Coronavirus

[BillyStubbsTears]

Those of you who support Cummings. They are laughing at you. Literally.

https://mobile.twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1265218040251256832

Is self-respect in second place to supporting your side these days?

[SydneyRover]

That is ****ing rediculous Gove is a pratt

[Filo]

Those of you who support Cummings. They are laughing at you. Literally.

https://mobile.twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1265218040251256832

Is self-respect in second place to supporting your side these days?

Horrible excuse of a human being

[IDM]

Found this on that twitter link..

[SydneyRover]

The veteran Tory MP Sir Roger Gale said the Conservative backbench 1922 Committee should make it clear to Boris Johnson that Dominic Cummings should go.


Sir Roger Gale MP
@SirRogerGale
I want the 1922 Committee to put pressure on the PM. They need to say that this has gone too far and there is huge public backlash in what has happened & the way it has been handled. The time I think, has come for Mr Cummings to resign or for the PM to dispense of his services.

[SydneyRover]

During that press conference on Monday, Dominic Cummings claimed that he had been worried about a pandemic for some time and that last year he had written about the possible threat of coronaviruses and the urgent need for planning.

Jens Wiechers, a data scientist, put Cummings’ blog post mentioning coronaviruses through the Wayback Machine – a digital archive – and found that the relevant paragraphs had been added on 14 April – the day Cummings returned to work after the trip to Durham.

[Filo]

Gove is our version of Chemical Ali 😀

[BillyStubbsTears]

During that press conference on Monday, Dominic Cummings claimed that he had been worried about a pandemic for some time and that last year he had written about the possible threat of coronaviruses and the urgent need for planning.

Jens Wiechers, a data scientist, put Cummings’ blog post mentioning coronaviruses through the Wayback Machine – a digital archive – and found that the relevant paragraphs had been added on 14 April – the day Cummings returned to work after the trip to Durham.

I mentioned that last night. Interesting take on it here.

https://mobile.twitter.com/paulmasonnews/status/1265223508692533251

[SydneyRover]

Sorry I missed that it takes me almost an hour to do all my homework from the forum when I get up.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Not having a go Sydney. It's hard keeping up with all this.

One thing has just popped up about this re-writing of the blog to make him look all-knowing.

He said yesterday that he decided to drive back from Durham to London on 13 April because he was so very, very important to the Govt's work on keeping us all safe. Turns out the very first thing he did on returning was to edit his blog.

And then he lied about his blog yesterday, which, as this astute observer implies, means we have to assume he is a liar and treat his whole story in that light.

https://mobile.twitter.com/henrymance/status/1265172965420924929

[IDM]

So if it is now generally understood that there can be exceptions to the lockdown rules etc, that begs two pertinent questions.

Why wasn’t this more widely publicised in the first place, and,

Bearing in mind that it is not practical to define every possible exceptional circumstance, who should we be able to ask of our individual cases present as an exception.?  The police.? The NHS.? Our local MP.? 

Or does that mean that we ALL get to use our own interpretation.? 

That had now opened a massive can of worms - how can there be any credibility at all on what the government is telling us to do.?

[SydneyRover]

''Not having a go Sydney. It's hard keeping up with all this''

and I didn't take like you did, as they say it's just the way we talk 

[IDM]

And as for all shops being allowed to open from 15 June, will the current lockdown policies on movement be relaxed to allow such movement for customers to use those shops.?

[MachoMadness]

Those of you who support Cummings. They are laughing at you. Literally.

https://mobile.twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1265218040251256832

Is self-respect in second place to supporting your side these days?

That's a new one. A politician realises mid-lie that he's dropping himself in it so he just gives up and doesn't bother to finish the lie. Peak Gove, that.

[SydneyRover]

Guardian comment

''The statement by Cummings that he predicted WWI and WWII has been called into question by some Tory MPs''

[sha66y]

Oh my Lord....what’s been happening ?
Far too much to read on here,.... gonna have to go check out some beauty sites until the world gets back on a new axis....( nudga’s ideas have a lot of good flavours...)

I’m gone until 01/01/2021

[BillyStubbsTears]

I see Cummings has admitted he editrd the blog. So he's effectively admitted that he lied yesterday in saying "Only last year I wrote explicitly about coronaviruses."

There's a pretty solid guide. If you're going to lie, make sure it's rock solid. But Dominic won't do that. He's so in awe of his own intellect, he assumes there's no-one smart out there who can investigate shit.

In fact, Dominic is actually SO smart, it looks like he's never heard of the WayBackMachine.

[ian1980]

Those of you who support Cummings. They are laughing at you. Literally.

https://mobile.twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1265218040251256832

Is self-respect in second place to supporting your side these days?

That's a new one. A politician realises mid-lie that he's dropping himself in it so he just gives up and doesn't bother to finish the lie. Peak Gove, that.

It actually dawned on him, in the middle of a sentence, how stupid what he was saying sounded and that it would be even more ridiculous to say anything further along the same lines of what Dominic Cummings said.

[Sprotyrover]

I condone his trip back to Durham once there e should have remained with his wife and kids whatever happened next is unconscionable and he should be dismissed.

[IDM]

Something that annoys me is the main defence his supporters come up with that he was doing what anyone would do to safeguard his family.  Of course, we would all want to safeguard our families but:

He exploited a loophole few knew about (by relocating)..

Much of the population didn’t, followed the rules, and have suffered severe distress as a result..

He can’t seem to put the two things together..

[wilts rover]

From- The truth about why Cumming's hasn't gone, by Marina Hyde

...The thing about playing to angry mobs is that eventually they get angry with you.

For all the draw of the Cummings character, though, the last few days are ultimately a terrible story about Johnson. “Wash your hands, wash your hands” the prime minister kept gibbering last night. He’s certainly washing his hands of it all. All populists secretly hate their people, and Johnson is no different. But that “secretly” is key. His decision to keep Cummings brings his contempt for those he is meant to serve into the open. He would rather endanger their lives by compromising a vital public health strategy.

But why? The thing about Johnson is that he desperately wanted to become prime minister, and he desperately wanted to have been prime minister. It’s just the bit in between he struggles with. With Othello, it was jealousy. Macbeth: ambition. Lear: pride. Johnson: career liar, hollowed out by narcissism, who not even his friends would joke was motivated by public service. I guess it’s the little things that trip you up, isn’t it?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/26/dominic-cummings-boris-johnson-terrified-sack-him

[Not Now Kato]

I condone his trip back to Durham once there e should have remained with his wife and kids whatever happened next is unconscionable and he should be dismissed.

How can you condone Cummings putting a young child at risk by confining him in a car with someone, (possibly two people), with suspected coronavirus for over five hours whilst further risking the public by taking that virus with him to an, (at the time), lowly infected area; and risking the lives and health of other people en-route should he have broken down or had an accident on the way needing assistance from passers by, car recovery, medical services etc?
 
He didn't go to Durham so that family would be close at hand to help if he and his wife did have coronavirus, as if he did he would have got one of his close at hand family to take the child to hospital; not driven his wife and child there himself and then drove back to pick them up later.  There are more holes in his story than in a block of Swiss cheese!
 
What he did, from start to finish was reprehensible.  He should have stayed home, just like other people less self centred than himself did!

[BillyStubbsTears]

"The thing about Johnson is that he desperately wanted to become prime minister, and he desperately wanted to have been prime minister. It’s just the bit in between he struggles."

Brilliant. And so, so true.

[Copps is Magic]

Its also the bit inbetween his legs that he struggles with.

[Filo]

The bastion of honesty Matt Hancock today 😀

[Filo]

Hancock basically told Peston to f**k off, arrogant and rude

[selby]

It has gone past what Cummings did or didn't do, opinions are split on the subject by the political divide and the Liberal elite who react belittle and ridicule the government and it's members at every opportunity and becomes a trial by media.
  It was the same with the Brexit vote and went a long way to entrenching the leave vote.
  The same is happening with this situation mainly because of the person, not the situation, which is no different and not as bad a reason as Kinnock and the Labour MP who attended a mass funeral which was definitely against the law.
  So what happens now, I don't think the government are minded or can afford to let the media scrum win this one, and people will dig their heals in and are becoming more entrenched, some will pay the price at a later date

[BillyStubbsTears]

Selby

Yesterday Cummings:

- Admitted at least three breaches of the "Stay at Home" order.
- Told us he is so important that he could vanish from his job without telling anyone.
- Told at least one 100% demonstrable lie (he hadn't written explicitly about the threat of coronavirus last year).
- Told another story that flatly contradicted what his own wife has written and published (He says he drove to the hospital on 2 April; she says he was bed-ridden and unable to move for ten days from 29 March).
- Came up with the most batshit story about why he was seen at a well-known beauty spot since Scooby Doo. Even Michael Gove was pissing himself laughing when trying to defend that story this morning.

But yeah. It's all the fault of the Liberal Elite...

Do you have any self-respect left? Or is your default position that you can be lied to and treated with contempt, but it's alright because they are on your side?

[wilts rover]

The Liberal elite!!!!!

You are defending someone with conoravirus who drove 250 miles across the country spreading it so he could spend lockdown wandering round his family's country estate!

Pathetic.

[IDM]

Selby, the wider issue is that public trust in the government’s guidelines - because Cummings sticks to a loophole which hardly anyone knew about and so acted differently - is declining by the day or even by the hour.

It’s got f**k all to do with brexit.  It even transcends party allegiances

This isn’t even about a father “instinctively” looking after his family, it’s about the rest of the families in the population.

If, and this is if as I have no idea if this did happen, Cummings did have a meeting with that industry at Barnard Castle, what would your reaction be.?