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Quote from: idler on September 10, 2019, 08:16:31 amThere are 23 teams in the league.1 team wants the points in respect of the cavalier way in which it was postponed against all rules.1 team wants it replayed when they have a stronger side.21 teams want it replayed to deny us three free points in their own interest.I wonder who the EFL will disappoint?There's only one team going to be disappointed. Us, as it's the easiest option with the least fall out.The other 21 teams were not scheduled to play them that night. The other 21 teams were not preparing in training to play them.The other 21 teams had not made travel arrangements to go to Bolton. The other 21 teams were not inconvenienced and had to cancel those arrangements. The other 21 teams did not have to contact the EFL urgently to find out what the hell was going on.
There are 23 teams in the league.1 team wants the points in respect of the cavalier way in which it was postponed against all rules.1 team wants it replayed when they have a stronger side.21 teams want it replayed to deny us three free points in their own interest.I wonder who the EFL will disappoint?There's only one team going to be disappointed. Us, as it's the easiest option with the least fall out.
I know this is the FAI but hopefully the EFL will be thinking along the same lines.https://www.extratime.ie/articles/16856/fai-severely-punish-athlone-for-failure-to-fulfill-fixture/
Quote from: DonnyBazR0ver on September 10, 2019, 08:49:13 amQuote from: idler on September 10, 2019, 08:16:31 amThere are 23 teams in the league.1 team wants the points in respect of the cavalier way in which it was postponed against all rules.1 team wants it replayed when they have a stronger side.21 teams want it replayed to deny us three free points in their own interest.I wonder who the EFL will disappoint?There's only one team going to be disappointed. Us, as it's the easiest option with the least fall out.The other 21 teams were not scheduled to play them that night. The other 21 teams were not preparing in training to play them.The other 21 teams had not made travel arrangements to go to Bolton. The other 21 teams were not inconvenienced and had to cancel those arrangements. The other 21 teams did not have to contact the EFL urgently to find out what the hell was going on. I know this DBR but the other 21 teams will be three points less in front or further behind us if we get the points. They won't want this to happen under any circumstances. It is self preservation, that's all.If Bolton take any points from us later in the season it helps the rest as they are still likely to go down. We on the other hand could be near promotion or fighting relegation, three free points could be crucial to us to the detriment of others. That is all that they will be selfishly looking at.
Quote from: DonnyBazR0ver on September 10, 2019, 08:49:13 amQuote from: idler on September 10, 2019, 08:16:31 amThere are 23 teams in the league.1 team wants the points in respect of the cavalier way in which it was postponed against all rules.1 team wants it replayed when they have a stronger side.21 teams want it replayed to deny us three free points in their own interest.I wonder who the EFL will disappoint?There's only one team going to be disappointed. Us, as it's the easiest option with the least fall out.The other 21 teams were not scheduled to play them that night. The other 21 teams were not preparing in training to play them.The other 21 teams had not made travel arrangements to go to Bolton. The other 21 teams were not inconvenienced and had to cancel those arrangements. The other 21 teams did not have to contact the EFL urgently to find out what the hell was going on. Surely the other 21 teams knew the rules before the season started and failure to fulfil a fixture is 3 points and a 3-0 win to the opponents according to the rules is it not?
Think the situations were slightly different.As it was the last game of the season all games have to be played within 4 days of the season ending.Bolton said they couldn’t do that so win was awarded to Brentford.
Quote from: Bessie Red on September 10, 2019, 10:16:58 amQuote from: DonnyBazR0ver on September 10, 2019, 08:49:13 amQuote from: idler on September 10, 2019, 08:16:31 amThere are 23 teams in the league.1 team wants the points in respect of the cavalier way in which it was postponed against all rules.1 team wants it replayed when they have a stronger side.21 teams want it replayed to deny us three free points in their own interest.I wonder who the EFL will disappoint?There's only one team going to be disappointed. Us, as it's the easiest option with the least fall out.The other 21 teams were not scheduled to play them that night. The other 21 teams were not preparing in training to play them.The other 21 teams had not made travel arrangements to go to Bolton. The other 21 teams were not inconvenienced and had to cancel those arrangements. The other 21 teams did not have to contact the EFL urgently to find out what the hell was going on. Surely the other 21 teams knew the rules before the season started and failure to fulfil a fixture is 3 points and a 3-0 win to the opponents according to the rules is it not?Is that the rule though.Does anyone on here actually know that?
Any such action taken against Bolton i.e., docking of points or/plus a financial penalty would be the equivalent of throwing stones at a burning building.
Quote from: dickos1 on September 10, 2019, 11:16:24 amThink the situations were slightly different.As it was the last game of the season all games have to be played within 4 days of the season ending.Bolton said they couldn’t do that so win was awarded to Brentford. It wasn't the last game of the season though, they played Forrest on the last day at Home.
Quote from: RugbyRover on September 10, 2019, 09:07:55 amI know this is the FAI but hopefully the EFL will be thinking along the same lines.https://www.extratime.ie/articles/16856/fai-severely-punish-athlone-for-failure-to-fulfill-fixture/So they might make Bolton play the game at the Keepmoat. That would be a novelty 2 home league games against the same team in the same season.Can’t see it myself but hey, what the heck do i know. Dutch has that happened before, maybe in different circumstances of course?
Quote from: Campsall rover on September 10, 2019, 09:29:59 amQuote from: RugbyRover on September 10, 2019, 09:07:55 amI know this is the FAI but hopefully the EFL will be thinking along the same lines.https://www.extratime.ie/articles/16856/fai-severely-punish-athlone-for-failure-to-fulfill-fixture/So they might make Bolton play the game at the Keepmoat. That would be a novelty 2 home league games against the same team in the same season.Can’t see it myself but hey, what the heck do i know. Dutch has that happened before, maybe in different circumstances of course? Very interesting question Campsall, and I can't recall anything at the moment. As you suggest there are other possible circumstances like a ground being out of action for some time (e.g. Carlisle with flooding not so long ago) or ground sharing although I can't recall any ground sharing of two clubs in the same league. I am sure there are many examples when a ground is temporarily out of action when home games are played elsewhere, but the norm is to play at a ground nearby the affected club. Maybe there was a local derby sometime when there was a ground switch in those circumstances. Of course there have been many switches in cup games with the smaller club giving up home advantage to the larger for a bigger crowd and pay day. Of course it happens regularly as a matter of course in the Scottish leagues and the Northern Ireland premier league, and is it the Scilly Isles (we have a poster on here who knows well) who have only two teams who play each other multiple times.
That Brentford game last season went down as a 1-0 win.
Quote from: Dutch Uncle on September 10, 2019, 12:27:41 pmQuote from: Campsall rover on September 10, 2019, 09:29:59 amQuote from: RugbyRover on September 10, 2019, 09:07:55 amI know this is the FAI but hopefully the EFL will be thinking along the same lines.https://www.extratime.ie/articles/16856/fai-severely-punish-athlone-for-failure-to-fulfill-fixture/So they might make Bolton play the game at the Keepmoat. That would be a novelty 2 home league games against the same team in the same season.Can’t see it myself but hey, what the heck do i know. Dutch has that happened before, maybe in different circumstances of course? Very interesting question Campsall, and I can't recall anything at the moment. As you suggest there are other possible circumstances like a ground being out of action for some time (e.g. Carlisle with flooding not so long ago) or ground sharing although I can't recall any ground sharing of two clubs in the same league. I am sure there are many examples when a ground is temporarily out of action when home games are played elsewhere, but the norm is to play at a ground nearby the affected club. Maybe there was a local derby sometime when there was a ground switch in those circumstances. Of course there have been many switches in cup games with the smaller club giving up home advantage to the larger for a bigger crowd and pay day. Of course it happens regularly as a matter of course in the Scottish leagues and the Northern Ireland premier league, and is it the Scilly Isles (we have a poster on here who knows well) who have only two teams who play each other multiple times.Im sure it has happened in the past,but cannot think when or who.Regards groundshare,did Wimbledon ever play Palace in same league at the time?
Let's remind ourselves of the events leading up to this.1. Bolton requested the Saturday Tranmere game to be postponed on Thursday and the EFL declined their request. 2. On Friday Bolton asked the EFL if they could sign players on a short term basis to bolster the squad and the EFL confirmed they could.3.On Monday, Phil Parkinson chose not to exercise the option of signing players and elected not to contact the EFL or Doncaster Rovers in the knowledge that their request would be declined again and took the decision to withdraw from the fixture.4. We were already preparing for the game and continued to do so until lunchtime on match day just in case the EFL ordered Bolton to fulfill the fixture.That has to be as near as damn it to a forfeit surely.
Quote from: DonnyBazR0ver on September 10, 2019, 01:18:17 pmLet's remind ourselves of the events leading up to this.1. Bolton requested the Saturday Tranmere game to be postponed on Thursday and the EFL declined their request. 2. On Friday Bolton asked the EFL if they could sign players on a short term basis to bolster the squad and the EFL confirmed they could.3.On Monday, Phil Parkinson chose not to exercise the option of signing players and elected not to contact the EFL or Doncaster Rovers in the knowledge that their request would be declined again and took the decision to withdraw from the fixture.4. We were already preparing for the game and continued to do so until lunchtime on match day just in case the EFL ordered Bolton to fulfill the fixture.That has to be as near as damn it to a forfeit surely. Thanks for that, I wasn't aware of point 2. Have looked but can't see any reference to it.
Quote from: dickos1 on September 10, 2019, 11:16:24 amThink the situations were slightly different.As it was the last game of the season all games have to be played within 4 days of the season ending.Bolton said they couldn’t do that so win was awarded to Brentford. By the same token if a game is “postponed” aren’t the two clubs bound to agree a rescheduling date within 10 days? That hasn’t happened.