Coronavirus

[IDM]

On another matter - was there any development with the meeting of all the other party leaders.?

[Copps is Magic]

You'd have to drink a fair few shandys to imagine the telegraph, daily mail, and back bench tory MPs as part of the 'liberal elite'.

[i_ateallthepies]

Selby, the wider issue is that public trust in the government’s guidelines - because Cummings sticks to a loophole which hardly anyone knew about and so acted differently - is declining by the day or even by the hour.

It’s got f**k all to do with brexit.  It even transcends party allegiances

This isn’t even about a father “instinctively” looking after his family, it’s about the rest of the families in the population.

If, and this is if as I have no idea if this did happen, Cummings did have a meeting with that industry at Barnard Castle, what would your reaction be.?

IDM, I've read a couple of your posts now that speak of this loophole as if it actually does exist.  Genuine question, have you seen it or are you just trusting Cummings' word?

[wilts rover]

Well it seems the 'Liberal Elite' in Durham Police having concluded initial enquiries believe that what Cummings did is worthy of a formal investigation.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/may/26/durham-police-open-investigation-into-dominic-cummings

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Hancock basically told Peston to f**k off, arrogant and rude

I think Peston believes his own hype a little, he reminds me of the guy who starts talking on a conference call and everyone else wants them to shut up.

[Jonathan]

On another matter - was there any development with the meeting of all the other party leaders.?

I think a letter has been sent demanding Cummings is removed. Labour have, wisely in my opinion, not put their name to it.

I’m not comfortable with calling for him to be sacked. My personal view is that his position has become untenable. But it’s up to the Prime Minister to decide what he wants to do about it, and frankly it’s too late for sacking him to have any discernible impact on the message. The damage has already been done to that. It’s now up to the Prime Minister to find a credible way out of this situation which is of his own making. I hope he can do it in the national interest, but given the hole he’s dug I’m not sure how anyone can advise him on that now. I suppose that’s what he’s paying Cummings for.

[IDM]

Selby, the wider issue is that public trust in the government’s guidelines - because Cummings sticks to a loophole which hardly anyone knew about and so acted differently - is declining by the day or even by the hour.

It’s got f**k all to do with brexit.  It even transcends party allegiances

This isn’t even about a father “instinctively” looking after his family, it’s about the rest of the families in the population.

If, and this is if as I have no idea if this did happen, Cummings did have a meeting with that industry at Barnard Castle, what would your reaction be.?

IDM, I've read a couple of your posts now that speak of this loophole as if it actually does exist.  Genuine question, have you seen it or are you just trusting Cummings' word?

Do I trust his word that there is a loophole, or exceptions.?

Yes and no.   Clearly there are potential exceptions to the rules/guidance, as stated the other day by Dr Harries, but it would not be practical to list them all I don’t think.. however, when the constant message being drummed home was about staying at home, the fact that exceptions may be possible, was not known amongst the general population.

Cummings is claiming he acted within the rules, and it appears most of the cabinet backs this.  As to whether his (claimed) exceptional circumstances did fit, I have no idea.

But the bigger picture is that the vast majority had no idea about exceptions, or if they did, what constitutes an exception.

[Glyn_Wigley]

On another matter - was there any development with the meeting of all the other party leaders.?

I think a letter has been sent demanding Cummings is removed. Labour have, wisely in my opinion, not put their name to it.

I’m not comfortable with calling for him to be sacked. My personal view is that his position has become untenable. But it’s up to the Prime Minister to decide what he wants to do about it, and frankly it’s too late for sacking him to have any discernible impact on the message. The damage has already been done to that. It’s now up to the Prime Minister to find a credible way out of this situation which is of his own making. I hope he can do it in the national interest, but given the hole he’s dug I’m not sure how anyone can advise him on that now. I suppose that’s what he’s paying Cummings for.

I think Labour know that Cummings is now fully toxic and the longer the public see him standing next to Johnson the more it works in their favour.

[tyke1962]

On another matter - was there any development with the meeting of all the other party leaders.?

I think a letter has been sent demanding Cummings is removed. Labour have, wisely in my opinion, not put their name to it.

I’m not comfortable with calling for him to be sacked. My personal view is that his position has become untenable. But it’s up to the Prime Minister to decide what he wants to do about it, and frankly it’s too late for sacking him to have any discernible impact on the message. The damage has already been done to that. It’s now up to the Prime Minister to find a credible way out of this situation which is of his own making. I hope he can do it in the national interest, but given the hole he’s dug I’m not sure how anyone can advise him on that now. I suppose that’s what he’s paying Cummings for.

I think Labour know that Cummings is now fully toxic and the longer the public see him standing next to Johnson the more it works in their favour.

Correct Glyn .

I'm for him staying on myself , why interrupt the enemy when he's making mistakes , shrewd move Mr Starmer .

Cummings is doing a terrific job with the Tory governments ratings .

Crack on lad .

 

[wilts rover]

On another matter - was there any development with the meeting of all the other party leaders.?

I think a letter has been sent demanding Cummings is removed. Labour have, wisely in my opinion, not put their name to it.

I’m not comfortable with calling for him to be sacked. My personal view is that his position has become untenable. But it’s up to the Prime Minister to decide what he wants to do about it, and frankly it’s too late for sacking him to have any discernible impact on the message. The damage has already been done to that. It’s now up to the Prime Minister to find a credible way out of this situation which is of his own making. I hope he can do it in the national interest, but given the hole he’s dug I’m not sure how anyone can advise him on that now. I suppose that’s what he’s paying Cummings for.

I think Labour know that Cummings is now fully toxic and the longer the public see him standing next to Johnson the more it works in their favour.

I would like people to think I was intelligent by quoting;

as Napoleon said 'Never interrupt you enemy when they are making a mistake'

but as I am not clever enough to amend blog posts and pretend I didn't - I nicked it from someone else today.

[ravenrover]

I emailed our MP today Mark Spencer Chief Whip, regarding Cummings and asked for his comments
The following appears still, on his automated response

If you think you might have coronavirus or you've been in close contact with someone who has it:

·     stay at home and avoid close contact with other people

·     do not go to a GP surgery, pharmacy or hospital

·     use the NHS 111 online coronavirus service to find out what to do next

[BillyStubbsTears]

So the Cummings thing isn't going away anytime soon then.

https://mobile.twitter.com/PaddyMcGuinness/status/1265314862491631617

[IDM]

I emailed our MP today Mark Spencer Chief Whip, regarding Cummings and asked for his comments
The following appears still, on his automated response

If you think you might have coronavirus or you've been in close contact with someone who has it:

·     stay at home and avoid close contact with other people

·     do not go to a GP surgery, pharmacy or hospital

·     use the NHS 111 online coronavirus service to find out what to do next

I got a lengthy, personalised and detailed reply from my local MP yesterday, within the hour of mine to her.  I was surprised at the speed and detail of her reply..

[IDM]

So the Cummings thing isn't going away anytime soon then.

https://mobile.twitter.com/PaddyMcGuinness/status/1265314862491631617

That is f**king funny.. everyone should share it.

[Superspy]

Some of the stuff coming up in "other tweets" is amazing as well. These in particular...

https://mobile.twitter.com/Simon_Pegg/status/1264966247894126597
https://mobile.twitter.com/frankieboyle/status/1264944161159098368
https://mobile.twitter.com/josierones/status/1265307403962273794
https://mobile.twitter.com/NotAgainBen/status/1264956756792410113
https://mobile.twitter.com/idilsukan/status/1264963194357010432

And I think this one nails the feeling of almost everybody who has heard this BS so far....

https://mobile.twitter.com/acatherwoodnews/status/1264970281371734022

[BillyStubbsTears]

It just gets better by the minute. This one is a gem.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Noname06401912/status/1265351462168780801

[Jonathan]

I’d say right now I’m a combination of:

- amused by the memes
- unsurprised by the incompetence
- unsympathetic to the loss of political capital
- depressed by the incompetence
- worried by the impact on the public health message
- appalled at the baying mob outside his house

[wilts rover]

This is by far the best:

https://mobile.twitter.com/nicholaswatt/status/1265359341688950791

[drfchound]

I’d say right now I’m a combination of:

- amused by the memes
- unsurprised by the incompetence
- unsympathetic to the loss of political capital
- depressed by the incompetence
- worried by the impact on the public health message
- appalled at the baying mob outside his house

Jonathan, I am so glad you wrote that last line.
It shows your human understanding side.

No one has mentioned the lack of social distancing by the baying mob.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I’d say right now I’m a combination of:

- amused by the memes
- unsurprised by the incompetence
- unsympathetic to the loss of political capital
- depressed by the incompetence
- worried by the impact on the public health message
- appalled at the baying mob outside his house

Jonathan.

I certainly agree on the last one.

That said, Cummings has destroyed several people's careers with quite vitriolic on line attacks.

I don't like the mob thing at all, but there is a sense of karma about it.

[tommy toes]

Selby
It's not the media scum, it's ordinary people keeping this going.
People like Bob on here who wasn't able to see his parent before they died.
And thousands of other tragic stories.
Cummings rode roughshod over the rules and has lied and refused to apologise.
The man's a disgrace and so is his puppet.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Cummings has been responsible as much as anyone for the vicious, nasty tribalism that has engulfed our politics over the past decade.

He encouraged it because he thought he could direct it. But what goes around tends to come around and take a big bite out of your arse.

I do not in any case condone a mob outside his house, but anyone who tries to paint him as an innocent victim either knows nothing of his back story, or is spinning you a line.

[IDM]

What about the lack of social distancing by Cummings and his driver.?  Within 2m of each other in the car as as he left the other day, no masks.

He is a high profile individual who has, inadvertently or not, generated a huge amount of media interest.

Seeing the media scrum outside his house is uncomfortable for sure, but let’s not forget he brought this on himself.

[Jonathan]

I’d say right now I’m a combination of:

- amused by the memes
- unsurprised by the incompetence
- unsympathetic to the loss of political capital
- depressed by the incompetence
- worried by the impact on the public health message
- appalled at the baying mob outside his house

Jonathan.

I certainly agree on the last one.

That said, Cummings has destroyed several people's careers with quite vitriolic on line attacks.

I don't like the mob thing at all, but there is a sense of karma about it.

I can’t disagree with that. He’s a difficult character to sympathise with, I don’t like him at all, I just don’t like seeing anyone being hounded and threatened.

[drfchound]

What about the lack of social distancing by Cummings and his driver.?  Within 2m of each other in the car as as he left the other day, no masks.

He is a high profile individual who has, inadvertently or not, generated a huge amount of media interest.

Seeing the media scrum outside his house is uncomfortable for sure, but let’s not forget he brought this on himself.

Ah well, I guess it is ok then for the media lads. (And I know what you will say next).

[drfchound]

Selby
It's not the media scum, it's ordinary people keeping this going.
People like Bob on here who wasn't able to see his parent before they died.
And thousands of other tragic stories.
Cummings rode roughshod over the rules and has lied and refused to apologise.
The man's a disgrace and so is his puppet.

TT, read Selby’s post again, he didn’t say media SCUM.

[IDM]

In general, I find the media scrum thing distasteful regardless of the subject.

I can understand it, doesn’t mean I have to like it.

There, was that what you expected.?

Can you tell me tomorrow’s lotto numbers next.?

[drfchound]

I’m keeping those secret mate. 🤔💫

[Donnywolf]

So the Cummings thing isn't going away anytime soon then.

https://mobile.twitter.com/PaddyMcGuinness/status/1265314862491631617

PMSL

Guess hes going to have to wait for a Labour Govt before he becomes a "Sir"

[Donnywolf]

That could be the new way of settlng arguments on here

La la la la load of old sh*t