the game of football, do you really want us to lose all of that so we can have a manager that might bring us success?
I would take it to mean that if a manager expressed an interest in our job we would do the decent thing and negotiate with his club before entering into formal talks. To be fair I get the feeling that’s what’s just happened here too. I’m not sure Hull did the tapping up, I feel it may have come through McCann and his agent. Remarkable really given his words. To be fair to Hull they made an official approach before entering into formal talks. But something had gone on before that, clearly.
I appreciate the fact we may be considered a polite club and honorable, these are great values but what i think we are missing is that predatory business methods. Facts are the club is a business, and at the moment we are somewhat dwindling. If we want success we are going to have to take some chances and be more aggressive. I am in no way criticizing the board, we could not ask for more loyal savvy individuals.
Quote from: silent majority on June 22, 2019, 12:10:49 pmThis board played a straight bat to the recent overtures from Hull. They adopted the moral high ground and dealt with the circumstances as anybody would expect them to do. But I see certain DRFC fans now want them to adopt different tactics, make approaches to managers who are already in work, or poach talent from elsewhere. That's not the club we are surely? We have massive respect throughout the game of football, do you really want us to lose all of that so we can have a manager that might bring us success?That's essentially what most player transfers are though. Players in work, poaching talent off clubs you can outcompete financially. That IS the game (whether we like it or not), and if you don't play the game you are simply going to put yourself at a disadvantage.It's nice to be respected for the right things but losing respect because you've 'poached' a talented manager is not something we should be intrinsically worried about. As others have highlighted in recent posts, it depends heavily on a case by case basis. If SO'D had left us for a bigger club having gained promotion and establishing us in the championship no one would have begrudged him moving. McCann left after only just starting, and talking up, his project. Its two different scenarios.I think we disadvantage ourselves if we rule out not targeting managers in work. There definitely are advantages to that type of thing, such as the manager already having a network of players/targets.
Thanks SM.. could you give any feedback on the chats you had re Grant and the logic behind his subsequent move?
Quote from: Jonathan on June 22, 2019, 12:37:21 pmI would take it to mean that if a manager expressed an interest in our job we would do the decent thing and negotiate with his club before entering into formal talks. To be fair I get the feeling that’s what’s just happened here too. I’m not sure Hull did the tapping up, I feel it may have come through McCann and his agent. Remarkable really given his words. To be fair to Hull they made an official approach before entering into formal talks. But something had gone on before that, clearly. There were certain bits to the Hull thing that didn't quite fit right. When the Hull media started posting, on Wednesday, that GM was interested in the job and that discussions were taking place that wasn't correct. I had spoken to the club because of those same media reports, and nothing official had been received at that point, as I posted on here. So, we can only guess at what had happened prior to that point in time.
SM,I said quite early on that I thought McCann had been tapped up now if we can prove that is the case could we not take legal action against both parties?
Quote from: Roversfan1 on June 22, 2019, 12:37:55 pm I appreciate the fact we may be considered a polite club and honorable, these are great values but what i think we are missing is that predatory business methods. Facts are the club is a business, and at the moment we are somewhat dwindling. If we want success we are going to have to take some chances and be more aggressive. I am in no way criticizing the board, we could not ask for more loyal savvy individuals. I think you're very much mistaken. Dwindling as a club? I'm not sure what you mean by that but the accounts show a completely different picture to that.
Quote from: silent majority on June 22, 2019, 12:53:45 pmQuote from: Jonathan on June 22, 2019, 12:37:21 pmI would take it to mean that if a manager expressed an interest in our job we would do the decent thing and negotiate with his club before entering into formal talks. To be fair I get the feeling that’s what’s just happened here too. I’m not sure Hull did the tapping up, I feel it may have come through McCann and his agent. Remarkable really given his words. To be fair to Hull they made an official approach before entering into formal talks. But something had gone on before that, clearly. There were certain bits to the Hull thing that didn't quite fit right. When the Hull media started posting, on Wednesday, that GM was interested in the job and that discussions were taking place that wasn't correct. I had spoken to the club because of those same media reports, and nothing official had been received at that point, as I posted on here. So, we can only guess at what had happened prior to that point in time.I get the feeling Hull had sounded out McCan through his agent, we’ll never know for sure, I know it was dreessed up in the media that he was too busy on Tuesdayto take the press call because he was tying up new players, but that does n’t fit what eventually happened regarding the new players that came in this week