Reasons to be Cheerful

[Bentley Bullet]

So you want me to provide statistics?

I KNOW that in the past, I say in the past because I don't buy the Free Press now, that it didn't always put local murders on the front page.

[BillyStubbsTears]

No BB.

I've not asked for statistics. Statistics are aggregates of lots of specific individual items of information. I've asked for specific individual examples.

Let me give you an example.

Saying a specific person was born on a specific date is not a statistic. It's a specific individual piece of information. Saying that on average, 3,000 people are born in any given date...THAT is a statistic. I'm not asking for a statistic. I'm asking for a specific example.

[BillyStubbsTears]

If you know, then give me an example.

[Bentley Bullet]

It's obvious that you have more time than me, so, seeing as it's you who needs convincing of my claim that not all local murders make the Doncaster Free Press front page, YOU give me a list of all the local murders and show me the Free Press front-page headline of them all.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I don't think you quite get how this making an astonishing claim thing works do you BB? If you're acting like a grown up, when you make an astonishing claim, you don't then turn round and say, "YOU prove it's not true!"

If that's where we've got to, I assume it's another cul de sac where we can now stop.

[Bentley Bullet]

What I say is true, although I can't prove it. Perhaps you can prove your claim that it is untrue by proving it?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Bye bye BB.

[Bentley Bullet]

BST, the next time you post anything about your own experience I will ask you to prove it.

Are you OK with that?

[Herbert Anchovy]

To be clear, the original OP refers to comparison between the 80’s and now. Not the 60’s. However, using the logic used by some on here, my old man and his pal had the shit kicked out of them by a group of thugs in the southern bus station in 1968 and my uncle was put in hospital following an unprovoked attack where he was hit in the face with a pint pot in the Top Rank in ‘71. Neither of them have ever been in the receiving end of violent assaults since then. I’ve had 2 kickings in my life; once outside Rossington Labour Club in 1980 and once in Romeo & Juliet in Donny in 1982. Both unprovoked. Nothing has happened to me since. Going to the football was more dangerous in the 70’s and 80’s. I was at the FA Cup semi final reply in ‘85 between Man Utd and Liverpool and the amount of violence I witnessed was terrifying. Gigs were riddled with violence. I saw trouble at gigs by The Police, The Specials, Sham 69 and Dexys amongst others. When I first moved to London in the early 80’s I remember seeing a huge NF demo marching through East London with thugs putting the windows through of shops run by Asians. The very few police who were on hand did absolutely nothing. Using some people’s logic, that must mean they were more dangerous times than now.

[Bentley Bullet]

Was that a party political broadcast on behalf of the Conservative party? 

[Herbert Anchovy]

Was that a party political broadcast on behalf of the Conservative party? 

Busted 😂

[Axholme Lion]

I think the point is that no-one is shocked by a murder taking place in the locality any more. It's now accepted as part of life (and death).

[Bentley Bullet]

Slightly diverting off subject, in the 60's we used to leave our house without locking the door. Perhaps the only time it was locked was on a couple of occasions when we went on a family holiday. Maybe the number one rule of the time - Nobody pinches from their own class of people - was observed mainly because no one had owt worth nicking, more than any form of mutual respect.

[BillyStubbsTears]

That's odd though AL, because the prevalence of murder isn't much higher now than it was 50 years ago. And it's a lot, lot lower than it was 20 years ago.

Here's a thought. Maybe YOU have got older. Maybe YOU were shocked as a 14 year old to hear about murder, just as I was. Then as you get older, there's a cumulative effect that numbs you.

Just a thought.

[Axholme Lion]

There is a new underclass of scum populating the country now who are breeding like rats. Their role in life is to claim benefits, thieve and breed.

[tommy toes]

No-one had owt worth nicking eh?
Kind of refutes your claim that things were better back then BB.

[Axholme Lion]

That's odd though AL, because the prevalence of murder isn't much higher now than it was 50 years ago. And it's a lot, lot lower than it was 20 years ago.

Here's a thought. Maybe YOU have got older. Maybe YOU were shocked as a 14 year old to hear about murder, just as I was. Then as you get older, there's a cumulative effect that numbs you.

Just a thought.

But a murder in the local area used to be big news. Now it's just chip wrappings the day after.

[Bentley Bullet]

Have you wondered if the reason for the drop in the number of murders now might be down to fewer people going out, rendering village streets virtually empty?

[Bentley Bullet]

That's odd though AL, because the prevalence of murder isn't much higher now than it was 50 years ago. And it's a lot, lot lower than it was 20 years ago.

Here's a thought. Maybe YOU have got older. Maybe YOU were shocked as a 14 year old to hear about murder, just as I was. Then as you get older, there's a cumulative effect that numbs you.

Just a thought.

But a murder in the local area used to be big news. Now it's just chip wrappings the day after.

......And not always front-page chip wrappings.

[wing commander]

  There is some merit to the points mentioned,and if you dont read it in the paper or see it on tv sometimes you dont know it's happening unless you know people involved.I'm told by one of my friends with lets just say friends in low places that for the last few months there has been a gypsy/gang war going off in Doncaster which has resulted in quite a few shootings and missing people..Now that might be exagerated hearsay but just because i've not read anything about in the free press doesn't mean it's not happening..

[Bentley Bullet]

No-one had owt worth nicking eh?
Kind of refutes your claim that things were better back then BB.

Why do you socialists think everything has to be about how much money we have? We might have been poorer financially back then but people, in general, seemed happier despite having nowt worth nicking. Most of us have a better standard of living nowadays, but a lot less value of it.

[tommy toes]

BB You're the one who voted Remain as you thought your pension might go down with Brexit. Then changed your mind.
Me? I would probably pay more tax under Labour but that's Ok if everybody else was happier and better off because of it

[tommy toes]

Really amusing that you think we Socialists only care about money.
Yeah when millions of kids are living in poverty. When the North has been starved of money for the last 10 years, so the infrastructure had gone to pot. When Brexiteers blame the EU for all this, rather than look at how the Tories have operated and then swallowed their lies hook line and sinker and voted to Make things worse.

[Bentley Bullet]

There's no probably about it TT, you WILL pay more tax if your pension goes over £14k P.A.

Regarding my original vote for Brexit, yes, fear of my pension taking a hit did sway me to vote remain, but it wasn't purely a selfish decision. I wanted to leave as much as possible to my family when I popped my clogs, and still do!

As always, I have accepted the results of elections and referendums whether my vote won or lost, and I did exactly the same after the EU referendum. To become a Remoaner would have meant I'd changed my mind over a principle that I'd always stuck to previously.

Listening to the outrageous insults dished out to the Leavers by the Remainers made it easy for me to change alliance and support the Leavers. I didn't want to be on the same side as the Remainers. Still don't.

[Bentley Bullet]

Really amusing that you think we Socialists only care about money.
Yeah when millions of kids are living in poverty. When the North has been starved of money for the last 10 years, so the infrastructure had gone to pot. When Brexiteers blame the EU for all this, rather than look at how the Tories have operated and then swallowed their lies hook line and sinker and voted to Make things worse.

What do you mean the North starved of money over the last ten years? What did the North have prior to that?

[Axholme Lion]

Really amusing that you think we Socialists only care about money.
Yeah when millions of kids are living in poverty. When the North has been starved of money for the last 10 years, so the infrastructure had gone to pot. When Brexiteers blame the EU for all this, rather than look at how the Tories have operated and then swallowed their lies hook line and sinker and voted to Make things worse.

What do you class as poverty though? If you have an iPhone you're not in poverty.

[BillyStubbsTears]

No-one had owt worth nicking eh?
Kind of refutes your claim that things were better back then BB.

Why do you socialists think everything has to be about how much money we have? We might have been poorer financially back then but people, in general, seemed happier despite having nowt worth nicking. Most of us have a better standard of living nowadays, but a lot less value of it.

Couldn't agree more. That's one of the major long term problems. Society is not as welcoming a place as it used to be. I fully agree.

Of course, it was Thatcher who said there's no such thing as society.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Have you wondered if the reason for the drop in the number of murders now might be down to fewer people going out, rendering village streets virtually empty?

I doubt it. A large majority of murders are committed by someone who knows the victim well.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/homicideinenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2017#how-are-victims-and-suspects-related

[BillyStubbsTears]

Strange isn't it. How often you hear people complaining about insults from folk they call "Remaoners". Eeh well. Takes all sorts.

[Bentley Bullet]

I use both Remainer and Remoaner terms in order to differentiate between the likes of me and you. I was a Remainer and you are a Remoaner. I find it of great importance that we are not put in the same category.

I also think being called a Remoaner is far less insulting than being called a tight racist thick old berk who pulled up the ladder to protect his wealth!