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Quote from: tommy toes on December 04, 2019, 12:32:18 pmNo-one had owt worth nicking eh?Kind of refutes your claim that things were better back then BB.Why do you socialists think everything has to be about how much money we have? We might have been poorer financially back then but people, in general, seemed happier despite having nowt worth nicking. Most of us have a better standard of living nowadays, but a lot less value of it.
No-one had owt worth nicking eh?Kind of refutes your claim that things were better back then BB.
Quote from: drfchound on December 03, 2019, 10:31:50 pmIf it didn’t make the headlines then we probably wouldn’t know about it, would we?Somebody must know about them otherwise they wouldn't be so stupid as to go round saying that these murders don't make the headlines, would they?
If it didn’t make the headlines then we probably wouldn’t know about it, would we?
I use both Remainer and Remoaner terms in order to differentiate between the likes of me and you. I was a Remainer and you are a Remoaner. I find it of great importance that we are not put in the same category.I also think being called a Remoaner is far less insulting than being called a tight racist thick old berk who pulled up the ladder to protect his wealth!
Right guys, I've been giving this some thought and have realised how deeply paradoxical this whole thing is. For most of the 1960s we were under the rule of Harold Wilson's Labour Government, and you lot say those times were sh*te. For the last 9 years we've been under the rule of the Tories, and you say times are better now than they've ever been; richer, more peaceful, more tolerant. Can you see where this is going?So come on guys, what's it to be? Are you having your cake or eating it?
Quote from: scawsby steve on December 04, 2019, 04:01:39 pmRight guys, I've been giving this some thought and have realised how deeply paradoxical this whole thing is. For most of the 1960s we were under the rule of Harold Wilson's Labour Government, and you lot say those times were sh*te. For the last 9 years we've been under the rule of the Tories, and you say times are better now than they've ever been; richer, more peaceful, more tolerant. Can you see where this is going?So come on guys, what's it to be? Are you having your cake or eating it?It's not hard SS.There is a general trend towards improvement.In health standards. In educational standards. In housing standards. In environmental standards. In the quality of cars and communications. In efficient wealth production through productivity improvements.Much of that is driven by technical improvement. The internet would have been developed whether Thatcher or Kinnock was PM in the 1980s.The political question is whether the proceeds of those improvements have been managed sensibly and fairly.It is an unarguable fact that today, after 40 years of a more or less market-dominated political environment, far, FAR more proceeds of that improvement go to the richest and far fewer to the rest than was the case in the 1960s. We were poorer then but we distributed the proceeds more equitably.The change over the past 40-50 years didn't inevitably have to happen. It was a political choice.My argument is not that we should chuck away all the improvements of the last half century. I just want them more evenly spread.Combine the best of both. The overall wealth of today with the equitable spirit we had in the 1960s.Do you disagree with that?
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on December 04, 2019, 03:19:08 pmI use both Remainer and Remoaner terms in order to differentiate between the likes of me and you. I was a Remainer and you are a Remoaner. I find it of great importance that we are not put in the same category.I also think being called a Remoaner is far less insulting than being called a tight racist thick old berk who pulled up the ladder to protect his wealth!Wrong again as usual BB, you're comparing apples with lemons. Remoaner is just an insult, the other is a fact.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on December 04, 2019, 06:30:57 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on December 04, 2019, 04:01:39 pmRight guys, I've been giving this some thought and have realised how deeply paradoxical this whole thing is. For most of the 1960s we were under the rule of Harold Wilson's Labour Government, and you lot say those times were sh*te. For the last 9 years we've been under the rule of the Tories, and you say times are better now than they've ever been; richer, more peaceful, more tolerant. Can you see where this is going?So come on guys, what's it to be? Are you having your cake or eating it?It's not hard SS.There is a general trend towards improvement.In health standards. In educational standards. In housing standards. In environmental standards. In the quality of cars and communications. In efficient wealth production through productivity improvements.Much of that is driven by technical improvement. The internet would have been developed whether Thatcher or Kinnock was PM in the 1980s.The political question is whether the proceeds of those improvements have been managed sensibly and fairly.It is an unarguable fact that today, after 40 years of a more or less market-dominated political environment, far, FAR more proceeds of that improvement go to the richest and far fewer to the rest than was the case in the 1960s. We were poorer then but we distributed the proceeds more equitably.The change over the past 40-50 years didn't inevitably have to happen. It was a political choice.My argument is not that we should chuck away all the improvements of the last half century. I just want them more evenly spread.Combine the best of both. The overall wealth of today with the equitable spirit we had in the 1960s.Do you disagree with that?No I don't, so why do so many of you knock the 60s? We won the World Cup, had zero unemployment, and working class pleasures were cheap. What was there not to like?
Quote from: scawsby steve on December 04, 2019, 06:56:39 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on December 04, 2019, 06:30:57 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on December 04, 2019, 04:01:39 pmRight guys, I've been giving this some thought and have realised how deeply paradoxical this whole thing is. For most of the 1960s we were under the rule of Harold Wilson's Labour Government, and you lot say those times were sh*te. For the last 9 years we've been under the rule of the Tories, and you say times are better now than they've ever been; richer, more peaceful, more tolerant. Can you see where this is going?So come on guys, what's it to be? Are you having your cake or eating it?It's not hard SS.There is a general trend towards improvement.In health standards. In educational standards. In housing standards. In environmental standards. In the quality of cars and communications. In efficient wealth production through productivity improvements.Much of that is driven by technical improvement. The internet would have been developed whether Thatcher or Kinnock was PM in the 1980s.The political question is whether the proceeds of those improvements have been managed sensibly and fairly.It is an unarguable fact that today, after 40 years of a more or less market-dominated political environment, far, FAR more proceeds of that improvement go to the richest and far fewer to the rest than was the case in the 1960s. We were poorer then but we distributed the proceeds more equitably.The change over the past 40-50 years didn't inevitably have to happen. It was a political choice.My argument is not that we should chuck away all the improvements of the last half century. I just want them more evenly spread.Combine the best of both. The overall wealth of today with the equitable spirit we had in the 1960s.Do you disagree with that?No I don't, so why do so many of you knock the 60s? We won the World Cup, had zero unemployment, and working class pleasures were cheap. What was there not to like?I’ve not seen anybody knock the 60’s SS. As I’ve said twice before, the OP referred to the 80’s and 90’s. You brought up the 60’s. The point that’s being made is that many aspects of life in the UK have improved over the past 30-40 years. The statistical comparison showed that murder rates in 1967 and 2015 weren’t too different.
I couldn't prove it even if I wanted to. This is what we hit on earlier. Somethings can't be proved by links because they don't always exist. So, I reckon you'll have to continue shitting in my shoe and I'll carry on pissing in your Bovril.Not long to go now anyway!
Quote from: Herbert Anchovy on December 04, 2019, 07:54:16 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on December 04, 2019, 06:56:39 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on December 04, 2019, 06:30:57 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on December 04, 2019, 04:01:39 pmRight guys, I've been giving this some thought and have realised how deeply paradoxical this whole thing is. For most of the 1960s we were under the rule of Harold Wilson's Labour Government, and you lot say those times were sh*te. For the last 9 years we've been under the rule of the Tories, and you say times are better now than they've ever been; richer, more peaceful, more tolerant. Can you see where this is going?So come on guys, what's it to be? Are you having your cake or eating it?It's not hard SS.There is a general trend towards improvement.In health standards. In educational standards. In housing standards. In environmental standards. In the quality of cars and communications. In efficient wealth production through productivity improvements.Much of that is driven by technical improvement. The internet would have been developed whether Thatcher or Kinnock was PM in the 1980s.The political question is whether the proceeds of those improvements have been managed sensibly and fairly.It is an unarguable fact that today, after 40 years of a more or less market-dominated political environment, far, FAR more proceeds of that improvement go to the richest and far fewer to the rest than was the case in the 1960s. We were poorer then but we distributed the proceeds more equitably.The change over the past 40-50 years didn't inevitably have to happen. It was a political choice.My argument is not that we should chuck away all the improvements of the last half century. I just want them more evenly spread.Combine the best of both. The overall wealth of today with the equitable spirit we had in the 1960s.Do you disagree with that?No I don't, so why do so many of you knock the 60s? We won the World Cup, had zero unemployment, and working class pleasures were cheap. What was there not to like?I’ve not seen anybody knock the 60’s SS. As I’ve said twice before, the OP referred to the 80’s and 90’s. You brought up the 60’s. The point that’s being made is that many aspects of life in the UK have improved over the past 30-40 years. The statistical comparison showed that murder rates in 1967 and 2015 weren’t too different.I wasn't just referring to this thread Herbert. There have been one or two other threads on the same subject, with references to tin baths and outside toilets.
Quote from: scawsby steve on December 04, 2019, 08:34:36 pmQuote from: Herbert Anchovy on December 04, 2019, 07:54:16 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on December 04, 2019, 06:56:39 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on December 04, 2019, 06:30:57 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on December 04, 2019, 04:01:39 pmRight guys, I've been giving this some thought and have realised how deeply paradoxical this whole thing is. For most of the 1960s we were under the rule of Harold Wilson's Labour Government, and you lot say those times were sh*te. For the last 9 years we've been under the rule of the Tories, and you say times are better now than they've ever been; richer, more peaceful, more tolerant. Can you see where this is going?So come on guys, what's it to be? Are you having your cake or eating it?It's not hard SS.There is a general trend towards improvement.In health standards. In educational standards. In housing standards. In environmental standards. In the quality of cars and communications. In efficient wealth production through productivity improvements.Much of that is driven by technical improvement. The internet would have been developed whether Thatcher or Kinnock was PM in the 1980s.The political question is whether the proceeds of those improvements have been managed sensibly and fairly.It is an unarguable fact that today, after 40 years of a more or less market-dominated political environment, far, FAR more proceeds of that improvement go to the richest and far fewer to the rest than was the case in the 1960s. We were poorer then but we distributed the proceeds more equitably.The change over the past 40-50 years didn't inevitably have to happen. It was a political choice.My argument is not that we should chuck away all the improvements of the last half century. I just want them more evenly spread.Combine the best of both. The overall wealth of today with the equitable spirit we had in the 1960s.Do you disagree with that?No I don't, so why do so many of you knock the 60s? We won the World Cup, had zero unemployment, and working class pleasures were cheap. What was there not to like?I’ve not seen anybody knock the 60’s SS. As I’ve said twice before, the OP referred to the 80’s and 90’s. You brought up the 60’s. The point that’s being made is that many aspects of life in the UK have improved over the past 30-40 years. The statistical comparison showed that murder rates in 1967 and 2015 weren’t too different.I wasn't just referring to this thread Herbert. There have been one or two other threads on the same subject, with references to tin baths and outside toilets.I remember that discussion SS and think it was me who brought up the example of outside toilets among others. But it was a discussion nothing more as far as I was concerned, certainly not knocking the 60s. So, there you go twisting the facts once again. You'd make a fully fledged Tory if you could up your game.
SS.There WERE tin baths and outside toilets in Denaby in 1975. Fact. Whether you like it or not.
Twist & Shout SS, you're doing it again. You're just plain wrong trying to make out that giving examples of conditions that existed in the 60s is knocking it. You're being f**king ridiculous.
Pies.Precisely.I'm staying a fact. That is value free. There WERE tin baths and outside toilets in Denaby in 1975. People might very well interpret that as meaning that life wasn't all that good in the 1960s, but simply stating that fact is not in itself knocking anything.
It's just another fact to put into the discussion SS.Crude racism was endemic in popular culture in the 1960s and early 70s, and tolerated compared to today.Just a fact.
Quote from: i_ateallthepies on December 05, 2019, 08:03:42 pmTwist & Shout SS, you're doing it again. You're just plain wrong trying to make out that giving examples of conditions that existed in the 60s is knocking it. You're being f**king ridiculous.Examples of conditions? Don't you mean examples of bad conditions, as BST was alluding to? Either you're twisting words, or you don't understand semantics. I think the latter is the most likely, if you can't see that some people on here have knocked the 60s.I'd give this up if I were you, because you're starting to embarrass yourself.