Labour policies

[Filo]

It might be fully costed Filo but it is very optimistic and fanciful.
Plenty of respected political observers have said as much.
That IFS piece says much about it being so too.

Look up Clement Attlee and the Labour manifesto of 1945, many said the same thigs then, the manifesto was deliveredin full whenthe Country was on its knees after WW2

If I suppose we will have to wait and see whether they get elected first.

Straight question mate, ignore the costs, do you like what you see in the Labour manifesto?

Some things, yes.
Not all of it though.

So give it a chance, if you don’t like what happens afterwards you can vote for someone else next time

5 years later, I dont think that is a risk worth taking personally.

Interesting to see McDonnell cocked up big style confirming something wont happen then it appears in the manifesto.  The funniest thing was one of the north east labour mps trying to articulate the brexit policy of which he had no idea. A somewhat hilarious interview.

So the alternative, a serial lier as PM is a risk worth taking?

[SydneyRover]

Bfyp, you're very good at casting doubt without actually saying what why and how, it comes across as being an apologist for Johnson and the spivs even if you insist you're not.

[Filo]

It might be fully costed Filo but it is very optimistic and fanciful.
Plenty of respected political observers have said as much.
That IFS piece says much about it being so too.

Look up Clement Attlee and the Labour manifesto of 1945, many said the same thigs then, the manifesto was deliveredin full whenthe Country was on its knees after WW2

If I suppose we will have to wait and see whether they get elected first.

Straight question mate, ignore the costs, do you like what you see in the Labour manifesto?

Some things, yes.
Not all of it though.

So give it a chance, if you don’t like what happens afterwards you can vote for someone else next time

5 years later, I dont think that is a risk worth taking personally.

Interesting to see McDonnell cocked up big style confirming something wont happen then it appears in the manifesto.  The funniest thing was one of the north east labour mps trying to articulate the brexit policy of which he had no idea. A somewhat hilarious interview.

I get the feeling you are struggling for excuses to justify you voting Conservative

[Sprotyrover]

£140 billion a year tax increases!.... I would count on Corbyn being able to rustle  up the coat of his hearse to the Crematorium, the sooner the better!

[drfchound]

It might be fully costed Filo but it is very optimistic and fanciful.
Plenty of respected political observers have said as much.
That IFS piece says much about it being so too.

Look up Clement Attlee and the Labour manifesto of 1945, many said the same thigs then, the manifesto was deliveredin full whenthe Country was on its knees after WW2

If I suppose we will have to wait and see whether they get elected first.

Straight question mate, ignore the costs, do you like what you see in the Labour manifesto?

Some things, yes.
Not all of it though.

So give it a chance, if you don’t like what happens afterwards you can vote for someone else next time

Filo, as I have said many times, Labour will win the Doncaster seats.
My individual vote won't make any difference.
If I vote Labour they will win by one extra vote.
If I got for someone else then Labour will win by one less vote.
To be honest, I don't like or trust BJ but I have the same feelings for JC, but even more so.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Sproty.

Where did you get that number from?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Hound.

You have ample evidence of Johnson lying over matters large and small. From EU regulations on bent bananas, through the existence of his bas**rd love child, to his claim that he is funding the building of 40 new hospitals when the actual figure is 6.

So there's no question whatsoever that Johnson can't EVER be trusted not to lie.

Where's the even stronger evidence against Corbyn?

[drfchound]

Hound.

You have ample evidence of Johnson lying over matters large and small. From EU regulations on bent bananas, through the existence of his bas**rd love child, to his claim that he is funding the building of 40 new hospitals when the actual figure is 6.

So there's no question whatsoever that Johnson can't EVER be trusted not to lie.

Where's the even stronger evidence against Corbyn?

I don't like him and don't trust him.
He is evasive over brexit too which doesn't endear him to me.

[Sprotyrover]

It might be fully costed Filo but it is very optimistic and fanciful.
Plenty of respected political observers have said as much.
That IFS piece says much about it being so too.

Look up Clement Attlee and the Labour manifesto of 1945, many said the same thigs then, the manifesto was deliveredin full whenthe Country was on its knees after WW2

If I suppose we will have to wait and see whether they get elected first.

Straight question mate, ignore the costs, do you like what you see in the Labour manifesto?

I don't, despite the fact that as a Civil servant I will get a pay rise, you have to put these bribes to one side and look at the greater good of the Nation, these pirate raids on big business will see massive disruptions and job losses, we will all end up working for a State that haemorrhages money on a biblical scale(causing more damage than the great flood of Noah's time) they are alright a chucking money at silly quangos and creating nanny state black holes(such as the much vaunted Government offices) and they just can't spend money wisely just watch those management wiring diagrams go crazy.. no thanks
The Labour agenda is clearly to stay in Europe so there won't be any privisation the Brussels fat cats won't allow it!

[BillyStubbsTears]

So you have an issue with him on one topic and as a result you don't trust him. But you want (I assume) a man with  a 30 year track record of pathological lying to win?

[Sprotyrover]

Sproty.

Where did you get that number from?

Kueneberg on the BBC ten o'clock news.

[Filo]

So you have an issue with him on one topic and as a result you don't trust him. But you want (I assume) a man with  a 30 year track record of pathological lying to win?

This is what I don’t get, people are that blinkered by brexit, nothing else matters as long as they get their Holy Grail

[drfchound]

So you have an issue with him on one topic and as a result you don't trust him. But you want (I assume) a man with  a 30 year track record of pathological lying to win?

There is more than one topic that I don't trust him on.  His proposed IHT changes are something I don't like either for a starter.

By the way, I haven't stated anywhere that I will vote Tory so I don't know why you would assume that.

[drfchound]

So you have an issue with him on one topic and as a result you don't trust him. But you want (I assume) a man with  a 30 year track record of pathological lying to win?

This is what I don’t get, people are that blinkered by brexit, nothing else matters as long as they get their Holy Grail

I voted to stay in the EU Filo.

[SydneyRover]

But most of your posts sound like your campaigning for a party that will crash out at the first opportunity??

[drfchound]

But most of your posts sound like your campaigning for a party that will crash out at the first opportunity??

Sorry, but you are reading that into my posts.
I have not said who I will be voting for.

I actually do get pissed off though by the constant bombardment of Labour campaigners like yourself trying to indoctrinate everyone that unless we all vote Labour that there is something wrong with our mentality.

 

[SydneyRover]

Apart from the occasional bit of opinion from myself I post pieces from credible sources that reflect or support opinions on a way forward that is fairer for all, mainly of course for those less well off.

If you see facts as an attempted indoctrination then I can't help you, you could if you want to post facts about the conservative party, I wish you would-in fact but I won't hold my breath as their record is appalling so why would you with their record of mismanagement and outright lies.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Sproty.

Where did you get that number from?

Kueneberg on the BBC ten o'clock news.

You need to pay more attention Sproty.

a) It was Faisal Islam, not Laura Kuenssberg who mentioned £140bn.

b) He didn't say Labour would be raising taxes by that much. They'd be raising just over half that much from tax increases. The rest would come from borrowing to invest in infrastructure.

[SydneyRover]

And what better time could there be to borrow to alleviate suffering without burning the house down, if you can't borrow at these historic rate when can you?

[bpoolrover]

https://www.ifs.org.uk/election/2019/article/labour-manifesto-an-initial-reaction-from-ifs-researchers

[SydneyRover]

https://www.ifs.org.uk/election/2019/article/labour-manifesto-an-initial-reaction-from-ifs-researchers

What's your take on the 'initial' reaction bp?

[bpoolrover]

That they can’t afford what they are promising

[SydneyRover]

Your take on the reaction from IFS??

[bpoolrover]

As above

[SydneyRover]

Here we go, where does it say that and what are they referring to?

[bpoolrover]

For a start it says they doubt very much that the raise in corporation tax will bring in what labour hope for, but I’m sure you already no that? No?

[bpoolrover]

It will be extremely hard to simply deliver the kind of capital spending they plan,certainly in a cost effective way

[SydneyRover]

Yes I did read that but I had to ask you 3x 

[bpoolrover]

It is unlikely that labour can raise the amount they set out from taxes?

[bpoolrover]

So we’re agreed then labour can’t actually afford what they have set out?