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Quote from: Drover on September 10, 2019, 12:38:11 pmQuote from: Dutch Uncle on September 10, 2019, 12:27:41 pmQuote from: Campsall rover on September 10, 2019, 09:29:59 amQuote from: RugbyRover on September 10, 2019, 09:07:55 amI know this is the FAI but hopefully the EFL will be thinking along the same lines.https://www.extratime.ie/articles/16856/fai-severely-punish-athlone-for-failure-to-fulfill-fixture/So they might make Bolton play the game at the Keepmoat. That would be a novelty 2 home league games against the same team in the same season.Can’t see it myself but hey, what the heck do i know. Dutch has that happened before, maybe in different circumstances of course? Very interesting question Campsall, and I can't recall anything at the moment. As you suggest there are other possible circumstances like a ground being out of action for some time (e.g. Carlisle with flooding not so long ago) or ground sharing although I can't recall any ground sharing of two clubs in the same league. I am sure there are many examples when a ground is temporarily out of action when home games are played elsewhere, but the norm is to play at a ground nearby the affected club. Maybe there was a local derby sometime when there was a ground switch in those circumstances. Of course there have been many switches in cup games with the smaller club giving up home advantage to the larger for a bigger crowd and pay day. Of course it happens regularly as a matter of course in the Scottish leagues and the Northern Ireland premier league, and is it the Scilly Isles (we have a poster on here who knows well) who have only two teams who play each other multiple times.Im sure it has happened in the past,but cannot think when or who.Regards groundshare,did Wimbledon ever play Palace in same league at the time?Brilliant Drover. Wimbledon moved to Selhurst Park in 1991 and played Palace in the Premier League in 1992-93, 1994-95 and 1997-98 and in the then Division 1 in 2001-02 and 2002-03. They were in the Milton Keynes ground for 2003-04.
Quote from: Dutch Uncle on September 10, 2019, 12:27:41 pmQuote from: Campsall rover on September 10, 2019, 09:29:59 amQuote from: RugbyRover on September 10, 2019, 09:07:55 amI know this is the FAI but hopefully the EFL will be thinking along the same lines.https://www.extratime.ie/articles/16856/fai-severely-punish-athlone-for-failure-to-fulfill-fixture/So they might make Bolton play the game at the Keepmoat. That would be a novelty 2 home league games against the same team in the same season.Can’t see it myself but hey, what the heck do i know. Dutch has that happened before, maybe in different circumstances of course? Very interesting question Campsall, and I can't recall anything at the moment. As you suggest there are other possible circumstances like a ground being out of action for some time (e.g. Carlisle with flooding not so long ago) or ground sharing although I can't recall any ground sharing of two clubs in the same league. I am sure there are many examples when a ground is temporarily out of action when home games are played elsewhere, but the norm is to play at a ground nearby the affected club. Maybe there was a local derby sometime when there was a ground switch in those circumstances. Of course there have been many switches in cup games with the smaller club giving up home advantage to the larger for a bigger crowd and pay day. Of course it happens regularly as a matter of course in the Scottish leagues and the Northern Ireland premier league, and is it the Scilly Isles (we have a poster on here who knows well) who have only two teams who play each other multiple times.Im sure it has happened in the past,but cannot think when or who.Regards groundshare,did Wimbledon ever play Palace in same league at the time?
Quote from: Campsall rover on September 10, 2019, 09:29:59 amQuote from: RugbyRover on September 10, 2019, 09:07:55 amI know this is the FAI but hopefully the EFL will be thinking along the same lines.https://www.extratime.ie/articles/16856/fai-severely-punish-athlone-for-failure-to-fulfill-fixture/So they might make Bolton play the game at the Keepmoat. That would be a novelty 2 home league games against the same team in the same season.Can’t see it myself but hey, what the heck do i know. Dutch has that happened before, maybe in different circumstances of course? Very interesting question Campsall, and I can't recall anything at the moment. As you suggest there are other possible circumstances like a ground being out of action for some time (e.g. Carlisle with flooding not so long ago) or ground sharing although I can't recall any ground sharing of two clubs in the same league. I am sure there are many examples when a ground is temporarily out of action when home games are played elsewhere, but the norm is to play at a ground nearby the affected club. Maybe there was a local derby sometime when there was a ground switch in those circumstances. Of course there have been many switches in cup games with the smaller club giving up home advantage to the larger for a bigger crowd and pay day. Of course it happens regularly as a matter of course in the Scottish leagues and the Northern Ireland premier league, and is it the Scilly Isles (we have a poster on here who knows well) who have only two teams who play each other multiple times.
Quote from: RugbyRover on September 10, 2019, 09:07:55 amI know this is the FAI but hopefully the EFL will be thinking along the same lines.https://www.extratime.ie/articles/16856/fai-severely-punish-athlone-for-failure-to-fulfill-fixture/So they might make Bolton play the game at the Keepmoat. That would be a novelty 2 home league games against the same team in the same season.Can’t see it myself but hey, what the heck do i know. Dutch has that happened before, maybe in different circumstances of course?
I know this is the FAI but hopefully the EFL will be thinking along the same lines.https://www.extratime.ie/articles/16856/fai-severely-punish-athlone-for-failure-to-fulfill-fixture/
Does anyone know, who would one appeal to should they disagree with a decision made by the EFL?If the answer, as I fear, is no one, this essentially leaves the EFL to make up the rules as they go along. In which case, when people speak of legal action, what law would the EFL have broken if they do not take the course of action that I think we all agree they should?
Quote from: drfcsteve on September 10, 2019, 01:48:11 pmDoes anyone know, who would one appeal to should they disagree with a decision made by the EFL?If the answer, as I fear, is no one, this essentially leaves the EFL to make up the rules as they go along. In which case, when people speak of legal action, what law would the EFL have broken if they do not take the course of action that I think we all agree they should?A very pertinent point. Who/how can ‘a group or body’ take any action against the EFL?
Quote from: Colin C No.3 on September 10, 2019, 05:32:03 pmQuote from: drfcsteve on September 10, 2019, 01:48:11 pmDoes anyone know, who would one appeal to should they disagree with a decision made by the EFL?If the answer, as I fear, is no one, this essentially leaves the EFL to make up the rules as they go along. In which case, when people speak of legal action, what law would the EFL have broken if they do not take the course of action that I think we all agree they should?A very pertinent point. Who/how can ‘a group or body’ take any action against the EFL?You can't. The EFL is essentially 72 clubs (now 71) working collectively. The EFL board are there simply as a competition organiser, and all rules and rule changes are agreed each summer at the EFL AGM. That means the EFL can't make up it's rules as they go along. They can interpret them if they so wish, but invariably it will amount to consensus in the long run.It would be a bit strange for one of those member clubs to go into battle with the rest. However, that's been tried or threatened on a couple of occasions but so far has never gained traction.
Surely, we’re not still discussing this, are we?Isn’t it quite simple - the game does not allow for any one team to decide whether it’s going to play a game, or not. Bolton did exactly that, so cancelled/forfeited. End of.3 points to us. The only discussion is how big a win to the efl give us!
Any such action taken against Bolton i.e., docking of points or/plus a financial penalty would be the equivalent of throwing stones at a burning building.
Quote from: Alan Southstand on September 10, 2019, 09:51:38 pmSurely, we’re not still discussing this, are we?Isn’t it quite simple - the game does not allow for any one team to decide whether it’s going to play a game, or not. Bolton did exactly that, so cancelled/forfeited. End of.3 points to us. The only discussion is how big a win to the efl give us!You know that, i know that and the rest of us do. But the EFL don’t think so or it would have been done immediately. “A decision will be made in the next few days” That was 16 days ago wasn’t it? What is a few days?It really is ridiculous. It’s a football BREXIT. Paul don’t use the B word or words Brexit & Bolton.Could this go on for years as well.
Probably they won't inform individual supporters until such time as the club(s) have been informed and a statement published on their website.
And yet, despite the passage of said time and numerous ramblings ever since, there is still the indisputable facts of the matter:Bolton admin took the law into their own hands and cancelled a designated fixtureThey did not officially inform either the EFL or their opponentThose facts remain.
I wrote to the EFL on August 31. Just received this email:Dear Mark, Thank you for your email, we note your query. However, there is currently no further update in regards to the fixture you have mentioned below. Any further comments will be made via efl.com in due course. Thank you for contacting the EFL. Kind Regards DannySupporter Services DepartmentEFLWhat the hell is going on?
Well according to this Bolton are preparing for a game against us....https://www.bwfc.co.uk/news/2019/september/training--wanderers-prepare-for-league-double-header/
Quote from: Metalmicky on September 12, 2019, 10:31:50 amWell according to this Bolton are preparing for a game against us....https://www.bwfc.co.uk/news/2019/september/training--wanderers-prepare-for-league-double-header/Think they have got us confused with Rotherham United, who they are playing on Saturday. Guess easy to confuse two clubs from industrial wastelands of South Yorkshire who play in red.
Quote from: Chris Black come back on September 12, 2019, 10:37:35 amQuote from: Metalmicky on September 12, 2019, 10:31:50 amWell according to this Bolton are preparing for a game against us....https://www.bwfc.co.uk/news/2019/september/training--wanderers-prepare-for-league-double-header/Think they have got us confused with Rotherham United, who they are playing on Saturday. Guess easy to confuse two clubs from industrial wastelands of South Yorkshire who play in red. They've just changed it............ got to laugh though - Freudian slip?