Looking like a perfect storm for Labour

[BillyStubbsTears]

Losing votes to Farage in the post-industrial North and LD/Greens in other areas.

Doesn't give me any pleasure to say but I've earned Labour friends about this for 2 years. In 2017, they convinced themselves that people voted FOR Corbyn. It was never that. They voted AGAINST May and there was no alternative but Labour. And Brexit was neutralised as an issue. So both Leave and Remain folk supported Labour.

It was obvious once Labour had to choose a policy on Brexit that they were going to have a hard time holding onto big numbers of supporters. Because the people who voted Labour in 2017 weren't committed Labour supporters. Give them an option (be it LD or Farage) and it was obvious that large numbers were going to defect.

Corbyn's spectacular achievement appears to be that he's lost support in BOTH directions.

But I'm sure it'll be Laura Kuenssberg's fault in the morning. I've already had one Corbynista mate text me saying it's all because of the media hatchet job.

[SydneyRover]

The media in general are not a friend of the left and certainly not in this campaign, I'm hoping that we won't be hearing about how those with fb accounts were manipulated because I don't know how it can be stopped with any goverment prepared to accept it.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Sydney.

That's no good. That was a given. It's why Labour HAS to have a superb leader. Especially if it is trying to push a left agenda.

If Labour consoles itself by blaming the media, we are f**ked.

[bpoolrover]

The labour chair just said that if you ignore democracy with brexit then you won’t win, people don’t want a second referendum they don’t want to rip article 50 up

[SydneyRover]

that's fairly obvious but exit poll info will make interesting reading i think

correction: will STILL make interesting reading i think

[selby]

  Syd, Billy, being serious now, the people flying about in their flash cars, back to their nice house on the private estate, don't feel like labour people anymore.

[RoversAlias]

I feel the media agenda should be considered a factor on certain sectors of the population, but it isn't in the top three reasons why Labour has fallen off a cliff tonight.

I think Brexit has dominated the conversation and caused an awful lot of this. I think Jeremy Corbyn just didn't win enough widespread confidence. And I think that there are just too many deep divides within the party in terms of ideological direction. It is going to be very interesting to see where that party goes from here to try and claw back credibility and set itself up for success in the future.

[selby]

  They could be heading for a long slide to join the Liberals as a small party with big ambitions.  By the way what happened to the young ones?

[SydneyRover]

You may be right selby, the only growth we've seen is foodbanks largely uncontested by the population and it's not unreasonable to think that a return to the workhouse is on the cards as we've already seen attempts to force people to work for the dole, having a specialised buildings to do that in is a just another step.

Right wing policy (the worst of it) tends to be mirrored by Australia and the UK, here you are forced to work for your pittance. Newsstart as it's called is 45% of the minimum wage.

[Pancho Regan]

Maybe we needed Labour to get a thrashing in this election to shake them to their senses as a party and to realise that Corbyn was never going to be acceptable to the majority of the electorate.

One man I feel very sorry for this morning (apart from myself) is John McDonnell.

Throughout the campaign, in fact throughout the shitstorm of the last 3 years or more, I think he has talked a great deal of sense and handled himself with dignity. He also clearly has a social conscience and seems to be a very honest and genuine guy.

Corbyn also cares passionately about those who are not as fortunate as others, but he is simply way past his sell-by date and is certainly not a leader for our times.
He should announce his resignation now, but Labour should not dive headlong into a snap leadership election.
As a party they need to truly and thoroughly analyse where they stand and how they can return to being a party which has a broader appeal.

As a Labour voter I'm shell-shocked this morning, but I take two positives from this result.

First, we needed clarity as a nation. A hung Parliament would have been a dreadful outcome.
Second, this terrible mauling for Labour must surely galvanise them into a period of real soul-searching.

[Ldr]

Possibly something to take on board.

https://twitter.com/James_Sp_/status/1205283498770288640?s=19

[rtid88]

The only positive I'm taking from this is that Labour must and will come back stronger... For me Dan Jarvis needs to be instated as Labour Leader as soon as possible. He comes across as a true leader of men and would instil some pride back into the Labour Party.
Hopefully 5 years won't be long enough a period of time for Boris to completely sell of the NHS and some of us might still have some money left...

[BillyStubbsTears]

Possibly something to take on board.

https://twitter.com/James_Sp_/status/1205283498770288640?s=19

Been saying that for four years now. The party was taken over by a cult. This was the inevitable outcome.

The only way back is if they learn some humility and realise that 100% of what 20% want doesn't mean you win at politics.

[BillyStubbsTears]

There is a glimmer of hope for Labour for the future.

For all the gains the Tories made across the North, they didn't do it by taking huge numbers of votes from Labour. Labour lost votes to the LDs and Greens and, more than anyone, to the Brexit Party.

The Tories still aren't popular in the North. People haven't voted FOR them, they've voted AGAINST what Labour offered.

The next election will take place in very different circumstances. The BP won't be around. The Tories will own the next 5 years of grinding depressed economic growth and they will have no-one to blame it on.

Labour has to make the right leader choice and reconnect with the North. It needs to be humble and listen. If it does, it can regain everything it lost yesterday and more.

[IDM]

Couldn’t agree more bst..

[wilts rover]

It was always going to be difficult for Labour going into an election without Brexit being resolved. The party is dominated by people who want to remain in the EU which alienated a lot of the leave voters in the north. As several on them on here have been saying for a while.

Would Labour have done as badly if Johnson had been allowed to get his WA through first - and all the problems that will come with it - or ammended it for a 2nd referendum - we shall never know but I don't think so.

Personally I think the next Labour leader should be female. It's embarrassing that the Tory's have had two female leaders and the party of equality have yet to have had one.

[scawsby steve]

It was always going to be difficult for Labour going into an election without Brexit being resolved. The party is dominated by people who want to remain in the EU which alienated a lot of the leave voters in the north. As several on them on here have been saying for a while.

Would Labour have done as badly if Johnson had been allowed to get his WA through first - and all the problems that will come with it - or ammended it for a 2nd referendum - we shall never know but I don't think so.

Personally I think the next Labour leader should be female. It's embarrassing that the Tory's have had two female leaders and the party of equality have yet to have had one.

Exactly what I said on another thread Wilts. Dawn Butler?

[Bentley Bullet]

Jess Phillips is different class to Corbyn in the way she comes over as a trustworthy candidate.

[Draytonian III]

She’s the cousin in law to Kevin Philips , didn’t know there was such a thing.
This time next year the only time Jeremy Corbyn will be in the public eye is in Dictionary Corner on Countdown. Good riddance to the horrible little man, he was such a good thing for the Conservatives .

[Campsall rover]

 

It was always going to be difficult for Labour going into an election without Brexit being resolved. The party is dominated by people who want to remain in the EU which alienated a lot of the leave voters in the north. As several on them on here have been saying for a while.

Would Labour have done as badly if Johnson had been allowed to get his WA through first - and all the problems that will come with it - or ammended it for a 2nd referendum - we shall never know but I don't think so.

Personally I think the next Labour leader should be female. It's embarrassing that the Tory's have had two female leaders and the party of equality have yet to have had one.

Party of equality!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That’s why tens of thousands of Labour voters voted Conservative last night.
It’s a myth. I don’t believe the Labour Party have done much at all for people they portray to represent for a very long time.
They trusted Boris with the country above their own Labour candidates.
Party of the people. 1970’s rhetoric. That’s why they got hammered as they had a leader and a shadow chancellor who were from a bygone era. The public saw that and snubbed them big time.
Believe me Brexit just exacerbated their demise.

[wilts rover]

It was always going to be difficult for Labour going into an election without Brexit being resolved. The party is dominated by people who want to remain in the EU which alienated a lot of the leave voters in the north. As several on them on here have been saying for a while.

Would Labour have done as badly if Johnson had been allowed to get his WA through first - and all the problems that will come with it - or ammended it for a 2nd referendum - we shall never know but I don't think so.

Personally I think the next Labour leader should be female. It's embarrassing that the Tory's have had two female leaders and the party of equality have yet to have had one.

Party of equality!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That’s why tens of thousands of Labour voters voted Conservative last night.
It’s a myth. I don’t believe the Labour Party have done much at all for people they portray to represent for a very long time.
They trusted Boris with the country above their own Labour candidates.
Party of the people. 1970’s rhetoric. That’s why they got hammered as they had a leader and a shadow chancellor who were from a bygone era. The public saw that and snubbed them big time.
Believe me Brexit just exacerbated their demise.

We have just had the worst waiting A&E waiting times ever - every hospital in the country failed to meet its target. Thanks for that Campsall - thats what you voted for.

[Campsall rover]

It was always going to be difficult for Labour going into an election without Brexit being resolved. The party is dominated by people who want to remain in the EU which alienated a lot of the leave voters in the north. As several on them on here have been saying for a while.

Would Labour have done as badly if Johnson had been allowed to get his WA through first - and all the problems that will come with it - or ammended it for a 2nd referendum - we shall never know but I don't think so.

Personally I think the next Labour leader should be female. It's embarrassing that the Tory's have had two female leaders and the party of equality have yet to have had one.

Party of equality!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That’s why tens of thousands of Labour voters voted Conservative last night.
It’s a myth. I don’t believe the Labour Party have done much at all for people they portray to represent for a very long time.
They trusted Boris with the country above their own Labour candidates.
Party of the people. 1970’s rhetoric. That’s why they got hammered as they had a leader and a shadow chancellor who were from a bygone era. The public saw that and snubbed them big time.
Believe me Brexit just exacerbated their demise.

We have just had the worst waiting A&E waiting times ever - every hospital in the country failed to meet its target. Thanks for that Campsall - thats what you voted for.

Oh it’s my fault then is it?
Well it looks as though millions voted for it. We are all so so stupid aren’t we.

[bpoolrover]

See there are protests in London against boris now, maybe general election 2 anyone?

[drfchound]

See there are protests in London against boris now, maybe general election 2 anyone?

But surely, the people have voted.
Don’t we live in a democratic country.
Respect the outcome.

[bpoolrover]

You would like to think so hound

[Ldr]

It was always going to be difficult for Labour going into an election without Brexit being resolved. The party is dominated by people who want to remain in the EU which alienated a lot of the leave voters in the north. As several on them on here have been saying for a while.

Would Labour have done as badly if Johnson had been allowed to get his WA through first - and all the problems that will come with it - or ammended it for a 2nd referendum - we shall never know but I don't think so.

Personally I think the next Labour leader should be female. It's embarrassing that the Tory's have had two female leaders and the party of equality have yet to have had one.

Party of equality!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That’s why tens of thousands of Labour voters voted Conservative last night.
It’s a myth. I don’t believe the Labour Party have done much at all for people they portray to represent for a very long time.
They trusted Boris with the country above their own Labour candidates.
Party of the people. 1970’s rhetoric. That’s why they got hammered as they had a leader and a shadow chancellor who were from a bygone era. The public saw that and snubbed them big time.
Believe me Brexit just exacerbated their demise.

We have just had the worst waiting A&E waiting times ever - every hospital in the country failed to meet its target. Thanks for that Campsall - thats what you voted for.

As someone who is involved in the monitoring of nhs targets, the 4 hour a and e is meaningless. Those who need urgent treatment get it. The masses who descend on ae departments this time of year with minor ailments tend not to anytime fast. It's the wrong place for them, they get seen but not prioritised over needier patients. Its arbitrary b*llocks

[drfchound]

It was always going to be difficult for Labour going into an election without Brexit being resolved. The party is dominated by people who want to remain in the EU which alienated a lot of the leave voters in the north. As several on them on here have been saying for a while.

Would Labour have done as badly if Johnson had been allowed to get his WA through first - and all the problems that will come with it - or ammended it for a 2nd referendum - we shall never know but I don't think so.

Personally I think the next Labour leader should be female. It's embarrassing that the Tory's have had two female leaders and the party of equality have yet to have had one.

Party of equality!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That’s why tens of thousands of Labour voters voted Conservative last night.
It’s a myth. I don’t believe the Labour Party have done much at all for people they portray to represent for a very long time.
They trusted Boris with the country above their own Labour candidates.
Party of the people. 1970’s rhetoric. That’s why they got hammered as they had a leader and a shadow chancellor who were from a bygone era. The public saw that and snubbed them big time.
Believe me Brexit just exacerbated their demise.

We have just had the worst waiting A&E waiting times ever - every hospital in the country failed to meet its target. Thanks for that Campsall - thats what you voted for.

As someone who is involved in the monitoring of nhs targets, the 4 hour a and e is meaningless. Those who need urgent treatment get it. The masses who descend on ae departments this time of year with minor ailments tend not to anytime fast. It's the wrong place for them, they get seen but not prioritised over needier patients. Its arbitrary b*llocks

Good to get an accurate perspective from someone experiencing the truth ldr.

[SydneyRover]

Or it shows a lack of faciilty to be able to get treatment elsewhere

[drfchound]

I would prefer to take the word of an experienced NHS professional who is instrumental in that particular area.

[SydneyRover]

When I hear from one I may listen too